Just A Blip? (5 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

No doubt, but it's not what they have the aim to do, it's what they have the capacity to do that worries me.
The high line has killed us last 3 away games. It has to be sorted.

I think that's where difffer

You say killed us but in not so sure. Was it a good performance? No but we could have won that game. Against a Norwich team in form who I personally wouldn't be surprised to see climb table under Clement and get into playoff picture even . We had the chances

High killing us would be us getting raped in games. But we're in with a chance of winning most games too

It's fine margins. Luck goes out way and we pick up winsm against us and we lose

So yes we need to find a way where result is less of a lottery but I'm personally not of the opinion that we are terrible away.

 

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[Evo1883]

He literally said the knives are out there are other posters who don't have to say it honestly but its obvious.
It's probably best I leave it though, I'm really not in the mood to fall out with people over fucking Frank Lampard tonight.

I said if we fuck it up the knives will be out , not sure thats too far removed from reality

 

[Nick]

Can Gurney go back to West Brom? They need to fire up a live fans forum and speak to the drummer.

 

[clint van damme]

I think that's where difffer

You say killed us but in not so sure. Was it a good performance? No but we could have won that game. Against a Norwich team in form who I personally wouldn't be surprised to see climb table under Clement and get into playoff picture even . We had the chances

High killing us would be us getting raped in games. But we're in with a chance of winning most games too

It's fine margins. Luck goes out way and we pick up winsm against us and we lose

So yes we need to find a way where result is less of a lottery but I'm personally not of the opinion that we are terrible away.

We've dropped 8 points in the last 3 away games and playing a high line has been problematic in all of them.

Yes, there are other factors, individual errors etc but ultimately it has hurt us badly.
We've got 3 points from our last 6 away, it's because we've been poor.

 

[covcity4life]

We've dropped 8 points in the last 3 away games and playing a high line has been problematic in all of them.

Yes, there are other factors, individual errors etc but ultimately it has hurt us badly.
We've got 3 points from our last 6 away, it's because we've been poor.

And we're top in late January because we have been very good for slot longer than we have been poor

Nothing to suggest we won't get back on track. Hopefully starting tomorrow

 

[lord_garrincha]

Can Gurney go back to West Brom? They need to fire up a live fans forum and speak to the drummer.

Give youth a chance.

 

[clint van damme]

And we're top in late January because we have been very good for slot longer than we have been poor

Nothing to suggest we won't get back on track. Hopefully starting tomorrow

I'm not sure how you can say there's nothing to suggest we won't get back on track?

We've been displaying the same frailties for weeks on the road.
Change it tomorrow and I'll be a bit more optimistic but otherwise I think teams will keep taking advantage. Fortunately we do have what appear to be some 'easier' away games coming up.

 

[TomRad85]

I dont think lampard is doing a bad job we are top , i am critical of our recent form and some of his tactics have seen us more open than well , you can guess .

But debating it has lead us down a weird path of weirddness that makes no sense ..

I think we both agree the form is a concern surely ?

Thats basically it , but lets be totally honest , i wont be happy with frank if we fail because the circumstances were such that he couldnt surely fuck it up .

It's a bit of a concern. I've always been consistent with my belief though that we sprinted to January. We weren't a top squad and were absolutely blowing by the time the Brum game came around. It's my belief the management thought this was the best way to go then call for recruitments in Jan. To that end I think we did amazingly well and the only game I'd really put on the management if you want is maybe Norwich as that happened since the reset.
I would say he's largely done all he can with what he's got and actually the pressure is more on the owner than the manager to give him what he needs to move forward.

 

[Evo1883]

It's a bit of a concern. I've always been consistent with my belief though that we sprinted to January. We weren't a top squad and were absolutely blowing by the time the Brum game came around. It's my belief the management thought this was the best way to go then call for recruitments in Jan. To that end I think we did amazingly well and the only game I'd really put on the management if you want is maybe Norwich as that happened since the reset.
I would say he's largely done all he can with what he's got and actually the pressure is more on the owner than the manager to give him what he needs to move forward.

I agree doug needs to get him that midfielder this month

 

[covcity4life]

I'm not sure how you can say there's nothing to suggest we won't get back on track?

We've been displaying the same frailties for weeks on the road.
Change it tomorrow and I'll be a bit more optimistic but otherwise I think teams will keep taking advantage. Fortunately we do have what appear to be some 'easier' away games coming up.

