Championship thread 25/26! (82 Viewers)

[Matt Grimes' Beard]

We should be grateful not entitled.

Why?

You go to work (I assume), are you grateful that you get paid each month or are you entitled to it?

You buy something from amazon, are you grateful that they deliver it to you or are you entitled to it?

I'm not sure you understand what the word entitled means.

The word literally means to be awarded the title!! We win the title, we become entitled.

If you win more points than the other teams you should 100%, feel entitled.

Being entitled is not a negative, it's a product of success and people can feel it if they want.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Functionally, 5-4-1 and 3-4-3 are more or less the same formation…

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

People getting attached to scenarios usually leads to dissapointment

Look at some of the forum on Saturday getting upset about a night out

Ipswich to miss out on automatics and not go up
Leicester to get relegated
Birmingham to lose every game
Us to get crowned champions and have a massive party against Wrexham, and then go and beat them, subsequently causing them to miss out on the playoffs

The problem is, there is a chance this could all happen!

 

[Calista]

Functionally, 5-4-1 and 3-4-3 are more or less the same formation…

I can see how 3-4-3 in possession might easily drop to 5-4-1 out of possession. They're not functionally the same though??

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ipswich to miss out on automatics and not go up
Leicester to get relegated
Birmingham to lose every game
Us to get crowned champions and have a massive party against Wrexham, and then go and beat them, subsequently causing them to miss out on the playoffs

The problem is, there is a chance this could all happen!

Football’s all about having stuff like this to drool over. We only live once, so dream away!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

5-4-1 is just more cautious variant of 3-4-3. Just as 4-4-1-1 and 4-2-3-1 are basically the same shape.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I can see how 3-4-3 in possession might easily drop to 5-4-1 out of possession. They're not functionally the same though??

You’ve explained it yourself because the defensive shape for 3-4-3 is 5-4-1… Likewise, the attacking shape for 5-4-1 will be 3-4-3. Generally speaking.

The difference is literally how further forward/back the wide players are depending on the flow of the game.

 

[covcity4life]

Football’s all about having stuff like this to drool over. We only live once, so dream away!

Dreaming is fine

Crying like a bitch when it doesn't pan out is a little different though

 

[Calista]

You’ve explained it yourself because the defensive shape for 3-4-3 is 5-4-1… Likewise, the attacking shape for 5-4-1 will be 3-4-3. Generally speaking.

The difference is literally how further forward/back the wide players are depending on the flow of the game.

Yeah, my only disagreement is that they aren't functionally the same otherwise the shape wouldn't change. Semantics I suppose.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Dreaming is fine

Crying like a bitch when it doesn't pan out is a little different though

Calling people bitches! Wow. Fighting talk.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yeah, my only disagreement is that they aren't functionally the same otherwise the shape wouldn't change. Semantics I suppose.

It is semantics because the two shapes are functionally the same:
2 WBs
3 CBs
2 CMs
2 wide players
1 striker

The differences are tactical and situational. For example, wingers may drop deeper if protecting a lead to form a flatter line, vice versa if chasing a goal.

Frankly, formations are becoming less and less relevant because most systems operate v fluid shapes in attack, defence and game state.

 

[Lamps]

Yes, sorry I was looking at promotion odds which obviously includes playoffs. Changed slightly this morning but similar. Not being a betting person I'm not to up on these things. I still wouldn't be surprised if Millwall sneaked into 2nd though.

I think Ipswich will struggle because of their run of games. They've not been very good away and only have 2 home games left. They also have the hardest games remaining especially as they have Southampton away.

Millwall are a big price at 10/1 but Southampton are on an amazing run. If Millwall win all 4 games Southampton can't catch them. Southampton have the best form and Millwall have the easier games. Could go either way.

 

[David O'Day]

It is semantics because the two shapes are functionally the same:
2 WBs
3 CBs
2 CMs
2 wide players
1 striker

The differences are tactical and situational. For example, wingers may drop deeper if protecting a lead to form a flatter line, vice versa if chasing a goal.

Frankly, formations are becoming less and less relevant because most systems operate v fluid shapes in attack, defence and game state.

teams including us these days have at least 3 different shapes in possession - a build up, a progression and a final phase shape

 

[edgy]

I saw that Ipswich have only beaten Sheff Wed away from home against the bottom 10 sides.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

teams including us these days have at least 3 different shapes in possession - a build up, a progression and a final phase shape

Exactly, to that extent it’s not worth fixating too much on formations because there’s an increasing expectation that players are capable of attacking space and capable of filling in gaps across pitch.

