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[Jamesimus]

He’s just a not particularly good footballer but seems to have a lovely personality and professional attitude. He’ll earn his place at another club and probably do okay I think. I doubt he is enjoying not playing.

 

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[Hobo]

Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on

 

[blunted]

and played a lot of minutes for us since his arrival from Swansea

Im confused by your response, you appear to be saying we are stuck with him, even if we want to off load him.

I'd suggest that even if fit, hes not going to get any game time, when hes been played before, he has covered at RB, and DMF as well as CH. We now have plenty of cover at RB and DMF, so that only leaves him as 4th choice CH now, and seeing as hes not going to be challenging our preferred 2 CH's and Woolfenden is next in line (and a Lampard signing) where does he fit in?

I'd suggest its better for both parties if he moves on ASAP. That way he gets game time, and we get to use the vacant squad place to bring in a player capable of making the step up to the PL.
Yes that costs money, but we are at that stage now to justify the investment.

I believe it would be nigh impossible to realise the value of a player who is working his way back to fitness, especially in January. Clubs want a player who can start immediately.
Where we differ is in our assessment of his ability. Providing his injury has not effected his form (see Bidders and O'Hare when he first came back), then to my mind he is a quality Championship player with a great pedigree. Really experienced,154 Championship games and has played a lot of minutes for us. He is at that age where players usually get better.
Previous England U17 World Cup winner and when fit, a first choice for Jamaica.
There is a tendency on here to write off players too soon if they are injured. Eccles in particular has suffered from this. JDS was completely written off by some who could not see pure footballing ability.
Obviously, we are not going to agree. Time will tell.

 

[Jamesimus]

Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on

Im not complaining. I don’t want to move him on, just think character-wise he won’t be happy with essentially zero game time. He is currently back-up to a back-up!

The only position he has looked capable in for us is centre back, and Woolfenden will certainly be getting in ahead of him.

 

[SBT]

There is no benefit whatsoever to moving him on and we're not going to sign a PL-ready centre-back in January.

He's not as good as our current starters, and he's not getting regular football - good! This is how squads are supposed to work!

 

[procdoc]

Lati gets some stick but he’s a perfectly serviceable championship player. He’s also got good leadership qualities and apparently isn’t the type to kick off about not starting. We will need him at some stage

 

[steve101]

His pace is his limitation but he is a solid, aggressive defender who reads the game well. I mentioned on another thread, I don't believe Keiffer Moore would have bullied him as he did Woolfie, despite Lati being a lot shorter.
I remember Preston away last season where he was brilliant and one diving header from our 6 yard box to stop a certain goal, at risk of being clattered.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on

Literally nobody is saying this?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

His pace is his limitation but he is a solid, aggressive defender who reads the game well. I mentioned on another thread, I don't believe Keiffer Moore would have bullied him as he did Woolfie, despite Lati being a lot shorter.
I remember Preston away last season where he was brilliant and one diving header from our 6 yard box to stop a certain goal, at risk of being clattered.

This is the problem with him really. In terms of ability he's perfectly capable at this level and his height isn't that much of a limitation as he's got a great leap on him.

He's just painfully slow so is vulnerable to losing is marker or being caught in behind.

 

[fatso]

Fans are funny. Complain about the lack of squad depth and then when a fairly decent player at this level can’t get in the team they want to move him on

The really funny thing is that you've just admitted he cant get in the team, and yet your suggesting he should stick around.
Have you any idea how fucking insane that sounds?

Why would he watch his career stagnate, while knowing hes not getting in the team?
Why the fuck would we pay him and lose a squad place, knowing he ain't getting in the team?

He needs to move on to a team that needs him and would play him, teams like Norwich or Sheffield Utd (just for eg) where he would be a success, and probably a fans favourite.

That would free up a squad place here, for Frank to bring his own kind of player in, hopefully one that could develop into a PL player next season.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Lati wants to play, he’s not going to get a game here unless he have at least 2 injuries/suspensions, it’s a simple as that.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Move him on in Jan.

Why are you desperate to weaken the squad? Move him on and we've got one alternative senior centre back to Thomas and Kitching

 

[fernandopartridge]

The really funny thing is that you've just admitted he cant get in the team, and yet your suggesting he should stick around.
Have you any idea how fucking insane that sounds?

Why would he watch his career stagnate, while knowing hes not getting in the team?
Why the fuck would we pay him and lose a squad place, knowing he ain't getting in the team?

He needs to move on to a team that needs him and would play him, teams like Norwich or Sheffield Utd (just for eg) where he would be a success, and probably a fans favourite.

That would free up a squad place here, for Frank to bring his own kind of player in, hopefully one that could develop into a PL player next season.