I just explained. Even with frailties we are not getting battered and arguably could have won some of the games we lost

 

[TomRad85]

Were you the top or bottom?

Top, I've always struggled with putting things up my anus, just doesn't feel right.

 

[fernandopartridge]

We've dropped 8 points in the last 3 away games and playing a high line has been problematic in all of them.

Yes, there are other factors, individual errors etc but ultimately it has hurt us badly.
We've got 3 points from our last 6 away, it's because we've been poor.

But playing a high line has also been instrumental in our position to date. Individual errors have been a bigger factor recently.

Would have won at Southampton but for a sending off

Would have won at Charlton but for a silly error by Brau

Gave away 3 goals at Brum but with the chances we had we still could have got something

Gave away 2 goals at Norwich but these were down to defensive errors not the high line. Look at the first goal in particular, BTA commits himself too early in the press, Esse doesn't even bother. Thomas is ball watching. Midfielder doesn't track the run. Da Silva arguably could have done better on the line.

 

[clint van damme]

I just explained. Even with frailties we are not getting battered and arguably could have won some of the games we lost

It's such a weird way of looking at things. We're picking up less than a point a game, not getting battered doesn't come into it.

And I say the same about to home form, we're now winning games by single goals, but we're still winning and picking up maximum points, the winning margin isn't really a consideration

 

[clint van damme]

But playing a high line has also been instrumental in our position to date. Individual errors have been a bigger factor recently.

Would have won at Southampton but for a sending off

Would have won at Charlton but for a silly error by Brau

Gave away 3 goals at Brum but with the chances we had we still could have got something

Gave away 2 goals at Norwich but these were down to defensive errors not the high line. Look at the first goal in particular, BTA commits himself too early in the press, Esse doesn't even bother. Thomas is ball watching. Midfielder doesn't track the run. Da Silva arguably could have done better on the line.

But as I said on another thread, just because something works for half a season it doesn't follow that will continue.

All sorts of variables come into play, injuries, fatigue, conditions, opposition game plan.

I also acknowledged that individual errors have played a part, though in the case of Brau, leaving him of all people 1 on 1 when you're a goal up was foolhardy.

 

[covcity4life]

It's such a weird way of looking at things. We're picking up less than a point a game, not getting battered doesn't come into it.

And I say the same about to home form, we're now winning games by single goals, but we're still winning and picking up maximum points, the winning margin isn't really a consideration

It's weird to think we should be winning all games easily. That's now how football works let alone this league

We have won 2 our of our last 3 is another way of looking at form btw. Not getting battered does come into it cos clearly it's not a major changes needed to win these close games in the future.

 

[covcity4life]

But as I said on another thread, just because something works for half a season it doesn't follow that will continue.

All sorts of variables come into play, injuries, fatigue, conditions, opposition game plan.

I also acknowledged that individual errors have played a part, though in the case of Brau, leaving him of all people 1 on 1 when you're a goal up was foolhardy.

Just because something hasn't worked as well for 6 weeks doesn't follow that it will continue?

 

[clint van damme]

It's weird to think we should be winning all games easily. That's now how football works let alone this league

We have won 2 our of our last 3 is another way of looking at form btw. Not getting battered does come into it cos clearly it's not a major changes needed to win these close games in the future.

I don't think we should be winning games easily, which is why I don't agree with people complaining about single goal winning margins.

But equally I don't find any consolation in losing by single margins.

As for this peculiar new metric that SBT seems to have in the last day or two of last 3 games it's nonsense, but if we look at the 3 previous to that we picked up 1 point.

 

[clint van damme]

Just because something hasn't worked as well for 6 weeks doesn't follow that it will continue?

No it doesn't. But I think most people would prefer to see things tweaked rather than just carry on repeating the same thing in the hope your fortunes change.


By your logic why make in game tactical changes if what you're doing g has worked previously?

 

[covcity4life]

I don't think we should be winning games easily, which is why I don't agree with people complaining about single goal winning margins.

But equally I don't find any consolation in losing by single margins.

As for this peculiar new metric that SBT seems to have in the last day or two of last 3 games it's nonsense, but if we look at the 3 previous to that we picked up 1 point.

And if we go back 3 months it looks great again

So we can't look at the past or even recent past , only the past that has us at doing badly

Peculiar indeed

 

[covcity4life]

No it doesn't. But I think most people would prefer to see things tweaked rather than just carry on repeating the same thing in the hope your fortunes change.


By your logic why make in game tactical changes if what you're doing g has worked previously?

