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[chiefdave]

who had Ted Cruz riding to the rescue on their acca?

we can joke about the likes of Cruz needing to come to the rescue but how far do you let things slide before action needs to be taken when you've got Trump coming out with shit like this

President Donald Trump on Friday reiterated his claim that critical television coverage of him is “illegal” and pushed back on criticisms that his administration was taking actions that chill free speech.

“When 97 percent of the stories are bad about a person, it’s no longer free speech,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office, complaining about an apparent asymmetry between his victory in the 2024 election and his treatment by media organizations. It was not immediately clear what statistics or laws he was referencing.

We've all seen the steps to racism meme that gets thrown around all the time but how far do you get down the list before it becomes an issue?

This is a country that never shuts up about the importance of its constitution but a decent percentage of people seem quite happy to rip that up if Trump tells them different rules now apply.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

we can joke about the likes of Cruz needing to come to the rescue but how far do you let things slide before action needs to be taken when you've got Trump coming out with shit like this

We've all seen the steps to racism meme that gets thrown around all the time but how far do you get down the list before it becomes an issue?

This is a country that never shuts up about the importance of its constitution but a decent percentage of people seem quite happy to rip that up if Trump tells them different rules now apply.

I would be interested to see how those in here that have said Trump isn't showing the traits of a fascist look at that and still hold that view.

Over to you @Mucca Mad Boys , @SIR ERNIE , @Captain Dart

 

[Otis]

I would be interested to see how those in here that have said Trump isn't showing the traits of a fascist look at that and still hold that view.

Over to you @Mucca Mad Boys , @SIR ERNIE , @Captain Dart

If he did actually say that critical television coverage of him is illegal, then this is surely zero defence to that.

 

[chiefdave]

If he did actually say that critical television coverage of him is illegal, then this is surely zero defence to that.

There's video of it so he def said it.



He's now accidentally posted on his truth social platform a private message calling for his political opponents to be prosecuted

 

[SBT]

He's now accidentally posted on his truth social platform a private message calling for his political opponents to be prosecuted

I don’t think it’s accidental at all!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I would be interested to see how those in here that have said Trump isn't showing the traits of a fascist look at that and still hold that view.

Over to you @Mucca Mad Boys , @SIR ERNIE , @Captain Dart

C'mon @Mucca Mad Boys , use your words. Don't just post the reaction. Explain why saying people who criticise him are criminals isn't fascism.

I'll even give you a clue on the bit you need to say it's not - forcible suppression of opposition.

 

[Otis]

There's video of it so he def said it.



He's now accidentally posted on his truth social platform a private message calling for his political opponents to be prosecuted

It is serious for sure, for we all know that there is one thing worse than "illegal" and that's "really illegal."

That's extra serious .

 

[Grendel]

C'mon @Mucca Mad Boys , use your words. Don't just post the reaction. Explain why saying people who criticise him are criminals isn't fascism.

I'll even give you a clue on the bit you need to say it's not - forcible suppression of opposition.

Why is it fascism?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I would be interested to see how those in here that have said Trump isn't showing the traits of a fascist look at that and still hold that view.

Over to you @Mucca Mad Boys , @SIR ERNIE , @Captain Dart

He’s not a fascist. George Orwell warned against the cheapening of the word ‘fascist’ and ‘Nazi’. You have no differentiation between Trump, Kirk, Farage, Netanyahu, Tommy Robinson and Nick Griffin.

None of you were crying when Biden went after his political enemies and suppressed information about his son to the lead up to the 2020 election.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I would be interested to see how those in here that have said Trump isn't showing the traits of a fascist look at that and still hold that view.

Over to you @Mucca Mad Boys , @SIR ERNIE , @Captain Dart

Midday on a Sunday and all you can think about is Donald trump and posting on this forum, how unbelievably sad and embarrassing

 

[Terry_dactyl]

I would be interested to see how those in here that have said Trump isn't showing the traits of a fascist look at that and still hold that view.

