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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Trump was elected on on overwhelming mandate to do the exact sort of things he is doing now.

He is also right to try and take Greenland before Russian does as Denmark and the west are incapable of protecting it as they are so woke and pathetic.

Trump has a spine.

He's a criminal who should have been locked up years ago.

 

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[Ccfc_Addy]

I think there's a chance anyone on either side of this is lying, but if you outright believe these witnesses (the same kind of people who recently have been causing disturbances across cities, and as recently as last weekend stormed a church for the supposed greater good) then I don't know what to say to you. There's agendas all over the place, yet you've got people on here posting bits of fake news on here deliberately trying to wind people up without even taking the time to check it or give context.

What is your evidence that the school official "has been causing disturbances across cities" and "stormed a church as recently as last weekend"

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

They've been wildly engaging in illegal activity themselves and are functioning more as Trump's brownshirts than a form of law enforcement. That's quite different to believing in open borders.

You agree with snatching people at random based on their skin colour or accent? I don't.

Who has said they agree with snatching people at random based on skin colour or accent? You are making things up.

If you want to shut immigration and customs enforcement down, how else do you propose they enforce border control? If it doesn't exist then by default anyone that comes in illegally is allowed to roam freely. This was something set up for national security following 9/11.

 

[chiefdave]

You just said the quiet part out loud

That ICE shouldn't be going around murdering people and grabbing kids off the street?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What is your evidence that the school official "has been causing disturbances across cities" and "stormed a church as recently as last weekend"

Who has said he has been doing those things? You are another one that is just making things up.

I am saying that some of people that oppose immigration and customs enforcement have behaved in a pretty detestable way, and it would not be beyond one of them to lie and make something up to suit their agenda. There are two conflicting stories here.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Who has said they agree with snatching people at random based on skin colour or accent? You are making things up.

If you want to shut immigration and customs enforcement down, how else do you propose they enforce border control? If it doesn't exist then by default anyone that comes in illegally is allowed to roam freely. This was something set up for national security following 9/11.

Shut it down and replace it with something that doesn't send masked goons around to break the law. They don't allow people due process, they target people based on appearance/accent, and recently they murdered a US citizen trying to drive away from them. They're no better than violent thugs, causing more trouble than they prevent.

Obama was known as the 'deporter in chief' and he achieved that moniker without engaging in this sort of activity. Go through the courts, get a warrant signed by a judge and do it by the book. Allow the people you detain access to a lawyer and the right to defend themselves in court.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That ICE shouldn't be going around murdering people and grabbing kids off the street?

That is not the argument here.

 

[mmttww]

According to Homeland Security...

you've got to be on the wind-up at this point. this is the same bunch who denied Trump confused Iceland and Greenland when a room full of people heard him.

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

Who has said he has been doing those things? You are another one that is just making things up.

I am saying that some of people that oppose immigration and customs enforcement have behaved in a pretty detestable way, and it would not be beyond one of them to lie and make something up to suit their agenda. There are two conflicting stories here.

*She. Now who hasn't been "taking the time to check it or give context"?

I said that a senior school official had been quoted in the articles posted in this thread, and you said:

if you outright believe these witnesses (the same kind of people who recently have been causing disturbances across cities, and as recently as last weekend stormed a church for the supposed greater good) then I don't know what to say to you.

What does that have to do with the person that has been quoted in these articles? I feel like you need to look closer to home to see who is "projecting" and "making things up".

I'll ask again. Even if Homeland Security are telling the truth, how do you justify a five-year-old being sent 1000 miles away from his family?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Shut it down and replace it with something that doesn't send masked goons around to break the law. They don't allow people due process, they target people based on appearance/accent, and recently they murdered a US citizen trying to drive away from them. They're no better than violent thugs, causing more trouble than they prevent.

Obama was known as the 'deporter in chief' and he achieved that moniker without engaging in this sort of activity. Go through the courts, get a warrant signed by a judge and do it by the book. Allow the people you detain access to a lawyer and the right to defend themselves in court.

I would reform it as well, but the concept of just simply shutting it down does not make any sense to me.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I would reform it as well, but the concept of just simply shutting it down does not make any sense to me.

It should be shut down because it's functioning more as a pro Trump militia than a law enforcement body. These are people who break the law themselves and have gone way past the line of what is acceptable.

It needs to be scrapped and people prepared to obey the law put in its place. Problem is, Trump and his cabinet themselves are a criminal gang.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

*She. Now who hasn't been "taking the time to check it or give context"?

I said that a senior school official had been quoted in the articles posted in this thread, and you said:



What does that have to do with the person that has been quoted?

you've got to be on the wind-up at this point. this is the same bunch who denied Trump confused Iceland and Greenland when a room full of people heard him.

