Recruitment (5 Viewers)

[SleepyGinger]

Dean Austin has taken some stick on here but I think overall the recruitment has been very good since he came in. Even the likes of Kitching and Asante are starting to look like good value signings. especially when you look at some of the dross going for big money in the championship at the moment.

 

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[TomRad85]

Dean Austin has taken some stick on here but I think overall the recruitment has been very good since he came in. Even the likes of Kitching and Asante are starting to look like good value signings. especially when you look at some of the dross going for big money in the championship at the moment.

Our recruitment compared to Birminghams overhyped recruitment is night and day. You're going to get 1 or 2 duds but overall Austin has done well.

 

[Sick Boy]

Lampard and the coaching team also deserve a lot of credit in helping them reach their potential.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Our recruitment compared to Birminghams overhyped recruitment is night and day. You're going to get 1 or 2 duds but overall Austin has done well.

I think Simms is the only one you could call a dud. Even then we have had decent value out of him when you look at cannon £10m, Idah £7m Kyogo £10m etc.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Think we needed to move on Bidwell and Allen and bring in cover in the wide areas

Rushworth looks excellent and kkh and woolfenden haven’t had a look in because Kitching Thomas and mve have raised their games

 

[TomRad85]

I think Simms is the only one you could call a dud. Even then we have had decent value out of him when you look at cannon £10m, Idah £7m Kyogo £10m etc.

Yeh you could go back and spend the Simms money better but compared to the above its not the end of the world is it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Birmingham have enough there for a solid mid table side, which is still where I think they’ll end up. The problem for them was our first 11 is a level above that.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Yeh you could go back and spend the Simms money better but compared to the above its not the end of the world is it.

We had to build a new squad that summer, if we got that wrong it could have set us back years. Overall it was very good recruitment.

 

[SAJ]

Can we really even suggest Simms is a dud? I don’t think so and the stats certainly would question it.
Looking at our strikers since we came back to the Championship.
Godden played 7618 minutes scored 36 goals at a rate of 1 goal per 211 minutes take the penalties out 1 every 238 minutes.
Gyokeres 8817 minutes 43 goals 1 every 205 minutes take the penalties out 1 every 226 minutes.
Wright 6303 minutes 37 goals 1 every 170 minutes minus penalties 1 every 210 minutes.
Simms 5839 minutes 27 goals 1 every 216 minutes no pens scored.

 

[mmttww]

We grabbed the bulk of our current first XI in one window then added EMC and Torp in that Jan which is a seriously impressive success rate. I make it 8 of the current first XI picked up in 6 months.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

When you look at the likes of Wright , MvE , Rudoni, Grimes and Kitching we arguably have the best players in their positions in the league

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Ill give you grimes and mve but not the others just yet

When you look at the likes of Wright , MvE , Rudoni, Grimes and Kitching we arguably have the best players in their positions in the league

 

[Flying Fokker]

I think Simms is the only one you could call a dud. Even then we have had decent value out of him when you look at cannon £10m, Idah £7m Kyogo £10m etc.

Harsh. He’s better than you say. He certainly looked strong yesterday after he came on.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Think we needed to move on Bidwell and Allen and bring in cover in the wide areas

Rushworth looks excellent and kkh and woolfenden haven’t had a look in because Kitching Thomas and mve have raised their games

Allen is the weaker of the 2. When he came on yesterday he looked lightweight. No doubt others have a different take on him but I’d be open to him moving on in January.

 

[ccfc1234]

Allen is the weaker of the 2. When he came on yesterday he looked lightweight. No doubt others have a different take on him but I’d be open to him moving on in January.

I think I did see it differently, when he came on he was neat and tidy and played it simple keeing the possession and flow of attacks up. Hard to judge a player against 10 men tbf. Do you recall in what moments he looked lightweight yesterday?

 

[steve101]

Think we needed to move on Bidwell and Allen and bring in cover in the wide areas

Rushworth looks excellent and kkh and woolfenden haven’t had a look in because Kitching Thomas and mve have raised their games

I don't think we needed to move Bidwell and Allen on this year - both decent squad players. Bidwell can cover at centre back if required, which may be needed over the season, and Allen provides good energy from the bench and rarely lets us down, as was the case yesterday.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think we needed to move Bidwell and Allen on this year - both decent squad players. Bidwell can cover at centre back if required, which may be needed over the season, and Allen provides good energy from the bench and rarely lets us down, as was the case yesterday.

