Charlie Kirk Shot (4 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

By the looks of it if his family hadn't done the right thing, the FBI would still be flapping around cluelessly.

 

---

[robbiekeane]

Thought I'd chime in as I've watched a few clips of him recently.

The standout ones from what I've seen literally within the past 8 hours is he said that George Floyd died of a Fentanyl overdose not by being kneeled on for 10 minutes, why male suicide is increasing is because males are becoming more effeminate, that gun-related deaths have to be accepted if the Second Amendment is to be preserved etc, that if his daughter was raped that in line with his pro-life views said baby would be delivered.

The list could genuinely go on. His views were completely batshit.

@fatso any thoughts on these? curious as to your thoughts on the 10 year old pregnancy specifically

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

So nothing he deserved to be murderd for then?

No, which I've repeatedly stated in my posts. It was an abhorrent act which only will serve to deeper political divides.

 

[robbiekeane]

So nothing he deserved to be murderd for then?

1) no one has said he deserved to be murdered, everyone i’ve seen has condemned assassinations

2) if you don’t think saying that if a 10 year old girl was raped and impregnated then they should have to take the baby to term, i honestly don’t know what to say about you

 

[PVA]

So nothing he deserved to be murderd for then?

I don't think a single person in here has said he deserved to be murdered have they?

But plenty have pointed out that he held and pushed some disgusting views.

 

[TomRad85]

By the looks of it if his family hadn't done the right thing, the FBI would still be flapping around cluelessly.

It's just sad really, a father forced to drag his kid in because his kid no doubt spent too much time online twisting himself. Especially knowing death penalty will definitely be on the table.
Not sure I could do it personally.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't think a single person in here has said he deserved to be murdered have they?

But plenty have pointed out that he held and pushed some disgusting views.

He was vile, but is now another victim of gun violence. Maybe it'll be the watershed moment for a chunk of the population to accept that maybe something should be done about it.

 

[PVA]

He was vile, but is now another victim of gun violence. Maybe it'll be the watershed moment for a chunk of the population to accept that maybe something should be done about it.

The best thing to come out of this would be his wife coming out and making an anti gun stance.

Not gonna happen though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's just sad really, a father forced to drag his kid in because his kid no doubt spent too much time online twisting himself. Especially knowing death penalty will definitely be on the table.
Not sure I could do it personally.

It's a choice between that or risking vigilantes who find out it's him then attack the wider family for sheltering him. I would not protect a murderer in my own family either.

 

[fatso]

@fatso any thoughts on these? curious as to your thoughts on the 10 year old pregnancy specifically

What is the 10 year old pregnancy?

Im presuming you mean if his daughter was pregnant as a result of a rape?

If it was my daughter I wouldn't want her to proceed with the pregnancy, but it would obviously be her choice, (but not at 10) but that's just my opinion, as for the other points, I literally dont know enough facts about the individual cases to comment, so I have no idea if my options would align with Charles Kirks or not

But that's not the issue here. The issue is, is it right for any person to be murdered for their views? and in this case Charles Kirk was happy to debate his opinions openly with anyone and (from what ive seen) could debate any of his points very well. (That doesn't mean i agree with all or even some of them)

I dont agree with much that Keir Starmer says, but I'd never wish any harm on him, I just want him removed as P.M.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The best thing to come out of this would be his wife coming out and making an anti gun stance.

Not gonna happen though.

The Democrat politicians in Minnesota who were shot dead earlier in the year drew nothing from the right about 'let's tone down the rhetoric, it's gone too far'. They now want it toning down because one of their own has also been shot dead in a climate where the sitting president refers to Democrats as 'the enemy within' and wants to force martial law on parts of the country who disagree with him.

Oh, and a president who incited a riot that led to police officers being killed because he wanted to hold onto power. It's more than a bit fucking rich.

 

[robbiekeane]

But that's not the issue here. The issue is, is it right for any person to be murdered for their views?

Why are you refusing to listen to the countless people who are explicitly saying it is NOT okay.

The question about his daughter was posed as “if a 10 year old girl was raped and impregnated, would you still insist they carry to term”. He said he had a 10 year old daughter. So they said okay if it was your daughter. He resounded “the answer to your question is yes”.

Two things can be true:

1) Assassinations are bad and this should not have happened

2) The guy was a c**t with abhorrent views

 

[SBT]

I didn’t go looking for it, to be fair. What are you trying to imply?

And my point was in response to the OP saying he was among the best and most intelligent, which give his A Level grades, is probably false.

I’m not sure the “best and brightest” comment in the OP was meant all that sincerely, but either way are his A-Level results really of much relevance to the discussion? Seems odd to even know them.

 

[David O'Day]

What is the 10 year old pregnancy?

Im presuming you mean if his daughter was pregnant as a result of a rape?