I think what you are both not getting here is that people on this, let's say, current hot topic have been caught out on both sides of it. The 'masked goons' have behaved like shit at times, but the people opposing them are also prone to causing trouble. Lying, causing disturbances, and frankly doing whatever they can to further their agenda. This includes storming a church as recently as this weekend. There doesn't really seem to be any limit on how far they will go either.

The fact someone has posted something in this thread as gospel without challenging doesn't help. I agree that some of the practices ICE are doing are wrong, but there are clearly people out there trying to exaggerate and whip up a storm wherever they can. I think it is gullible at best to just believe what a random witness would say, as much as it would be to swallow the US government kool-aid.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It should be shut down because it's functioning more as a pro Trump militia than a law enforcement body. These are people who break the law themselves and have gone way past the line of what is acceptable.

It needs to be scrapped and people prepared to obey the law put in its place. Problem is, Trump and his cabinet themselves are a criminal gang.

I don't disagree with your second sentence. It existed before Trump though. It was founded in 2003, as mentioned following 9/11 and a need to increase security. If it pre-dated Trump, why would reform not work?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think what you are both not getting here is that people on this, let's say, current hot topic have been caught out on both sides of it. The 'masked goons' have behaved like shit at times, but the people opposing them are also prone to causing trouble. Lying, causing disturbances, and frankly doing whatever they can to further their agenda. This includes storming a church as recently as this weekend. There doesn't really seem to be any limit on how far they will go either.

The fact someone has posted something in this thread as gospel without challenging doesn't help. I agree that some of the practices ICE are doing are wrong, but there are clearly people out there trying to exaggerate and whip up a storm wherever they can. I think it is gullible at best to just believe what a random witness would say, as much as it would be to swallow the US government kool-aid.

I find it intriguing that you seem to have had a Damascene conversion on Trump's foreign policy activities, but are still lock step behind what he's doing domestically. ICE are his brownshirts, no better than paid criminal thugs.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't disagree with your second sentence. It existed before Trump though. It was founded in 2003, as mentioned following 9/11 and a need to increase security. If it pre-dated Trump, why would reform not work?

You would need to sack essentially everybody involved with it at this point because they're engaging in wildly illegal activity. If you can do that and replace them from top to bottom sure, but that is as good as scrapping it and starting something else in its place.

 

[PVA]

There doesn't really seem to be any limit on how far they will go either.

Well they haven't shot anyone in the face at point blank range yet!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I find it intriguing that you seem to have had a Damascene conversion on Trump's foreign policy activities, but are still lock step behind what he's doing domestically. ICE are his brownshirts, no better than paid criminal thugs.

I haven't really changed my opinion of him at all. I think this Greenland stuff is absolutely ridiculous, and he is coming across as a proper c**t. I see each situation differently though, so when he does something I don't automatically lose my shit because it takes an evaluation, not just a simple 'orange man bad' response. That being said, I do think his behaviour recently has become more erratic. You've always hated him, so with respect, I am not sure if you can see that or not. The latest moves he has been doing comes across to me as someone who is losing their marbles at a rapid rate.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You would need to sack essentially everybody involved with it at this point because they're engaging in wildly illegal activity. If you can do that and replace them from top to bottom sure, but that is as good as scrapping it and starting something else in its place.

Apparently 22,000 people are employed by them, so it would be one hell of an effort to shut it down and start from nothing. There would essentially be no immigration enforcement within the inside of country during that time. It isn't something I would want to do personally.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I haven't really changed my opinion of him at all. I think this Greenland stuff is absolutely ridiculous, and he is coming across as a proper c**t. I see each situation differently though, so when he does something I don't automatically lose my shit because it takes an evaluation, not just a simple 'orange man bad' response. That being said, I do think his behaviour recently has become more erratic. You've always hated him, so with respect, I am not sure if you can see that or not. The latest moves he has been doing comes across to me as someone who is losing their marbles at a rapid rate.

Not true actually. In 2016 I saw a lot of his appeal and may even have voted for him myself if I were in the US. He even mentioned single payer healthcare during that first election campaign. His first term was pretty poor, but the vaccine rollout 'Operation Warp Speed' was really well done. Then he lost the 2020 election and totally lost the plot in his attempts to get the result overturned. From that point on I've regarded him as a criminal who should have been put on trial for his election interference.

Instead he has been rewarded with a second term which he has used to persecute his political opponents, indulge in regime change operations and engage in off the scale levels of fraud and corruption. It's a disgrace.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Apparently 22,000 people are employed by them, so it would be one hell of an effort to shut it down and start from nothing. There would essentially be no immigration enforcement within the inside of country during that time. It isn't something I would want to do personally.

Trump and Musk have fired hundreds of thousands of government workers without any thought as to the consequences. 22,000 is a drop in the ocean.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Trump and Musk have fired hundreds of thousands of government workers without any thought as to the consequences. 22,000 is a drop in the ocean.

