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sc1940

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Yes. But from what I was talking about was in terms of being officially promoted, not that our GD is so great, it would take an absolute miracle for anyone to overtake us. That's obviously not official, though I do get your point

Boro and Millwall drop points and we win, then we are officially promoted and the only issue then to be sorted was whether or not Ipswich could pip us for first place
Yes you're right, I typed that out to make myself feel better.
 

Lamps

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It's not just that though is it?

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So, if we win on Saturday and neither Millwall and Boro win, we are officially up

Lets say the Boro and Millwall games are both draws.

That would put them both on 73 points with 4 games to go.

We win against Sheff Wed and we will be on 87 points


Ths max tally that Boro and Millwall can get then under that scenario is 85 points. 4 wins - 12 points. 73 plus 12 is 85.

So it doesn't matter about Ipswich. We win and Millwall and Boro fail to and we are up.

That's correct isn't it?
It certainly is with the addition of Ipswich v Middlesbrough coming up on the 19th as well. Realistically we're minimum 2nd if we beat Sheffield Wednesday at home next. If they lose to either Norwich or Middlesbrough we have Blackburn away on the 17th and Portsmouth at home on the 21st. Win one of those for the title. Portsmouth at home is starting to look quite likely where we would confirm the title with a win.


I would like Middlesbrough to keep going and be close to Ipswich when they play.

Ipswich 7 games to go. 2 at home 5 away.

Coventry 5 games to go 3 at home.
 

Lamps

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Southampton will be fucked by the time they get to Ipswich - they have just had Blackburn squeezed back into their Schedule and I think they play Ipswich a couple of days after chasing Man City around Wembley for 90 mins.
Ipswich will be the same. Southampton is their 4th game in 9 days with their game being their 3rd away on the bounce. They're hardly going to see their own home. 3 away games in 6 days.

2nd place is still up for grabs.
 

skybluelee

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But even if Boro and Millwall win their next game, provided we beat Wednesday, our goal difference means Boro will have to turn around a goal difference of 21 in 4 games, or Millwall 33 in 4 games without considering any further change in GD in the next game.
So as an example that equates to us losing our last 4 games 3-0, 3-0, 3-0, 2-0, and Boro winning their 4 remaining games by the same sort of amount (including their game against Ipswich).
Mate, we all know that it's as good as done if we beat Sheff W, we can all see the goal difference disparity between us and Millwall/Mboro. But we can't be officially promoted by 2:30pm Saturday. There will be no (p) after our name.
 

Pusb1

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Ipswich will be the same. Southampton is their 4th game in 9 days with their game being their 3rd away on the bounce. They're hardly going to see their own home. 3 away games in 6 days.

2nd place is still up for grabs.
Tbf Ipswich have a massive squad and can easily completely rotate their team

Jack Clarke, Nunez, Mcateer,
Hurst

Were their front 4 yesterday

Philogene, Mehmeti, Wes Burns
Akpom


Could be substituted in without making them materially worse

To top it off they then also can add

Egli (championship record signing)
Azon
Jack Taylor

As another 3 players who can play across a front 4.

Their strength is obscene and they can easily rotate heavily over the end of the season.
Think they'll be the ones to take 2nd
 

Pezza

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I don’t think we’ll lose to Sheffield Wednesday, but let’s not assume we’ll just turn up and smash them like we did at their place.

I actually called it on here that we’d beat Derby and draw with Hull (not usually that accurate, normally too pessimistic), but I do think we’ll win another couple of games. Not sure which ones, though.

It feels like Lampard and the team really want to go all the way and win it. After being top for so much of the season, the title has to be the main target now. Part of me would love it if, behind the scenes, they were rattled by all the “bottled it” talk back in January, and are now determined to throw it back at everyone.

That said, the players should be fully up for this. These are the moments they play for opportunities like this don’t come around often, and they need to grab it.
 

shmmeee

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Just out of interest
If we win Saturday and Ipswich draw or lose...
We're promoted?

No. It’s Boro and Millwall that matter for promotion not Ipswich. We need 4 points either from us gaining them or both of them dropping them. So if we win and they both fail to win we’re up but that can’t happen until Boro play at 3
 

Jay88

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Tbf Ipswich have a massive squad and can easily completely rotate their team

Jack Clarke, Nunez, Mcateer,
Hurst

Were their front 4 yesterday

Philogene, Mehmeti, Wes Burns
Akpom


Could be substituted in without making them materially worse

To top it off they then also can add

Egli (championship record signing)
Azon
Jack Taylor

As another 3 players who can play across a front 4.

Their strength is obscene and they can easily rotate heavily over the end of the season.
Think they'll be the ones to take 2nd

Absolutely, i'd expect them to get 2nd now. Whenever it's a tight call, I always go in favour of the year 1 parachute team because of the quality and depth of their squad. Same with Southampton, i'd have them to finish top 6 as well, they can cope with juggling league and FA Cup being a year 1 parachute team.
 

Otis

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Win saturday its done in all but GD yes
We need it to be official though don't we. We all know we are going up and that is now not at all an arrogant thing to say

It's nigh on impossible for us not to go up, with us being this many points clear.

It's all about it being officially confirmed now. And once that has happened, we will be looking to secure top spot and have that officially confirmed too
 

Ccfc_Addy

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So win Saturday and it's basically done, unless Boro can get 21 more goals until our next point
The simplest way to look at it is:

If we win on Saturday, and both Middlesborough and Milwall fail to win their matches at 3pm, promotion is confirmed because at that point it won't be possible for both Middlesborough and Milwall to catch up on the point difference.

If we win on Saturday, and both or one of Middlesborough and Milwall win their matches at 3pm, promotion is all but confirmed apart from an essentially impossible to overcome goal difference.

If we lose or draw on Saturday, we carry on!
 

shmmeee

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How it is in my head:

Promotion: 4 points either from us gaining them or both Boro and Millwall dropping them (or a combo of both)

Title: 10 points either from us gaining them or Ipswich dropping them (or a combo)

Technically Millwall and Boro can win the title but it’s very very unlikely.
 

itsvangool

Active Member
The simplest way to look at it is:

If we win on Saturday, and both Middlesborough and Milwall fail to win their matches at 3pm, promotion is confirmed because at that point it won't be possible for both Middlesborough and Milwall to catch up on the point difference.

If we win on Saturday, and both or one of Middlesborough and Milwall win their matches at 3pm, promotion is all but confirmed apart from an essentially impossible to overcome goal difference.

If we lose or draw on Saturday, we carry on!
Don’t forget Millwall are away at the Baggies on Friday night.
 

SkyBluePower

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It’s only after reading all this and the implications of yesterday’s games that you really see what a decent result it was last night and why Frank was (relatively) relaxed about it.
I know the mantra is one game at a time but clearly we are now playing the percentages . Came out of a really tough Easter with 4 points, no injuries ( we think) and no one else could do any better this weekend.
 

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