25/26 January Transfer Window (78 Viewers)

coop

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Set piece merchant according to Gemini reading the Zurich fans forums. Also quick and accurate crosser.
That's ok if you have someone who can head the ball or sneak in front of a defender but unfortunately our forwards are not good at either.
 

Jamieb87ccfc

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Just heard it but the source is close to the club , whether its true remains to be seen but we do seem heavy with wingers
Think it’s utter nonsense, no one knows what’s happening. Hence this signing has come out of the blue. People of Facebook saying Rudoni on his way, but he’s been carrying a shoulder injury for 4 weeks know.
Sakamoto isn’t going anywhere.
It sounds like Rudoni is out injured and Esse will play there meaning it’s Saka and the new lad for that position.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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After last night i'm happy to never see BTA as an "10" again.
People were crying for it when he was out injured. Yet, football fans have amnesia because the narrative was that without Rudoni, we were too open with BTA with Haji… 😂

Frankly, BTA needs to work his way back into the 11 and it was a mistake not starting Eccles imo who should’ve scored again.

It’s also pretty baffling to not start Simms when we’re away. He’s the only striker to score away from home since Boro…
 

quinn1971

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Disagree on MVE, that point gets parroted without any supporting data. Most of MVE’s assists this season have been without Sakamoto playing…

Esse is first choice and not buying the idea we’ve spent €5m on a winger to not be in around the starting 11 so Sakamoto either drops down the pecking order or changes position.

Sakamoto is never a player that would be ‘bombed out’, he’s got a lot of good traits that makes me think we could utilise him in different positions.
Don’t need data, use your eyes, they know each others game, they attack as a pair and defend as a pair, watch esse drifts inside all the time a leaves MVE open, which is why I reckon esse goes in the 10 and why we’ve brought this lad, good signing gives us more attacking options
 

quinn1971

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People were crying for it when he was out injured. Yet, football fans have amnesia because the narrative was that without Rudoni, we were too open with BTA with Haji… 😂

Frankly, BTA needs to work his way back into the 11 and it was a mistake not starting Eccles imo who should’ve scored again.

It’s also pretty baffling to not start Simms when we’re away. He’s the only striker to score away from home since Boro…
Should have started lati aswell, based on his last 2 starts
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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What have people see to suggest Esse would be good in the middle? Not sure why people are obsessed with trying to place players out of position.

Esse struggles to get back as it is and our main problem at the moment is being overrun in midfield.

Put Esse in and it’s the same outcome if not worse. Grimes and Torp being horribly exposed.
The obsession is more with Sakamoto being untouchable for many people. He is overestimated by most of our fanbase.

To be clear, that doesn’t mean he’s bad, it just means he’s not as good as some people think he is. Apparently MVE is prime Cafu when he plays with Sakamoto and Stephen Wright without him… 🙄
 

quinn1971

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The obsession is more with Sakamoto being untouchable for many people. He is overestimated by most of our fanbase.

To be clear, that doesn’t mean he’s bad, it just means he’s not as good as some people think he is. Apparently MVE is prime Cafu when he plays with Sakamoto and Stephen Wright without him… 🙄
I take it you do watch games, tell me honestly that MVE and saka don’t link up well together, esse gives us a bit more that’s the only reason he’s not starting, injury to esse and there’s no problem with saka starting ?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Don’t need data, use your eyes, they know each others game, they attack as a pair and defend as a pair, watch esse drifts inside all the time a leaves MVE open, which is why I reckon esse goes in the 10 and why we’ve brought this lad, good signing gives us more attacking options
I take it you do watch games, tell me honestly that MVE and saka don’t link up well together,
If the eye test was that conclusive, why does the data not support that and on the contrary, why has MVE got more assists without Sakamoto?

MVE and Sakamoto have played together close to 100 games together (probably more), there’s been a lot of good moments between the two.

Statistically, MVE is a top end Championship RB both defensively and in attack. In fact, he’s actually a bigger threat than Sakamoto altogether. By contrast, Sakamoto is slightly above average in all categories, he doesn’t standout as ‘elite’ in any statistical category bar ‘fouls won’ and xA.