It’s the same as when we defend, nominally, Rudoni pushed up to make it a 4-4-2 shape but we obviously don’t play 4-4-2 in possession.

 

[covcity4life]

Calling people bitches! Wow. Fighting talk.

Wasn't calling @Brighton Sky Blue one just to clarify. Was saying in general ok to dream but don't get angry when the world doesn't play out to your exact requirements

 

[Captain Dart]

I'm in 2 minds about this to be honest.

1 - it's bad to see Chansiri still holding the club to ransom.

2 - This guy coming in knew that Chansiri was a major creditor and that he was owed 15 million. Every club in this position has had to pay creditors to exit administration or take the points deduction. If the new owner doesn't want to start on -15 then pay off the debt. Every other club in this situation has had to do it.

I think it's only a bit more difficult as the majority of the debt is owed to the former owner. If it was owed to a teachers' pension fund, then everyone would obviously be saying that they have to start on -15 next season, or it's not fair on anyone else. I do get why it's causing consternation though.

P.S. F Wednesday. Ground's a shithole, and I haven't forgiven a small minority of their fans after we played them a few years back with Kasey Palmer getting abused.

To be honest it would be better for them to drop directly to league two and start again there. Won't happen though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wasn't calling @Brighton Sky Blue one just to clarify. Was saying in general ok to dream but don't get angry when the world doesn't play out to your exact requirements

What people expect and what people want to happen aren’t always the same.

 

[covcity4life]

What people expect and what people want to happen aren’t always the same.

Of course but many fans clearly got unhappy when we didn't win and they couldn't celebrate down town on a Saturday night.

Of course it would have been nice but life don't always work out so no point getting down about it

I wanna see the trophy lift at home. It will be disappointing if it doesn't happen but I won't get too down about it and focus more on fact we will hopefully lift it full stop.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of course but many fans clearly got unhappy when we didn't win and they couldn't celebrate down town on a Saturday night.

Of course it would have been nice but life don't always work out so no point getting down about it

I wanna see the trophy lift at home. It will be disappointing if it doesn't happen but I won't get too down about it and focus more on fact we will hopefully lift it full stop.

Happy to admit on Saturday I was really bothered by the big disconnect between what I wanted and expected, and what happened. I think disappointment over that is understandable.

On the other side though I got to watch a game with my dad which I haven’t been able to do much for years. It meant a lot for him to go anyway and that ultimately matters more than whatever the result is.

 

[baldy]

Happy to admit on Saturday I was really bothered by the big disconnect between what I wanted and expected, and what happened. I think disappointment over that is understandable.

On the other side though I got to watch a game with my dad which I haven’t been able to do much for years. It meant a lot for him to go anyway and that ultimately matters more than whatever the result is.

So you & your old man would've been happy if we'd have lost? Hmmm

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you & your old man would've been happy if we'd have lost? Hmmm

Eh?

 

[TomRad85]

So you & your old man would've been happy if we'd have lost? Hmmm

Hes saying going with his old man means more than the result. As someone who would love to go with his old man, even to watch us get arseholed 6-2 by Yeovil again, I fully understand.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hes saying going with his old man means more than the result. As someone who would love to go with his old man, even to watch us get arseholed 6-2 by Yeovil again, I fully understand.

Should have been more conscious of that actually, apologies.

 

[TomRad85]

Should have been more conscious of that actually, apologies.

Not at all, don't be silly. I understand even more what you are saying. Great occasion too, full ground. Slightly minging game but still must have been good for you guys overall.

 

[covcity4life]

Yeah im going with my dad to Wrexham game . Hope it's a win for him and we get to lift trophy for the memories but still be a memory just to be there cos you just don't know when last time will be

 

[David O'Day]

The Kim Hellberg nomination for MOY is looking foolish.

 

[Lamps]

The Kim Hellberg nomination for MOY is looking foolish.

Sometimes you need to be able to read past the headlines. They totally dominated their last game as usual with Portsmouth only having 3 shots and 1 on target where they scored in the 97th minute. If they had won they would have been level with Ipswich on points.

Their 2 best players by far have been out injured for weeks. Where would we be now if we hadn't had say Wright and Onyeka since we played Middlesbrough? They don't have a goalscorer on the pitch and it shows. Lately they're averaging nearly 50 shots per goal. Do you blame the manager for this?

