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Immigration and Asylum (15 Viewers)
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Sounds like he's already made a lot of deposits.
Mucca Mad Boys
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In fairness, why should the French effectively police Britain's borders? It isn't in France's national interest to keep these people in their country. It's why this 'one in, one out' deal is doomed to fail because there's nothing stopping people reentering the UK.
This is fundamentally why the solution to 'stopping the boats' involves turning boats around in the Channel, offshore processing and returning people to their country of origin.
Australia had this problem in the 2000s/2010s, they tried paying off the Indonesian government and this achieved nothing. The playbook for the UK government is there to copy and paste.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Except that Australia is surrounded by international waters so can do so without interfering with another country's waters. And the journey to Australia by boat is 10 times what it is from France to England. For an equivalent journey the shortest route to Australia would be the same as someone getting in a dinghy in the middle of Germany and heading towards the English south coast.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Because it reflects terribly on the French government that this humanitarian issue on their northern coast is being ignored and they’re allowing people to sail to their potential deaths.
Britain doesn’t have the authority to do the work of the French for them on French soil. My preference as previously mentioned is for jointly staffed processing centres in mainland Europe overseeing either a fair distribution of asylum claims or deportation back to country of origin.
Some and I imagine most European countries are hoping to ignore the issue and snigger as Brexit Britain fails to ‘control its borders’ but the problem will eventually become theirs too.
I somewhat agree with you MMB on the re-entering issue, although now they are taking biometrics of all who come by boat they have picked up a previous crosser and he will go straight back.
I would go even further (although how it might affect European Human Rights I don't know) but would announce across all media that anyone crossing by boat without documentation (you hear all the time of either the asylum seekers themselves destroying their own documentation or the people smugglers telling them to do it) would not be allowed entry to the UK and sent straight back, we could even pay to have leaflets airdropped to all of the camps on the French coast, telling everyone no papers no entry.
This would also help with identifying people and giving them the correct rights if needed, also it would stop the silly court cases (which we always seem to lose) on challenging mens ages when they declare as boys and the asylum judges always seem to come down on their side, in summary, we need to get tougher
CovValleyBoy
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Skyblur stalk. Solving the migrant crisis.
Honestly , get a job. Start your own business.
Pay some serious tax.
Honestly , get a job. Start your own business.
Pay some serious tax.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If you had mainland European processing centres overseeing a 'fair distribution' you'd probably find we'd have to accept more. Despite this idea that 'they're all coming here' the fact is that other countries take far more than we do.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Sent straight back to where though? Where's the proof they came from France, or anywhere else?
Unless there's an international holding centre for undocumented people, and good luck getting through the political mire to set that up.
OP
I feel it's something more sinister than that.someone big is driving this some nation or Nations!
Sick Boy
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It’s long been a problem in the EU; it’s not something that only affects Britain. Why should processing centres only be in mainland of the UK were to benefit? Why not have the across multiple European countries, including the UK?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Closer to points of entry on the continent was my reasoning, not for the UK to have some sort of exception.
Grendel
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Incredible
www.bbc.co.uk
Deng Majek guilty of murdering Rhiannon Whyte on Walsall platform
Rhiannon Whyte's family say there is "no end" to their pain, but urge people not to judge all asylum seekers on Deng Majek.
www.bbc.co.uk
Brighton Sky Blue
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A message worth remembering.
Grendel
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He was 27 and claimed to be 19 and wasn’t fleeing from persecution - he’d been bumming around Italy Germany and France before arriving here.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He is also pretending not to be able to speak English by the looks of it
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I was about to comment on this but for the opposite reason.
How much of a submissive and twisted state do we have to be as a country when someone comes into it illegally and murders your family member who was trying to help, only for the first thing you do is to turn around and try to play it all down. If we were tighter on our borders she would still be alive.
It is a message worth remembering for all the wrong reasons.
Brighton Sky Blue
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However they feel is valid, even if you disagree.
It needs reiterating that the refugee convention we are signed up to does not allow us to discriminate against asylum claims based on method of entry. On that basis you cannot illegally claim asylum.
We should simply never have been using hotels for this. Imagine some people got quite rich out of it though.
Grendel
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Christ
news.sky.com
Manhunt for Epping hotel asylum seeker, jailed for sexually assaulting girl, after accidental release
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 41, had been staying at The Bell Hotel in the Essex town, with the incident fuelling weeks of protests at the site.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s alright, David Lammy’s popped out to find himChrist
Manhunt for Epping hotel asylum seeker, jailed for sexually assaulting girl, after accidental release
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 41, had been staying at The Bell Hotel in the Essex town, with the incident fuelling weeks of protests at the site.
I’m pretty sure she’s entitled to say whatever she damn well likes.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Marty
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I'm laughing at the obvious forced propaganda.
Ccfcisparks
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From the mother of a murdered girl. Have some shame.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Propaganda forced by who?
Grendel
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I certainly wouldn’t be using Deliveroo until he’s caught again
Fucking hell this is low.
Calling a grieving mother twisted just because she doesn't hate foreign people as much as you.
Grim.
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SkyBlueDom26
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Hopefully someone finds the c**t before the police do and gives him a long and painful night, sick c**tChrist
Manhunt for Epping hotel asylum seeker, jailed for sexually assaulting girl, after accidental release
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 41, had been staying at The Bell Hotel in the Essex town, with the incident fuelling weeks of protests at the site.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No, what's low is that we've become an embarrassment of a country letting in anyone and everyone who are coming here and doing despicable things. You then get a reaction like this letting them and the people allowing it to happen off, which is just baffling, but says a lot. I'm actually married to a foreigner, but obviously have a bit more in the way of critical thinking than you.
You are acting more offended at my words than you are towards the criminal himself as well. Frankly you are a weak coward and part of this problem. It's easier for you to have a go at people who are enraged about stuff like this than murderers and rapists themselves. It is pathetic.
I would have a bit more leniency if we heard it from the victim directly, but we can't as she is dead.
SkyBlueDom26
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You’ll get put on ignore by him next, shows what a pathetic bloke he is
Nah, I'm just not enough of a c**t to tell a grieving mother what she should be thinking that's all.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The thing is that this man wasn’t let in, he was waiting for an asylum claim to be processed.
He was kept in a hotel because we couldn’t be arsed to hold people away from densely populated areas. His claim hadn’t been processed because we have too much of a backlog and not enough staff.
All the mother has said is let’s not smear all asylum seekers as being equivalent to this murderer. I don’t think that’s even a controversial statement.