At the moment he’s second choice LB

 

[SBT]

While there have certainly been some overpays in there, the only big money signing of Austin’s that hasn’t contributed to the first team’s success so far has been Bassette, and that’s a pretty good hit record.

 

[Frostie]

Harsh. He’s better than you say. He certainly looked strong yesterday after he came on.

Kyogo? Looked miles out of his depth. Gave it away literally every time he touched it & his 'first touch' was worse than anything we've ever seen from Simms. The fact he's 30 & couldn't even make the matchday squad towards the end of his time in France was a huge red flag at gambling £10m on him but Brum have more money than sense. There's possibly a player in there but he's got an awful lot of work to do to get up to the speed of this league. Scoring goals in a pub league proves very little.

 

[fatso]

Can we really even suggest Simms is a dud? I don’t think so and the stats certainly would question it.
Looking at our strikers since we came back to the Championship.
Godden played 7618 minutes scored 36 goals at a rate of 1 goal per 211 minutes take the penalties out 1 every 238 minutes.
Gyokeres 8817 minutes 43 goals 1 every 205 minutes take the penalties out 1 every 226 minutes.
Wright 6303 minutes 37 goals 1 every 170 minutes minus penalties 1 every 210 minutes.
Simms 5839 minutes 27 goals 1 every 216 minutes no pens scored.

All the strikers have scored reasonably consistently, except Simms who had an all to brief purple patch which has skewed his stats somewhat.

There's also been times when he's been accused of not giving 100%, and he has definitely passed up an awful lot of easy chances to score, like yesterday when clean through, he used his strength well enough to hold the defender off but his final effort was absolutely pathetic, fortunately Torp was on hand to do the job properly.
If Gyokeres was running through on goal like Simms was you'd put your house on him busting the net.

In short there's a reason Simms is third choice out of 3 strikers, and with BTA having 3 goals to his name despite being played out of position, I cant see Simms getting a start any time soon.

Ideally he'd move on in January but I doubt there would be a long queue of takers, which means he will probably run down his contract before moving on.

But ..... (there's always a but)
His purple patch did contribute to our playoff push, and he was part of the F.A cup run that should of seen us get to the final, so I wouldn't call him a complete dud, but I would say he needs a new challenge, probably at a team that plays 2 big centre forwards which would suit his game better.

 

[DT-R]

Allen is the weaker of the 2. When he came on yesterday he looked lightweight. No doubt others have a different take on him but I’d be open to him moving on in January.

Allen is a strange one. When Allen has a good game, he's the best player on the pitch. Look how he dictated that Sunderland 3-0 game. When he plays like that, he could even keep Grimes out the starting 11. It's just a shame that those games are once in a blue moon.

He certainly does have it in him to change a game from the bench. He's just not likely to be able to do it very often.

Good squad player for a championship team, but we really need the next level to be able to get to and compete at the next level.

The same goes for Lati, Bidwell, Wilson, and you could probably put Eccles in there, too! All great servants. All will do a job. But we're talking about promotion and survival in the prem. We will need players in our starting XI on the bench (quality wise) and even better on the pitch.

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[Ccfcisparks]

Allen is a strange one. When Allen has a good game, he's the best player on the pitch. Look how he dictated that Sunderland 3-0 game. When he plays like that, he could even keep Grimes out the starting 11. It's just a shame that those games are once in a blue moon.

He certainly does have it in him to change a game from the bench. He's just not likely to be able to do it very often.

Good squad player for a championship team, but we really need the next level to be able to get to and compete at the next level.

The same goes for Lati, Bidwell, Wilson, and you could probably put Eccles in there, too! All great servants. All will do a job. But we're talking about promotion and survival in the prem. We will need players in our starting XI on the bench (quality wise) and even better on the pitch.

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There is absolutely no scenario in which Lampard ever keeps Grimes out the team for Allen.

 

[DT-R]

There is absolutely no scenario in which Lampard ever keeps Grimes out the team for Allen.

I never suggested he would. He's far too inconsistent. This is why I said that if he could make his 1 in 30 outstanding games become a 25 in 30 and be a LOT more consistent, he'd be up there with the best CM in the league. However, he doesn't, which is why he's on the bench and has been since he's been at the club!