Over to you @Mucca Mad Boys , @SIR ERNIE , @Captain Dart

I mean he really is…and it seems if you say he is you’re called a communist. These are incredibly worrying times.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Midday on a Sunday and all you can think about is Donald trump and posting on this forum, how unbelievably sad and embarrassing

…erm…

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s not a fascist. George Orwell warned against the cheapening of the word ‘fascist’ and ‘Nazi’. You have no differentiation between Trump, Kirk, Farage, Netanyahu, Tommy Robinson and Nick Griffin.

None of you were crying when Biden went after his political enemies and suppressed information about his son to the lead up to the 2020 election.

‘Went after his political enemies’. Come on, you’re better than that.

Which enemies? When? How?

Already Trump has fired someone for not finding a case to be made against a political opponent. He threatens the freedom of the press when they say things he doesn’t likes. He revels in getting people fired for saying things he doesn’t like. He started his presidency by declaring that only he can decide what the law is.

He’s a fascist piece of shit.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

‘Went after his political enemies’. Come on, you’re better than that.

Which enemies? When? How?

Already Trump has fired someone for not finding a case to be made against a political opponent. He threatens the freedom of the press when they say things he doesn’t likes. He revels in getting people fired for saying things he doesn’t like. He started his presidency by declaring that only he can decide what the law is.

He’s a fascist piece of shit.

It’s not clever calling conservatives ‘fascists’, before he entered mainstream politics Trump was a Democrat. This attack line is cheap, and bares as much reality as calling Obama a ‘socialist/communist’ as many right wingers did in his terms, we all know that Obama in reality is a centre-right politician. Even on ‘the boarder’, compare Bill Clinton’s speeches in the 90s (or even Hilary’s in 2008), then Trump’s in 2016/2020/2024 and you get a politician saying more or less the same things.

If you’re judging Trump and his predecessors equally, then surely you’ll come out and condemn Biden’s admin.

Trump joked about locking up Hilary Clinton, Biden actually tried to lock up Trump.

ICYMI from the NYPost: FBI Emails Obtained by Grassley ‘Expose Biden DOJ’s Obsession with Piling on Trump Charges’ | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Miranda Devine: FBI emails revealed to The Post expose Biden DOJ’s obsession with piling on Trump...

www.judiciary.senate.gov

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s not clever calling conservatives ‘fascists’, before he entered mainstream politics Trump was a Democrat. This attack line is cheap, and bares as much reality as calling Obama a ‘socialist/communist’ as many right wingers did in his terms, we all know that Obama in reality is a centre-right politician. Even on ‘the boarder’, compare Bill Clinton’s speeches in the 90s (or even Hilary’s in 2008), then Trump’s in 2016/2020/2024 and you get a politician saying more or less the same things.

If you’re judging Trump and his predecessors equally, then surely you’ll come out and condemn Biden’s admin.

Trump joked about locking up Hilary Clinton, Biden actually tried to lock up Trump.

ICYMI from the NYPost: FBI Emails Obtained by Grassley ‘Expose Biden DOJ’s Obsession with Piling on Trump Charges’ | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Miranda Devine: FBI emails revealed to The Post expose Biden DOJ’s obsession with piling on Trump...

www.judiciary.senate.gov

I didn’t call Trump a fascist until he started acting like one.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why is it fascism?

He literally wants criticism of him to be criminalised. Forcible suppression of opposition.

And Mucca, I'm not calling conservatives fascists, I'm very specifically calling Trump a fascist, or at least a fascist-in-waiting. Those around him sucking up to him doing his bidding are enablers.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I didn’t call Trump a fascist until he started acting like one.

This.

 

[SBT]

Midday on a Sunday and all you can think about is Donald trump and posting on this forum, how unbelievably sad and embarrassing

Any thoughts on the Leicester game Dom?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He literally wants criticism of him to be criminalised. Forcible suppression of opposition.

And Mucca, I'm not calling conservatives fascists, I'm very specifically calling Trump a fascist, or at least a fascist-in-waiting. Those around him sucking up to him doing his bidding are enablers.