I am not sure the comparison is the same. Depends on what department it is, and if you are shutting it down completely to nothing. We agree something needs to change, so perhaps let's leave it there. Personally I would reform it rather than canning it altogether.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Trump was elected on on overwhelming mandate to do the exact sort of things he is doing now.

He is also right to try and take Greenland before Russian does as Denmark and the west are incapable of protecting it as they are so woke and pathetic.

Trump has a spine.

Fuck off

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I am not sure the comparison is the same. Depends on what department it is, and if you are shutting it down completely to nothing. We agree something needs to change, so perhaps let's leave it there. Personally I would reform it rather than canning it altogether.

I just don't see this regime willing to even make changes, as I said they're basically a gang of criminals themselves. It may need scrapping or at least renaming for a different reason: the US public as a whole seems to have really turned against them. Which is understandable given that they have killed a US citizen and harassed plenty of other citizens in the meantime.

 

[mmttww]

Renaming ICE as 'Police of Peace' would be on-brand for Trump and the Gang. Reckon they have an open inbox for suggestions?

 

[duffer]

Trump was elected on on overwhelming mandate to do the exact sort of things he is doing now.

He is also right to try and take Greenland before Russian does as Denmark and the west are incapable of protecting it as they are so woke and pathetic.

Trump has a spine.

Russia can't take Ukraine now. They couldn't take Finland in 1939.

There's zero evidence they could take Greenland, even if they wanted to.

Before you talk about spine did you not notice that your rambling, incontinent, bone-spurred hero has just shat the bed on Greenland and has acted like Putin's bitch at every opportunity. TACO, they call him, Trump Always Chickens Out.

Imagine being so pathetic that you'd literally cheerlead for a fat, orange nonce, actively threatening this country, economically and even militarily, just because he wants to own something that isn't his.

And I thought you right-wing nutters called yourself patriots. Fucking hypocrites.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Russia can't take Ukraine now. They couldn't take Finland in 1939.

There's zero evidence they could take Greenland, even if they wanted to.

Before you talk about spine did you not notice that your rambling, incontinent, bone-spurred hero has just shat the bed on Greenland and has acted like Putin's bitch at every opportunity. TACO, they call him, Trump Always Chickens Out.

Imagine being so pathetic that you'd literally cheerlead for a fat, orange nonce, actively threatening this country, economically and even militarily, just because he wants to own something that isn't his.

And I thought you right-wing nutters called yourself patriots. Fucking hypocrites.

We already have journalists hoping that he buys out the UK. Seriously weird behaviour.

 

[SBT]

So if the 5 year-old boy in Minneapolis HASN’T been detained, why is he currently in a federal detention centre in Texas? And is he free to go as soon as his next of kin are able to collect him? This, of course, under the assumption that the DHS version of the story is accurate.

 

[LarryGrayson]

I think there's a chance anyone on either side of this is lying, but if you outright believe these witnesses (the same kind of people who recently have been causing disturbances across cities, and as recently as last weekend stormed a church for the supposed greater good) then I don't know what to say to you. There's agendas all over the place, yet you've got people on here posting bits of fake news on here deliberately trying to wind people up without even taking the time to check it or give context.

the school said it the school itself

 

[LarryGrayson]

with respect

where

 

[Captain Dart]

To be honest I don't believe a single thing that comes out of their mouths. They murdered a US citizen in broad daylight and then told some barefaced lies to try and excuse it. You of course spent some time on here blaming the victim for what happened to her.

ICE should be shut down immediately.

But for some reason you accept anything from the Democrat party without question?

I'll keep saying it NO POLITICIANS CAN BE TRUSTED THEY ALL LIE ALL THE TIME AS SUITS THEIR AGENDA.

 

[Captain Dart]

you've got to be on the wind-up at this point. this is the same bunch who denied Trump confused Iceland and Greenland when a room full of people heard him.

Do you remember Biden mixing up the Presidents of Egypt and Mexico?

 

[mmttww]

Do you remember Biden mixing up the Presidents of Egypt and Mexico?

No. I thought he was a bit of a waste of space and shouldn't have been a candidate either time he ran.

 

[PVA]

Do you remember Biden mixing up the Presidents of Egypt and Mexico?

Yes but did his press secretary come out and deny it ever happened?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But for some reason you accept anything from the Democrat party without question?

I'll keep saying it NO POLITICIANS CAN BE TRUSTED THEY ALL LIE ALL THE TIME AS SUITS THEIR AGENDA.

Where do I accept anything the Democrats say? They’re a centre right party themselves.

 

[mmttww]

Recommend watching from about 3 mins as it's just mind meltingly good. Vance smiling like he's dropped an edible while the Donald sacks off the press conference to look at the snow and talk about his ballroom. It's like Waiting for Godot with fake tan and Turkey teeth.