Do you want to discuss boring politics? (26 Viewers)

[Saddlebrains]

They don't but you're giving too much credit to the average voter who doesnt post on politics discussions and has all of the msm telling them everything is shit, broken and expensive.

It is shit, broken and expensive. This is being experience up and down the country say in day out. Hence why reform will be the next government

I dont see how anyone can be in denial about it

 

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[David O'Day]

The next election will be in 2029, things can and likely will look very different then.

The Miliband lead Labour party were once 12 points clear much closer to a GE than we are.

Polls mean very little when you are this far out from an election.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I agree with you that the cost of living is ridiculous and the emergency services are often an embarrassment. Fair enough if you wouldn’t trust the Tories or Labour to fix it (I don’t either). And fair enough if you think Reform’s policies to fix those things are better than the alternatives. But why say that if you don’t know what the actual policies are?

I think id vote for Colenel Gadaffi at the moment, tbh mate. I just want change

 

[mmttww]

neither main party offers anything but the same grey mushy gruel for a lot of the population so for them how’s it going to be worse?

Yeah, this is it. Hard to argue otherwise atm for me.

 

[rob9872]

It is shit, broken and expensive. This is being experience up and down the country say in day out. Hence why reform will be the next government

I dont see how anyone can be in denial about it

I'm agreeing with you, just saying that they have no policies to combat anything. Their mandate would be given on the basis that they're 'not the other lot' which is pretty much how Labour were given an opportunity in the last GE.

If Labour are smart, they still have over three years to rectify things and I think they can, as an election isn't tomorrow, but if they carry on as they are, they'll be finished too.

 

[David O'Day]

I think id vote for Colenel Gadaffi at the moment, tbh mate. I just want change

It's been just over a year since the last election. It does take time to try and reverse 14 years of managed decline.

 

[Grendel]

No, but you have to question why it’s Reform that benefits rather than say, the Greens or Lib Dems.

Well I can’t see a party led by a man whose main claim to fame is he believed he could hypnotise women into getting their breasts enlarged to be gaining that much traction and there’s only so many times we can see Ed Davey fall into a lake.

 

[Sick Boy]

I don’t think it really matters. People do underestimate Farage. He’s a bit like Alec Salmond - pretty skilled at whipping people up over an issue and getting many engaged.

I think he will run out of steam and unless gets some real hard hitters from the Tory Party get a bit exposed in an election.

The reality is though neither main party offers anything but the same grey mushy gruel for a lot of the population so for them how’s it going to be worse?

I agree with you. At this point I think most people couldn't care less about policies. I think there's a very good chance he'll become PM and will be surprised if he doesn't. As has been said though, if/when things don't actually improve for the average person, what comes next?

 

[Saddlebrains]

It's been just over a year since the last election. It does take time to try and reverse 14 years of managed decline.

I agree, and i think we all hope to see some progress. I hope we do, because surely this shit sandwich we all have to swallow whilst paying our taxes for every month cant get worse. Can it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I doubt that. Labour will be obliterated like the tories

Things is with this, the whole rhetoric of reform voters being racist etc doesnt stack up does it?

This shows that Reform as it stands will almost get a full majority. Is the whole country now suddenly racist? I dont think so. I think the fact you can get a Tesco shop to your door quicker than a copper, waiting 15 hours for an Ambulance and no one having any money to ever do anything despite working their bollocks off says more on this projection

I fully agree with those frustrations but think Reform are completely the wrong answer and will make it worse. Shows to me that an effective centre left party would wipe the floor and stay in for a generation.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Im assuming were all very similar in what we want on here

A safe world for our children where they can prosper
Criminals dealt with harshly
Illegal migration to be rectified
An NHS that works and protects us all
Some more expendable income to enjoy our lives instead of it all being taken away from us by greedy profiteering corps

 

[rob9872]

Why does everyone keep saying 14 years? If we apply the same logic the first term was a coalition, the second was clearing up all those years since 96 of 'not being in power, then it was Brexit and Covid resulting in huge Furlough payments and global recession. I'm not suggesting they were good or did anything to be proud of, but to say they were at fault for everything happening now is equally disingenuous and I'm pretty sure if it had been a Labour gov't during those years, we'd be reading excuses. Yes Labour haven't been in long, but their tenure so far is pretty poor and I don't even see shoots of recovery that they've implemented. Hopefully the next three years improves that.