He became one when he incited an armed riot to prevent the transfer of power and when he began threatening state officials to ‘find’ the votes he needed to win certain states.

The campaign he ran last year went further, a nasty one based on getting revenge against his opponents which has since become reality.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I didn’t call Trump a fascist until he started acting like one.

What do you or anyone even mean when you say fascist? Fascists are usually v anti-capitalist economically which is v much not Trump.

A pertinent quote below:

“not all authoritarian regimes are fascist, and more distinguishing traits are required for a regime to be characterized as such”.

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Actually, if you mean ‘authoritarian’ I’d agree that he pushes that boundary and it’s v much increasing a trend of presidents governing ‘by decree’ and the growth of executive orders that really started to grow with Obama.

He literally wants criticism of him to be criminalised. Forcible suppression of opposition.

And Mucca, I'm not calling conservatives fascists, I'm very specifically calling Trump a fascist, or at least a fascist-in-waiting. Those around him sucking up to him doing his bidding are enablers.

Was Biden a fascist? He tried to suppress information about his son’s misdeeds and there was a big media campaign to insist he was fit and healthy enough. In fact, the media suppressed Hunter’s dealings in Ukraine in the lead up to the 2020 election campaign, which daddy Joe pardoned him for even though he was “innocent

Kamala and top Democrats cheered when Trump has banned from Twitter which was ridiculous considering ISIS could tweet freely on the platform.

The left does this all the time, Mitt Romney was called a fascist that would cause WW3 in 2012, before being rehabilitated as a ‘moderate’ after Trump rose to prominence.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Any thoughts on the Leicester game Dom?

Yeah decent point saddo, how about yourself?

 

[SBT]

Yeah decent point saddo, how about yourself?

I’ve already posted about it a few times, you don’t seem to post about the actual football anymore though? No need for the insults, is there?

 

[Sick Boy]

What do you or anyone even mean when you say fascist? Fascists are usually v anti-capitalist economically which is v much not Trump.

A pertinent quote below:

“not all authoritarian regimes are fascist, and more distinguishing traits are required for a regime to be characterized as such”.

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Actually, if you mean ‘authoritarian’ I’d agree that he pushes that boundary and it’s v much increasing a trend of presidents governing ‘by decree’ and the growth of executive orders that really started to grow with Obama.


Was Biden a fascist? He tried to suppress information about his son’s misdeeds and there was a big media campaign to insist he was fit and healthy enough. In fact, the media suppressed Hunter’s dealings in Ukraine in the lead up to the 2020 election campaign, which daddy Joe pardoned him for even though he was “innocent

Kamala and top Democrats cheered when Trump has banned from Twitter which was ridiculous considering ISIS could tweet freely on the platform.

The left does this all the time, Mitt Romney was called a fascist that would cause WW3 in 2012, before being rehabilitated as a ‘moderate’ after Trump rose to prominence.

The Democrats aren’t ‘the left’ - they’re centre right.

 

[Nick]

Let's face it, fascist is just a word thrown about now.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The Democrats aren’t ‘the left’ - they’re centre right.

That’ll be news to the likes Bernie Sanders, AOC and Mamdani…

 

[Sick Boy]

That’ll be news to the likes Bernie Sanders, AOC and Mamdani…

If you genuinely think the Democrats are left-wing, I’m not sure what else to say.

 

[Sick Boy]

Let's face it, fascist is just a word thrown about now.

There’s a difference between fascism and neo-fascism as well.

 

[Otis]

If you genuinely think the Democrats are left-wing, I’m not sure what else to say.

Yup. They most certainly aren't.

And I don't get the comparison with Biden. Trump is trying to shut down everyone who opposes him and everyone who says anything bad about him. He's sending the National Guard into democratic cities only and he's trying to get opponents cancelled

These are very different times we are living in now

 

[CCFCSteve]

The Democrats aren’t ‘the left’ - they’re centre right.

Historically Id agree but if you look at Bidens policies ranging from immigration to unions to tax/spending I think you’d struggle to call them centre right. Harris was further left in her beliefs

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Let's face it, fascist is just a word thrown about now.

