chiefdave
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Captain Dart
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He proposed a change in mission for the NHS to make it available to insured foreign health tourists while simultaneously restricting it's availability to health tourists seeking free health care and using that insurance income to improve and expand the facilities available to UK citizens.
I'm not sure the demand is there and it would not be simple to demand and collect the insurance monies but at the moment I think most people agree in many respects the NHS it is a complete disaster that only seems to get worse and surely something has to change.
He also talked about the NHS moving towards the public/private model used by the German and French health systems are much better than the NHS by all accounts.
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chiefdave
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Took that as more of a footnote than a 'this will solve everything' proposal.
How are we quadrupling hospital capacity to enable this to happen? We have neither the infrastructure or the staff.
Not sure using education as an example of how we want to run this proposed NHS is a good idea. The university sector is in crisis with many institutions facing serious finanical issues. The reason? A reliance on overseas students. Not sure modelling the NHS to do the same is viable.
chiefdave
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A lot of this matches what I've experianced with my Dad. Never ending appointments and tests but little in the way of diagnosis or treatment. Then when he ended up in hospital he got stuck there as they couldn't find anywhere to discharge him to.
From what I was told a very common problem as private care home are only really interested in those that require basic care yet pay a considerable amount, or rather the council or NHS pays for them. When it comes to people with complex care needs, an ever increasing section of the population, there's a very limited number of places available.
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From what I was told a very common problem as private care home are only really interested in those that require basic care yet pay a considerable amount, or rather the council or NHS pays for them. When it comes to people with complex care needs, an ever increasing section of the population, there's a very limited number of places available.
Why the NHS wastes billions on patients who shouldn't be in hospital
The delayed discharge challenge throws up deeper questions about the care system, co-ordination - and whether some patients are over-treated
www.bbc.co.uk
Marty
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A lot of this matches what I've experianced with my Dad. Never ending appointments and tests but little in the way of diagnosis or treatment. Then when he ended up in hospital he got stuck there as they couldn't find anywhere to discharge him to.
From what I was told a very common problem as private care home are only really interested in those that require basic care yet pay a considerable amount, or rather the council or NHS pays for them. When it comes to people with complex care needs, an ever increasing section of the population, there's a very limited number of places available.
Why the NHS wastes billions on patients who shouldn't be in hospital
The delayed discharge challenge throws up deeper questions about the care system, co-ordination - and whether some patients are over-treated
Maybe we need a cultural shift and start to do these things for our parents ourselves.
The Philosopher
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Let’s start with what we all agree on:
The healthcare system is broken and bloated.
Rightly or wrongly, Turkey has a booming trade in cosmetic procedures which employs nurses and support staff and consumes medical equipment and supplies. It also provides footfall for local Hospitality industry.
The UK is still home to manufacturing of some medical equipment such as bladed items and has the ability to manufacture specialist machinery.
The US health system is absolutely bonkers expensive.
Park those 3 items.
Suggestion:
Build teaching hospitals on a university model.
Build a raft of new hospital infrastructure (costs money but creates jobs) and equipment and provide training.
Make the UK a go to destination for cutting edge treatments, let the private sector enjoy the potential footfall externally.
Economies of scale SHOULD give us more NHS capacity at a proportionally lower cost.
Tempting ethical health tourism from places like the USA for certain treatments dilutes overhead and contributes to GDP
Personally I’d find a way of providing a degree of free healthcare for the neediest in the world as a direct switch for the Foreign Aid bill; rather than send money to other countries provide emergency care, medial missionaries at an equitable value.
chiefdave
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Not sure making all offspring fully medically trained is going to work tbh. Not sure where I'd put the MRI scanner or x-ray machines either.
Grendel
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To be fair a lot of the people in care homes don’t need full medical training and most care homes I’ve seen aren’t exactly highly medical trained either
The Philosopher
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First aid trained should be a minimum. Able to spot various symptoms such as stroke or seizure. Able to monitor temp and BP.
Modern smartwatches can read vital signs.
Our youth should be trained in first aid and general elderly / post op care (hygiene, hydration etc).
Where’s the problem there?
The Philosopher
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Our youth should also be trained in basic childcare also. It baffles me why a couple of weeks basic training isn’t given to everyone.
chiefdave
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There's no problem there but that's not going to do anything to help the issues I mentioned or the article references.
The system grinds to a halt when care is needed over and above what can be provided at home by the family. Whether its at the lower end, with occasion visits by carers to the home, or the higher end, with people needing round the clock specialised treatment, the same problem remains. There is no capacity so people don't get discharged from hospital.
A lot of this matches what I've experianced with my Dad. Never ending appointments and tests but little in the way of diagnosis or treatment. Then when he ended up in hospital he got stuck there as they couldn't find anywhere to discharge him to.