 

[David O'Day]

Why does everyone keep saying 14 years? If we apply the same logic the first term was a coalition, the second was clearing up all those years since 96 of 'not being in power, then it was Brexit and Covid resulting in huge Furlough payments and global recession. I'm not suggesting they were good or did anything to be proud of, but to say they were at fault for everything happening now is equally disingenuous and I'm pretty sure if it had been a Labour gov't during those years, we'd be reading excuses. Yes Labour haven't been in long, but their tenure so far is pretty poor and I don't even see shoots of recovery that they've implemented. Hopefully the next three years improves that.

it was a coalition led by the tories and it took an economy that was growing and implemented the failed and based on a spreadsheet error austerity policy

 

[Saddlebrains]

Why does everyone keep saying 14 years? If we apply the same logic the first term was a coalition, the second was clearing up all those years since 96 of 'not being in power, then it was Brexit and Covid resulting in huge Furlough payments and global recession. I'm not suggesting they were good or did anything to be proud of, but to say they were at fault for everything happening now is equally disingenuous and I'm pretty sure if it had been a Labour gov't during those years, we'd be reading excuses. Yes Labour haven't been in long, but their tenure so far is pretty poor and I don't even see shoots of recovery that they've implemented. Hopefully the next three years improves that.

Tbf the outright lies from starmer haven't helped. We've all seen the 'you will not pay a penny more council tax' and 'under a labour government the energy price cap will not go up' videos

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Im assuming were all very similar in what we want on here

A safe world for our children where they can prosper
Criminals dealt with harshly
Illegal migration to be rectified
An NHS that works and protects us all
Some more expendable income to enjoy our lives instead of it all being taken away from us by greedy profiteering corps

Reform will fix all of that, especially the first 2

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

Im assuming were all very similar in what we want on here

A safe world for our children where they can prosper
Criminals dealt with harshly
Illegal migration to be rectified
An NHS that works and protects us all
Some more expendable income to enjoy our lives instead of it all being taken away from us by greedy profiteering corps

I'm up for all of that- Reform havent said how they'd address any of it (and are funded themselves by greedy profiteering corps)

Fucking balloons are too busy platforming batshit stuff about Swans and Paracetamol causing Autism

 

[Grendel]

I went to a medium and small business gathering the other week. Business confidence is very low.

Oddly without businesses being profitable no one gets employed in the private sector.

I’ve seen two suppliers and three customers go to the wall in the last 6 months. This is nothing to do with 14 years of austerity but due to the nonsense policies of a government that cannot grasp how business operates and what it needs. The last government wasn’t great but at least it left most of the manufacturing sector unscathed - the real fear amongst a lot was they’ll go again with more tax measures

 

[David O'Day]

Reform will fix all of that, especially the first 2

how, what are their policies on these things?

Currently their last "policies" were an anti immigration policy that fell apart in a day and a policy that removes ilr which is something legal immigrants such as doctors use not illegal immigrants

how are they funding the nhs? how are they going to replace the doctors lost because of their own policies?

their economic policy is at the moment is truss on crack so how will they help with the cost of living?

 

[fatso]

I've often wondered what would happen if you introduced the Bible Belt of America to the teachings of Christ as laid out in the actual bible. Going by that Jesus would hate America.

Jesus never hated countries.

 

[David O'Day]

Jesus never hated countries.

he wasn't too keen about Rome

 

[fatso]

I went to a medium and small business gathering the other week. Business confidence is very low.

Oddly without businesses being profitable no one gets employed in the private sector.

I’ve seen two suppliers and three customers go to the wall in the last 6 months. This is nothing to do with 14 years of austerity but due to the nonsense policies of a government that cannot grasp how business operates and what it needs. The last government wasn’t great but at least it left most of the manufacturing sector unscathed - the real fear amongst a lot was they’ll go again with more tax measures

Not surprising when you look at the labour front bench, how many of the ministers have ever ran a profitable business?

And if you were a business owner, how many labour ministers would you want to employ?

When the tory party was kicked out of office for being completely incompetent, we never thought for one minute that they would be replaced by an even worse government!

 

[David O'Day]

Not surprising when you look at the labour front bench, how many of the ministers have ever ran a profitable business?

And if you were a business owner, how many labour ministers would you want to employ?

When the tory party was kicked out of office for being completely incompetent, we never thought for one minute that they would be replaced by an even worse government!

why would you need to run a profitable business? it's completely different.

bet you think economics is like a credit card and all that bollocks

 

[fatso]

he wasn't too keen about Rome

There's always this!

 

[fatso]

why would you need to run a profitable business? it's completely different.

bet you think economics is like a credit card and all that bollocks

Well you'd like to think that people who make daily decisions that have such an effect on business, would have some kind of clue.

Your second comment makes zero sense.

 

[David O'Day]

Well you'd like to think that people who make daily decisions that have such an effect on business, would have some kind of clue.

Your second comment makes zero sense.

That makes no sense, macroeconomics isn't anything like "running a business".

 

[fatso]

That makes no sense, macroeconomics isn't anything like "running a business".