There were people calling Cameron a ‘fascist’ in 2010-2015 before Farage took that mantle…

How do you differentiate Farage who many on here have called ‘far right’ and Nick Griffin who is an actual ethno-nationalist and proud neo-Nazi? It’s a question I posed earlier that no one has taken me up on.

If you genuinely think the Democrats are left-wing, I’m not sure what else to say.

Those 3 politicians describe themselves as ‘democratic socialists’ and make up a significant and influential part of the coalition that makes up the Democrat party.

Regards, the democrats are ‘the left’ in the US.

Yup. They most certainly aren't.

And I don't get the comparison with Boden. Trump is trying to shut down everyone who opposes him and everyone who says anything bad about him. He's sending the National Guard into democratic cities only and he's trying to get opponents cancelled

These are very different times we are living in now

Did you not see how coordinated many of the MSM were in claiming Biden was still up to the job of being president? It was v clear to anyone looking at him that he was a frail old man who didn’t look well.

Those outlets were complicit in spreading the lies about Biden’s mental capacities. Jake Tapper wrote a book about this yet there’s multiple compilations praising Biden being ‘as sharp as a tack’.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What do you or anyone even mean when you say fascist? Fascists are usually v anti-capitalist economically which is v much not Trump.

A pertinent quote below:

“not all authoritarian regimes are fascist, and more distinguishing traits are required for a regime to be characterized as such”.

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Actually, if you mean ‘authoritarian’ I’d agree that he pushes that boundary and it’s v much increasing a trend of presidents governing ‘by decree’ and the growth of executive orders that really started to grow with Obama.


Was Biden a fascist? He tried to suppress information about his son’s misdeeds and there was a big media campaign to insist he was fit and healthy enough. In fact, the media suppressed Hunter’s dealings in Ukraine in the lead up to the 2020 election campaign, which daddy Joe pardoned him for even though he was “innocent

Kamala and top Democrats cheered when Trump has banned from Twitter which was ridiculous considering ISIS could tweet freely on the platform.

The left does this all the time, Mitt Romney was called a fascist that would cause WW3 in 2012, before being rehabilitated as a ‘moderate’ after Trump rose to prominence.

I haven’t called basically any other right wing politician a fascist except for the one who I think is acting like one. It isn’t just ‘the left’ either, some of his term one appointments have used the same descriptor. He ticks all the boxes for an authoritarian, the uber nationalist rhetoric, economic and foreign policy clinches it.

We can have an honest debate about what we both understand to mean ‘fascism’, but it’s not a label I throw around all that often. You’re talking to someone who actually was half tempted to support him back in 2016, to be clear.

 

[Otis]

There were people calling Cameron a ‘fascist’ in 2010-2015 before Farage took that mantle…

How do you differentiate Farage who many on here have called ‘far right’ and Nick Griffin who is an actual ethno-nationalist and proud neo-Nazi? It’s a question I posed earlier that no one has taken me up on.


Those 3 politicians describe themselves as ‘democratic socialists’ and make up a significant and influential part of the coalition that makes up the Democrat party.

Regards, the democrats are ‘the left’ in the US.



Did you not see how coordinated many of the MSM were in claiming Biden was still up to the job of being president? It was v clear to anyone looking at him that he was a frail old man who didn’t look well.

Those outlets were complicit with that regime honestly reporting on him. I

I agree, but that's completely different.

That was covering up for him, which was completely wrong, but this is Trump trying to shut down all opposition to Trump.

We should all be very concerned.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I prefer authoritarian anti democratic

 

[Otis]

I prefer authoritarian anti democratic

Most definitely anti democratic.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree, but that's completely different.

That was covering up for him, which was completely wrong, but this is Trump trying to shut down all opposition to Trump.

We should all be very concerned.

The US media have been guilty of 'manufacturing consent' for a very long time, that is nothing new. What is unchartered territory is the president profiteering by filing bogus lawsuits against whichever media organisations he thinks aren't complimentary enough to him.