Christ, on the one hand you're saying there is no point keeping players who aren't guaranteed starters and on the other we need to free up a squad place

 

[SBAndy]

Lati gets some stick but he’s a perfectly serviceable championship player. He’s also got good leadership qualities and apparently isn’t the type to kick off about not starting. We will need him at some stage

Would imagine there’s a conversation either to be had, or already had, that he’ll stick around til the end of the season then we’ll let him go where he wants.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Think I remember reading in one of the daily mail pieces how the professionalism of Lati, Bidwell and Allen maintain the high standards in training.

Generally get why he’d want to go, but there’s no need now. We’ve got positions without back ups to fill before we look to upgrade players, not to mention the potential that anyone we bring in for Jan could be surplus to requirements next season

 

[TomRad85]

I don't rate him at all but no point moving on unless another comes in. Guess we could go back for Neilsen if we think he's a talent worth pursuing.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

We've got bigger fish to fry in the transfer window than getting rid of our 4th choice CB and replacing him.

 

[fatso]

Christ, on the one hand you're saying there is no point keeping players who aren't guaranteed starters and on the other we need to free up a squad place

Let me explain it to you so a child can understand.

Lats isnt getting a game, he isnt going to get a game unless we lose 2 of the 3 players ahead of him, and even then there's no guarantee that Bidwell may be asked to cover instead of lats. So he ain't getting a game!!!!

Still with me?

Now if we accept that he ain't getting a game, we would be better off selling him or loaning him, or even (as a last resort) paying up his contract so he can move on.

That would then allow us to bring in another CH to add to the squad to add depth and the much needed competition for places that Lats has failed to offer.

Do you understand now???? If not go and show this post to a grown up and ask them to explain it to you.

There's a good boy.

 

[Frank Sidebottom]

Let me explain it to you so a child can understand.

Lats isnt getting a game, he isnt going to get a game unless we lose 2 of the 3 players ahead of him, and even then there's no guarantee that Bidwell may be asked to cover instead of lats. So he ain't getting a game!!!!

Still with me?

Now if we accept that he ain't getting a game, we would be better off selling him or loaning him, or even (as a last resort) paying up his contract so he can move on.

That would then allow us to bring in another CH to add to the squad to add depth and the much needed competition for places that Lats has failed to offer.

Do you understand now???? If not go and show this post to a grown up and ask them to explain it to you.

There's a good boy.

So we get rid our 4th choice CB with around 150 appearances in the Championship and replace him with someone who will also be our 4th choice CB? Or are we signing someone to replace Kitching or Thomas at CB and move Woolfy down the pecking order?

 

[fatso]

So we get rid our 4th choice CB with around 150 appearances in the Championship and replace him with someone who will also be our 4th choice CB? Or are we signing someone to replace Kitching or Thomas at CB and move Woolfy down the pecking order?

Jesus fucking wept! are all the thick cunts out today or what?

Where did I say we buy a 4th choice CH .

I suggested we off load a player who offers no competition and replace with someone who does,
Maybe we buy someone who could be better than Kitching or Thomas.

Understand yet????

 

[skybluecam]

Jesus fucking wept! are all the thick cunts out today or what?

Where did I say we buy a 4th choice CH .

I suggested we off load a player who offers no competition and replace with someone who does,
Maybe we buy someone who could be better than Kitching or Thomas.

Understand yet????

Doesn't really make sense to do that after spending a decent chunk on Woolf in the summer.

Also there's no way Bidwell plays at CB if they're both fully fit. Lati is considerably better than him there.

 

[fatso]

Doesn't really make sense to do that after spending a decent chunk on Woolf in the summer.

Also there's no way Bidwell plays at CB if they're both fully fit. Lati is considerably better than him there.

Ffs

What doesn't make sense in replacing a player who offers no competition with one that does (or could)

Tell me what doesn't make sense about that??? Because im starting to lose the will with the idiots on here.

Or am I being wummed

 

[skybluecam]

Ffs

What doesn't make sense in replacing a player who offers no competition with one that does (or could)

Tell me what doesn't make sense about that??? Because im starting to lose the will with the idiots on here.

Or am I being wummed

Your 4th choice CB generally isn't going to be "competing" anyway? They're mainly there in case of multiple injuries/suspensions.

Lati is perfectly fine to play that role.

 

[blunted]

I'm pretty sure Lati doesn't see himself as 4th choice. He is coming back from injury, so no he is not currently competing for a place. His previously guaranteed place with Jamaica is not available now, because he is not up to speed after his injury.
The purpose of a squad is to put pressure on the incumbent in the team. Prove you are better than them, or ensure they perform well enough to keep their place. If they get injured or suspended, step up and try to keep your place. Duh, football 101.
Some on here contend he is not good enough. Lati gets his fitness back, lets see where we go from there on in.