What the fuck are you prattling on about?

Its 1.20 in the afternoon, that's way too early to be off your tits!

 

[chiefdave]

I agree, and i think we all hope to see some progress. I hope we do, because surely this shit sandwich we all have to swallow whilst paying our taxes for every month cant get worse. Can it?

Im assuming were all very similar in what we want on here

A safe world for our children where they can prosper
Criminals dealt with harshly
Illegal migration to be rectified
An NHS that works and protects us all
Some more expendable income to enjoy our lives instead of it all being taken away from us by greedy profiteering corps

Agreed, everyone wants basically the same thing, at least broadly speaking.

But it can definitely get worse. We've got huge problems coming down the line that nobody wants to even discuss much less actually offer a solution to.

The fundamental issue of how you generate the funds to be able to provide all the things you list when the costs are only going one way.

You've got an aging population who increasingly need years of care. You've got an increasingly unhealthy working age population, both mentally and physically, which is not an issue you can just solve by changing the definition of who is sick. Automation (or as we now seem to call it AI) will continue to cut the amount of jobs available.

That's before you even consider that we've got to undo more than a decade of damage from austerity.

The way things are done now doesn't work and seems increasingly not fit for purpose but nobody is having the difficult conversations about what comes next.

 

[David O'Day]

Agreed, everyone wants basically the same thing, at least broadly speaking.

But it can definitely get worse. We've got huge problems coming down the line that nobody wants to even discuss much less actually offer a solution to.

The fundamental issue of how you generate the funds to be able to provide all the things you list when the costs are only going one way.

You've got an aging population who increasingly need years of care. You've got an increasingly unhealthy working age population, both mentally and physically, which is not an issue you can just solve by changing the definition of who is sick. Automation (or as we now seem to call it AI) will continue to cut the amount of jobs available.

That's before you even consider that we've got to undo more than a decade of damage from austerity.

The way things are done now doesn't work and seems increasingly not fit for purpose but nobody is having the difficult conversations about what comes next.

Yes, this is it.

The pension system was designed for a population who lived maybe 5 or 10 if lucky years after retiring and now we have a population where it's not rare at all to like say 20 or so years after retiring. It needs major change but no one has the balls to do it as it could be electoral suicide.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No coincidence this was published 2 days ago https://institute.global/insights/p...tal-id-a-new-consensus-for-a-state-that-works


Tony Blair has his finger in this pie somewhere then

It's been a long held desire of that maniac.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Agreed, everyone wants basically the same thing, at least broadly speaking.

But it can definitely get worse. We've got huge problems coming down the line that nobody wants to even discuss much less actually offer a solution to.

The fundamental issue of how you generate the funds to be able to provide all the things you list when the costs are only going one way.

You've got an aging population who increasingly need years of care. You've got an increasingly unhealthy working age population, both mentally and physically, which is not an issue you can just solve by changing the definition of who is sick. Automation (or as we now seem to call it AI) will continue to cut the amount of jobs available.

That's before you even consider that we've got to undo more than a decade of damage from austerity.

The way things are done now doesn't work and seems increasingly not fit for purpose but nobody is having the difficult conversations about what comes next.

it is a currency issuing government, it does not need to 'generate funds'

 

[fernandopartridge]

I went to a medium and small business gathering the other week. Business confidence is very low.

Oddly without businesses being profitable no one gets employed in the private sector.

I’ve seen two suppliers and three customers go to the wall in the last 6 months. This is nothing to do with 14 years of austerity but due to the nonsense policies of a government that cannot grasp how business operates and what it needs. The last government wasn’t great but at least it left most of the manufacturing sector unscathed - the real fear amongst a lot was they’ll go again with more tax measures

the employer NI rise is an austerity policy - the objective of it is to "reduce the national debt" - which is essentially removing money from the private sector

 

[David O'Day]

it is a currency issuing government, it does not need to 'generate funds'

Yes but if you issue too much currency you increase inflation.

 

[Dougin]

Don’t underestimate the pull Farage has. He speaks common sense and seems to come from the heart. He doesn’t need to do this, he wants to and people will relate to that.

He’s not your typical career politician, at least he believes in what he says. Starmer is not a natural leader and comes across as a weak person.

People laughed at Farage for years, no one ever took him serious and look what he did with brexit.

When it comes to election time he has Trump and Musk on his side can you just imagine how much they are going to help him too. It’s only going one way.

 

[chiefdave]

it is a currency issuing government, it does not need to 'generate funds'

to an extent but you can't just issue billions extra year in, year out without it having an impact

 

[chiefdave]

People laughed at Farage for years, no one ever took him serious and look what he did with brexit.

If people looked what he did with Brexit he wouldn't be getting any votes!!!