My logic? I have said many times I'm sure the manager and players are always looking to improve upon certain things

 

[clint van damme]

And if we go back 3 months it looks great again

So we can't look at the past or even recent past , only the past that has us at doing badly

Peculiar indeed

You're just being silly now so this is pointless.
When a football team hasn't won away for two months I'd say most people expect them to try something different.

The fact we're after Onyeka would suggest that that's what Lampard and his team have in mind.

 

[fernandopartridge]

As for this peculiar new metric that SBT seems to have in the last day or two of last 3 games it's nonsense, but if we look at the 3 previous to that we picked up 1 point.

By that logic the adage "you're only as good as your last result" isn't relevant any more and it is historic performance that matters. Ergo as the team top of the league with the best goal difference, most wins and most goals scored, there is no problem. It'll turn around.

 

[clint van damme]

My logic? I have said many times I'm sure the manager and players are always looking to improve upon certain things

While simultaneously trying to argue for the status quo!

 

[covcity4life]

While simultaneously trying to argue for the status quo!

I'm not arguing. I have no doubt lampard and team are working on tactical tweaks etc

All I've said is I don't think we need massive improvement because I don't think we're a million miles away.

 

[shmmeee]

Adding Armstrong and Sarmiento to their first XI makes it closer for me, along with having the best CM in the league in Hackney. The difference between the sides in a few weeks won't be ability though, it'll be confidence and energy. They just have much more of it plus a manager willing to adapt to what's in front of him.

This. We’ve got no one with Hackneys quality. Feel out average is better but their best is better. Ipswich better than both.

 

[clint van damme]

By that logic the adage "you're only as good as your last result" isn't relevant any more and it is historic performance that matters. Ergo as the team top of the league with the best goal difference, most wins and most goals scored, there is no problem. It'll turn around.

Well no, because we're in quite a peculiar position. We have exceptional home form and away form that's fallen off a cliff, trying to use one to prove a point about the other is pretty meaningless.

They need looking at seperately, and if both strands carry on as they are we could, and probably will, miss out on the autos, and it will be down solely to the away form.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This. We’ve got no one with Hackneys quality. Feel out average is better but their best is better. Ipswich better than both.

Grimes is the best in the league at what he does, the numbers bear that out. Or at least they did until he was tasked with feeding the 5000 in midfield.

Defensively I don’t particularly rate Boro either and I think we have the better front line as it stands.

 

[shmmeee]

Grimes is the best in the league at what he does, the numbers bear that out. Or at least they did until he was tasked with feeding the 5000 in midfield.

Defensively I don’t particularly rate Boro either and I think we have the better front line as it stands.

Id take Hackney over anyone in our midfield tbh. Different type of player to Grimes tho.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not arguing. I have no doubt lampard and team are working on tactical tweaks etc

All I've said is I don't think we need massive improvement because I don't think we're a million miles away.

So you can see why changes are necessary?!

 

[covcity4life]

So you can see why changes are necessary?!

Have never said I don't!

But necessary no. I don't mind changes if that's what manager wants to do to improve though.

Think same highline still wins us enough PTS to see us over line

 

[Londonccfcfan]

I don't care really.

Pretty obvious that you can't play Thomas-Asante at 10, have Mason-Clark not track back and Torp have zero impact on the game. Would expect either a change of formation or Grimes, Eccles and Rudoni to be the three in midfield.

100% this. This will be midfield tommorow.

 

[Tommo1993]

It’s blind hope versus what a lot of us are seeing on the pitch. The concern is fair.

 

[clint van damme]

Have never said I don't!

But necessary no. I don't mind changes if that's what manager wants to do to improve though.

Think same highline still wins us enough PTS to see us over line

OK.

 

[itsabuzzard]

I think that's where difffer

You say killed us but in not so sure. Was it a good performance? No but we could have won that game. Against a Norwich team in form who I personally wouldn't be surprised to see climb table under Clement and get into playoff picture even . We had the chances

High killing us would be us getting raped in games. But we're in with a chance of winning most games too

It's fine margins. Luck goes out way and we pick up winsm against us and we lose

So yes we need to find a way where result is less of a lottery but I'm personally not of the opinion that we are terrible away.

You can tell school's out for the weekend

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s blind hope versus what a lot of us are seeing on the pitch. The concern is fair.

Hardly blind hope to think that individual errors AND a lack of killer instinct in front of goal will not continue for a prolonged period. The underlying numbers are still OK.