EMC, by contrast, has established himself as a top end winger and he’s playing with JDS who is not a top end WB, despite his complementary characteristics.

Statistically and ‘the eye test’, Sakamoto is less threatening compared to Esse, Rudoni and EMC.
 

Hobo

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People were crying for it when he was out injured. Yet, football fans have amnesia because the narrative was that without Rudoni, we were too open with BTA with Haji… 😂

Frankly, BTA needs to work his way back into the 11 and it was a mistake not starting Eccles imo who should’ve scored again.

It’s also pretty baffling to not start Simms when we’re away. He’s the only striker to score away from home since Boro…

Re BTA, you could say the same for Wright, Rudoni, Thomas and Thorpe.

FL said at the start of the season you have to work and work in training and be ready to take your chance. That is fair enough, until you do work hard and wait for your chance. But then Frank just brings his favourites back in regardless.

I’m a big Thomas fan and he would normally be first on the team sheet for me. But his red at Birmingham was brainless. Lati has come in and done very well. He was unlucky to be dropped after Southampton. Came back in and did well again. Thomas didn’t merit his start last night. He didn’t come up with a performance either.

It is clear Frank has his chosen few who just get a pass back into the side. Over time that can undo the squads togetherness
 

quinn1971

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If the eye test was that conclusive, why does the data not support that and on the contrary, why has MVE got more assists without Sakamoto?

MVE and Sakamoto have played together close to 100 games together (probably more), there’s been a lot of good moments between the two.

Statistically, MVE is a top end Championship RB both defensively and in attack. In fact, he’s actually a bigger threat than Sakamoto altogether. By contrast, Sakamoto is slightly above average in all categories, he doesn’t standout as ‘elite’ in any statistical category bar ‘fouls won’ and xA.

EMC, by contrast, has established himself as a top end winger and he’s playing with JDS who is not a top end WB, despite his complementary characteristics.

Statistically and ‘the eye test’, Sakamoto is less threatening compared to Esse, Rudoni and EMC.
While MVE is forward getting the assists, sakamoto covers him, works back, not saying he’s brilliant but always puts a shift in, unlike some, did really well when he came on last night, prob won’t start in front of esse but there’s not many better than saka in this league
 

Hobo

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Rudi not being available and maybe not confident with his shoulder, has been a real miss in that department this season
Rudoni and his shoulder is a fans myth. No sign what so ever he is worried about his shoulder.
 

Nick

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While MVE is forward getting the assists, sakamoto covers him, works back, not saying he’s brilliant but always puts a shift in, unlike some, did really well when he came on last night, prob won’t start in front of esse but there’s not many better than saka in this league
We have conceded plenty down our right too.
 

Jamieb87ccfc

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I'll be a little bit sad if Tats is moving on.

Someone has to be moving out. It makes no sense otherwise.
Makes perfect sense, Rudoni has a shoulder injury and is out. BTA facing a three/four match ban. Esse will play 10 so Saka and the new guy for the RW position
 

CCFCSteve

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Rudoni and his shoulder is a fans myth. No sign what so ever he is worried about his shoulder.

He was still working on it when he was rehabbing after calf injury although said it was ok now but unless you get surgery Im pretty sure dislocating shoulder again remains a risk. Maybe it’s just where he’s been asked to play but he’s not attacked the box in the same way as last season
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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While MVE is forward getting the assists, sakamoto covers him, works back, not saying he’s brilliant but always puts a shift in, unlike some, did really well when he came on last night, prob won’t start in front of esse but there’s not many better than saka in this league
I don’t think Lampard want his winger’s first priority is covering their WBs when they get forward… Besides, if what you say is true, why has MVE got more assists without Sakamoto than with this season?

Sakamoto is an above average winger in this division so he’d comfortably start for most teams. That said, is he better than Whittaker, Joseph, Azeez or Esse? These are the wingers the team around us have.

Is it a surprise, therefore, that we’ve signed two RW who seem a lot more attacking than Sakamoto?
 

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