They are playing against a low block most games because of how strong their midfield is. We should all know by now how difficult it is.

Edit.

Next game for Portsmouth was against Ipswich where they got a deserved 2-0 win.

 

[Balli001]

Sometimes you need to be able to read past the headlines. They totally dominated their last game as usual with Portsmouth only having 3 shots and 1 on target where they scored in the 97th minute. If they had won they would have been level with Ipswich on points.

Their 2 best players by far have been out injured for weeks. Where would we be now if we hadn't had say Wright and Onyeka since we played Middlesbrough? They don't have a goalscorer on the pitch and it shows. Lately they're averaging nearly 50 shots per goal. Do you blame the manager for this?

They are playing against a low block most games because of how strong their midfield is. We should all know by now how difficult it is.

Edit.

Next game for Portsmouth was against Ipswich where they got a deserved 2-0 win.

He has taken them down the table since he arrived.

 

[SafeAsMilk]

Sometimes you need to be able to read past the headlines. They totally dominated their last game as usual with Portsmouth only having 3 shots and 1 on target where they scored in the 97th minute. If they had won they would have been level with Ipswich on points.

Their 2 best players by far have been out injured for weeks. Where would we be now if we hadn't had say Wright and Onyeka since we played Middlesbrough? They don't have a goalscorer on the pitch and it shows. Lately they're averaging nearly 50 shots per goal. Do you blame the manager for this?

They are playing against a low block most games because of how strong their midfield is. We should all know by now how difficult it is.

Edit.

Next game for Portsmouth was against Ipswich where they got a deserved 2-0 win.

Hackney was playing when the bad run started, Whittaker had been dropped before was injured… if those are the ones you mean…
The manager was found out by Frank and all the other managers have piled on .. He has been found lacking in game massively.. May learn from this and improve in future seasons but being in running for manager of the year is some kind of second tier podcast content driven dogshit….

 

[Lamps]

Hackney was playing when the bad run started, Whittaker had been dropped before was injured… if those are the ones you mean…
The manager was found out by Frank and all the other managers have piled on .. He has been found lacking in game massively.. May learn from this and improve in future seasons but being in running for manager of the year is some kind of second tier podcast content driven dogshit….

They were both playing when they won 6 on the bounce before playing us. Both have been out for most of the games since.

All the teams that have played them since have done it their way, for instance Portsmouth last game only had 3 shots and had to wait for the 97th minute to get one on target That must have hurt.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The Kim Hellberg nomination for MOY is looking foolish.

He deserved the nomination at the time they would’ve compiled it but objectively, never deserved to win it. All the nominees are just imo and Lampard is a clear winner.

Even Eckert and Clement, both have done good jobs but still don’t deserve to be nominated. In 2021/22 when Cooper took Forest from to 3rd and promotion via playoffs, he nor Marco Silva won MOTY - it was Luton’s Nathan Jones. Both Southampton and Norwich have the resources to charge up the table and they did.

For me, the narrative around Boro was jarring. The triumphalism around them overtaking us was annoying and it was presume they’d keep top spot. The signs were there that they wouldn’t; poor Xmas results and their home record was not as good as ours or Ipswich. In reality, the gap between the two teams was always substantial.

 

[DT-R]

He has taken them down the table since he arrived.

From nailed on 2nd to 5th. bUt ThEyRe ThE bEsT tEaM iN tHe LeAgUe

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[David O'Day]

Sometimes you need to be able to read past the headlines. They totally dominated their last game as usual with Portsmouth only having 3 shots and 1 on target where they scored in the 97th minute. If they had won they would have been level with Ipswich on points.

Their 2 best players by far have been out injured for weeks. Where would we be now if we hadn't had say Wright and Onyeka since we played Middlesbrough? They don't have a goalscorer on the pitch and it shows. Lately they're averaging nearly 50 shots per goal. Do you blame the manager for this?

They are playing against a low block most games because of how strong their midfield is. We should all know by now how difficult it is.

Edit.

Next game for Portsmouth was against Ipswich where they got a deserved 2-0 win.

yet he's taken a team that before he came was in the top 2 and is now in danger of dropping out the play offs

 

[David O'Day]

They were both playing when they won 6 on the bounce before playing us. Both have been out for most of the games since.

All the teams that have played them since have done it their way, for instance Portsmouth last game only had 3 shots and had to wait for the 97th minute to get one on target That must have hurt.

Hackney played 6 games after the game against us and they didn't win 4 of them

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