 

[JSL]

I am pretty sure he was the first signing MR made in the summer after Doug took over. How things have moved on since then

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Let me explain it to you so a child can understand.

Lats isnt getting a game, he isnt going to get a game unless we lose 2 of the 3 players ahead of him, and even then there's no guarantee that Bidwell may be asked to cover instead of lats. So he ain't getting a game!!!!

Still with me?

Now if we accept that he ain't getting a game, we would be better off selling him or loaning him, or even (as a last resort) paying up his contract so he can move on.

That would then allow us to bring in another CH to add to the squad to add depth and the much needed competition for places that Lats has failed to offer.

Do you understand now???? If not go and show this post to a grown up and ask them to explain it to you.

There's a good boy.

Why would we go to all that trouble (and potential expense if you want to pay up his contract) to bring in another CH? At that point does Woolfenden become our fourth choice CB and not getting a game, so we should go through the same procedure with him at that point?

A fourth choice CB isn't likely to play and to have someone with Lati's experience and ability in that role is useful. To find an equivalent to take that squad role would be pretty much impossible.

Now if we identify a potential attainable target that would be a first team player right now and potentially good enough to cope with PL football should we get promoted, and Lati would like to leave to get more minutes, then we should do what we can to entertain that request by trying to enable a transfer for him (paying up his contract is ludicrous).

But if we don't get that player then there's no point messing around with the CB's we currently have in the squad.

 

[TomRad85]

I will point out that although we will have priority positions and we all agree those are further forward, if targets become available at the right time they will move for them whether we think its a priority or not. The club didn't bid for Neilsen because they wanted a 4th choice centre back, they bid because they think he's a good talent. If the deal is there in Jan, we could well return to that.

 

[Hobo]

The really funny thing is that you've just admitted he cant get in the team, and yet your suggesting he should stick around.
Have you any idea how fucking insane that sounds?

Why would he watch his career stagnate, while knowing hes not getting in the team?
Why the fuck would we pay him and lose a squad place, knowing he ain't getting in the team?

He needs to move on to a team that needs him and would play him, teams like Norwich or Sheffield Utd (just for eg) where he would be a success, and probably a fans favourite.

That would free up a squad place here, for Frank to bring his own kind of player in, hopefully one that could develop into a PL player next season.

if you have a settled back four, four squad players aren’t getting in the team. Let’s sell four squad players - how insane is your logic.

 

[fatso]

if you have a settled back four, four squad players aren’t getting in the team. Let’s sell four squad players - how insane is your logic.

You realise your just making yourself look stupid now dont you?

 

[Hobo]

Im not complaining. I don’t want to move him on, just think character-wise he won’t be happy with essentially zero game time. He is currently back-up to a back-up!

The only position he has looked capable in for us is centre back, and Woolfenden will certainly be getting in ahead of him.

He has been injured so can’t complain about the lack of game time. Do you think three centre backs is all the squad needs - bizarre!

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Don't you just love this forum, no football, so let's insult each other. 🫣

 

[Hobo]

You realise you’re just making yourself look stupid now dont you?

Why would Woolfenden be any less happy than Lati? Okay if Lati goes what level of player are you bringing in? Let’s say Thomas gets injured, Woolfenden goes in the team what is your bench looking like. Especially as Kitching is vulnerable to yellows and suspension. The landscape can change quickly.

Not as stupid as you saying paying up his contract is a sensible option

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ffs

What doesn't make sense in replacing a player who offers no competition with one that does (or could)

Tell me what doesn't make sense about that??? Because im starting to lose the will with the idiots on here.

Or am I being wummed

What's the point in having four players competing for two CH spots when we've got other areas of the pitch where there isn't any competition for a place?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Don’t get why so many people rate him. He's not “serviceable” or “decent”, every time he plays we leak goals.

Some of you lot would have persevered with Lati and Binks and we’d be nowhere near top.

 

[stevefloyd]

and played a lot of minutes for us since his arrival from Swansea

I believe it would be nigh impossible to realise the value of a player who is working his way back to fitness, especially in January. Clubs want a player who can start immediately.
Where we differ is in our assessment of his ability. Providing his injury has not effected his form (see Bidders and O'Hare when he first came back), then to my mind he is a quality Championship player with a great pedigree. Really experienced,154 Championship games and has played a lot of minutes for us. He is at that age where players usually get better.
Previous England U17 World Cup winner and when fit, a first choice for Jamaica.
There is a tendency on here to write off players too soon if they are injured. Eccles in particular has suffered from this. JDS was completely written off by some who could not see pure footballing ability.
Obviously, we are not going to agree. Time will tell.

In reply to JDS , he was initially a liability with balls over the top. He was making mistakes and costing us goals but he has settled down into a decent player earning call ups for international duty so yes a lot of us, myself included, could see the now and I think he has surprised many a person how he has turned out!