From what I was told a very common problem as private care home are only really interested in those that require basic care yet pay a considerable amount, or rather the council or NHS pays for them. When it comes to people with complex care needs, an ever increasing section of the population, there's a very limited number of places available.
Why the NHS wastes billions on patients who shouldn't be in hospital
The delayed discharge challenge throws up deeper questions about the care system, co-ordination - and whether some patients are over-treated
Been saying it for years, we keep ploughing more and more into the NHS when if a decent chunk of that cash was focussed into intermediate social care (ideally attached/close to hospitals) it would free up immediate capacity in hospitals
‘Denmark, for example, has created a national network of "intermediate care beds" in community hospitals and care homes, staffed by nurses and carers, that patients can be discharged into’
It’s not rocket science. The nhs will keep plodding along in the same way it always has though, not looking at alternative ways of doing stuff, inefficient, complaining about lack of money, unions striking when more cash is made available etc…..and everyone wondering why things aren’t improving
Marty
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That's obviously what I meant, but no reason you can't learn the medical basics, vast majority of the time you'll be just keeping them company and doing basic tasks.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Mucca Mad Boys
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It’s a coup for Reform to be fair. Although it’s quite funny people unearthing a tweet where Farage hammers Sunak for not sacking, you guessed it… Nadhim Zahawi.Nadhim Zahawi joining Reform, another stellar recruit
It’s going to look pretty ridiculous people calling Reform ‘fascist’ an ‘far right’ when they will probably have most Muslims in their top team going into the next election.
Zahawi, Cunningham and Yusef all successful stories of integration and well placed to fight radical Islam.
Hmmmm, not convinced it’s a coup. He’s a ‘name’ I suppose and he might help some of the arguments over racism but as an individual I’m not a fan of his. Doesn’t surprise me he’s landed at Reform
There’s also an old tweet from Zahawi where he calls Farage’s past comments racist and says “I would be frightened to live in a country run by you”
Not sure if Reform’s anti-establishment brand is helped by stacking their ranks with former Tory cabinet ministers.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Zahawi was popular with Tory members iirc. The problem Reform has, is that needs talented people to join its ranks rather than party appointees.
The big question mark many voters have about Reform are:
1. Can Farage work with other people effectively
2. Does it have the expertise to run government effectively
This is a problem the Greens will also face if they break through. At the current polling, the Greens are likely to cause Labour to drop to a rump of parliamentary seats.
Really? That’s hilarious.
In fairness, politics is a vicious game and they’re both competing for the same votes way back when. Farage has been well liked by most Tory members and even figures.
I’ll be shocked if Suella Braverman is not a Reform candidate at the next GE.
A 'couple of weeks' of training for basic childcare?
I agree that first aid should be compulsory, that's only a days teaching, but I'm not sure why everyone needs a few weeks training in childcare.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Great stuff, cheered on by @SIR ERNIE I see. What do you suggest the millions of fired people get up to once you have kicked them out of work?
SIR ERNIE
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Inglorious Basterds is such a great film. Have you seen it?
Tarantino at his best.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s my favourite Tarantino film, Christoph Walz is brilliant.
Not what I asked though sadly.
Captain Dart
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Shocking move. Zahawi is a crook in my eyes.Nadhim Zahawi joining Reform, another stellar recruit
Brighton Sky Blue
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Tory sources claiming he only switched because Kemi Badenoch wouldn’t give him a peerage.
Sky Blue Pete
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Won’t matter reform sheep will lap it up
Grendel
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Well you lap up everything Starmer does
Sky Blue Pete
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Not at all as I’ve shown time and time again
Just haven’t jumped on the bizarre one month in that he’s at the same time a communist and the most right wing government in history
skybluetony176
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I wonder how many establishment politicians from the Tories have to join the Reform ranks for Reform to be no longer considered the anti establishment party.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s already at that point and the gullible just nod and march
The Philosopher
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Train to be NHS staff.
Brighton Sky Blue
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In all seriousness, you sack a load of people off without any jobs for them to go into and that welfare bill some of you are obsessed with gets a whole lot bigger.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Find productive work elsewhere? If someone is unproductive, then we definitely do not want them being on the government payroll.
You were obviously being sarcastic in the first instance but co’mon, if someone is unproductive in any role (private or public), it’s best that they go elsewhere in the economy. At least with private businesses, if they fail they’re not always bailed out using public money.
Well, gold plated public sector pensions cost a lot of money that isn’t actually funded. It’s a government IOU and the costs are spiralling year in year.
So they already add to welfare bill…
Grendel
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In reality the country long term would save money due to the pension schemes guarantee
Grendel
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Are you still a ukip man or is it Reform now Tony?