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[Cally Fedora]

You have to factor in what they’re working with. It’s not mega bucks in today’s market. Yet we’ve got a top 6 championship squad.

 

[SAJ]

All the strikers have scored reasonably consistently, except Simms who had an all to brief purple patch which has skewed his stats somewhat.

There's also been times when he's been accused of not giving 100%, and he has definitely passed up an awful lot of easy chances to score, like yesterday when clean through, he used his strength well enough to hold the defender off but his final effort was absolutely pathetic, fortunately Torp was on hand to do the job properly.
If Gyokeres was running through on goal like Simms was you'd put your house on him busting the net.

In short there's a reason Simms is third choice out of 3 strikers, and with BTA having 3 goals to his name despite being played out of position, I cant see Simms getting a start any time soon.

Ideally he'd move on in January but I doubt there would be a long queue of takers, which means he will probably run down his contract before moving on.

But ..... (there's always a but)
His purple patch did contribute to our playoff push, and he was part of the F.A cup run that should of seen us get to the final, so I wouldn't call him a complete dud, but I would say he needs a new challenge, probably at a team that plays 2 big centre forwards which would suit his game better.

Have to disagree with this.
True he scored half his goals in a 5 month period but that’s exactly why you have to look at total goals scored against minutes played. It’s far easier to score if your starting a game and given 75 minutes opposed to coming off the bench for the last 15 minutes.
Most strikers have purple patches then periods where they can’t score. Even Gyokeres who went 15 matches without scoring in 21/22. Yet scored 17 goals that season.
Wright has been consistently accused of not putting in 100% yet has a far superior return of goals to minutes played off all 4.
Yes Gyokeres may well have scored the opportunity Simms didn’t score (but was constantly fouled at the time) but let’s not kid ourselves of how many sitters Gyokeres missed as well. You only have to look at the sitter Wright missed at about the 70th to see all forwards miss easy chances not just Simms.
Don’t for 1 minutes disagree Simms is 3rd choice striker but you use an example of a player who has played 3 times as many minutes, starting 7 matches against a player who has started 2 matches who coincidentally has a better scoring ratio of goals scored than minutes played despite only starting 2 matches.
All strikers are different, if you play to their strengths they will score and Gyokeres is possibly the best example we have of that. Gyokeres was a far better striker when on his own up front than when Godden played along side him, other than penalties they both scored in the same game in 1 match in 3 seasons when they both played more than 2/3 each that’s 1 game in 42 matches.

 

[Evo1883]

Dean Austin has taken some stick on here but I think overall the recruitment has been very good since he came in. Even the likes of Kitching and Asante are starting to look like good value signings. especially when you look at some of the dross going for big money in the

Recruitment was always good tbh .. many of these players got us to a cup semi and finished 9th , then finished 5th .

 

[fatso]

Have to disagree with this.
True he scored half his goals in a 5 month period but that’s exactly why you have to look at total goals scored against minutes played. It’s far easier to score if your starting a game and given 75 minutes opposed to coming off the bench for the last 15 minutes.
Most strikers have purple patches then periods where they can’t score. Even Gyokeres who went 15 matches without scoring in 21/22. Yet scored 17 goals that season.
Wright has been consistently accused of not putting in 100% yet has a far superior return of goals to minutes played off all 4.
Yes Gyokeres may well have scored the opportunity Simms didn’t score (but was constantly fouled at the time) but let’s not kid ourselves of how many sitters Gyokeres missed as well. You only have to look at the sitter Wright missed at about the 70th to see all forwards miss easy chances not just Simms.
Don’t for 1 minutes disagree Simms is 3rd choice striker but you use an example of a player who has played 3 times as many minutes, starting 7 matches against a player who has started 2 matches who coincidentally has a better scoring ratio of goals scored than minutes played despite only starting 2 matches.
All strikers are different, if you play to their strengths they will score and Gyokeres is possibly the best example we have of that. Gyokeres was a far better striker when on his own up front than when Godden played along side him, other than penalties they both scored in the same game in 1 match in 3 seasons when they both played more than 2/3 each that’s 1 game in 42 matches.

You have to earn the right to start games, and Simms hasn't. That's why Lampard doesn't play him, and that's why he's third choice.
If we bring another striker in during the January window, then Simms will be fourth choice. Those are the only stats that matter.