If it was my daughter I wouldn't want her to proceed with the pregnancy, but it would obviously be her choice, (but not at 10) but that's just my opinion, as for the other points, I literally dont know enough facts about the individual cases to comment, so I have no idea if my options would align with Charles Kirks or not

But that's not the issue here. The issue is, is it right for any person to be murdered for their views? and in this case Charles Kirk was happy to debate his opinions openly with anyone and (from what ive seen) could debate any of his points very well. (That doesn't mean i agree with all or even some of them)

I dont agree with much that Keir Starmer says, but I'd never wish any harm on him, I just want him removed as P.M.

and you will get the chance to vote against him at the next election

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That's the point I'm putting across. It's not communist doctrine to kill all who oppose, not that I am or support communism.

Fascism will always marginalise minorities in any given state due to its ultra-nationalist, ethnic majority bias.

While this is true, you have to recognise that in practice, both communism and fascism have historically led to authoritarian regimes that oppressed dissent or minorities in different ways.

Fascism is inherently bad. You can't argue against that. But as mentioned a lot of whitewashing has gone into covering up why communism as a political and economic ideology has so often failed, usually at a massive human cost.

Logistically, to get the system to work and get buy in from the population, you need to get rid of vast numbers of the citizens that don't wish to abide by it.

Wherever it’s been tried, it’s brought famine, mass executions, gulags, and economic ruin.

As an ideology it might dress itself up as providing equality, but in reality it has basically always meant trading one form of oppression for another.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

no It MusT hAvE bEeN a LiBtArD

Assuming the information emerging about him is correct it once again shows why none of us should jump to conclusions in the immediate aftermath of an event like this.

What were his political views?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What were his political views?

Well all we know is that his family are republican

 

[rob9872]

Well all we know is that his family are republican

Amazing how some are very excited to share exactly that news.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

While this is true, you have to recognise that in practice, both communism and fascism have historically led to authoritarian regimes that oppressed dissent or minorities in different ways.

Fascism is inherently bad. You can't argue against that. But as mentioned a lot of whitewashing has gone into covering up why communism as a political and economic ideology has so often failed, usually at a massive human cost.

Logistically, to get the system to work and get buy in from the population, you need to get rid of vast numbers of the citizens that don't wish to abide by it.

Wherever it’s been tried, it’s brought famine, mass executions, gulags, and economic ruin.

As an ideology it might dress itself up as providing equality, but in reality it has basically always meant trading one form of oppression for another.

The Soviets initially hoped that communism would be popular enough a concept with other eastern European nations that they wouldn't need to force it on them. Then their performance in free elections was so poor that they switched to plan B and hijacked the systems, filled the governments with Soviet trained loyalists and the rest is history. A story told in Poland, Hungary, East Germany and so on and so on.

All the while of course, the party elites are treated in relative luxury in exchange for their loyalty. There's a good reason why the USSR eventually fell on its arse and why China is still going, by being communist in name only.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Amazing how some are very excited to share exactly that news.

He asked? LOL

 

[SHUNT31]

I’m not sure the “best and brightest” comment in the OP was meant all that sincerely, but either way are his A-Level results really of much relevance to the discussion? Seems odd to even know them.

I was replying to him saying he was one of the brightest. It’s not that deep. It’s all over social media, that’s how I know them.

Again, what are you implying?

 

[chiefdave]

Amazing how some are very excited to share exactly that news.

We've had hundreds of posts about how this is a prime example of how the left behaves so it would hardly be a shock that if it turns out he's not on the left, which we don't yet know, the people who have been on the receiving end of those posts will have something to say.

 

[SBT]

I was replying to him saying he was one of the brightest. It’s not that deep. It’s all over social media, that’s how I know them.

Again, what are you implying?

I’m not implying anything, I’m saying it’s odd to be nitpicking over a student’s A-Level results as if it’s relevant to anything at all.

 

[SHUNT31]

I’m not implying anything, I’m saying it’s odd to be nitpicking over a student’s A-Level results as if it’s relevant to anything at all.

Again, for the third time, it was in reference to the OP comments and so they were relevant.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well all we know is that his family are republican

That wasn't the question.

I don't think Charlie Kirk's widow or children will care about who the shooter's grandma voted for.

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

We've had hundreds of posts about how this is a prime example of how the left behaves so it would hardly be a shock that if it turns out he's not on the left, which we don't yet know, the people who have been on the receiving end of those posts will have something to say.

No less than The President of the United States of America specifically said that this was related to left-wing violence before anybody on the planet outside of the shooter himself knew anything about the shooter.

The shooter's family have inevitably been doxxed on social media and all signs are pointing to the family being MAGA-leaning, but his specific motivations are still unknown.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

We've had hundreds of posts about how this is a prime example of how the left behaves so it would hardly be a shock that if it turns out he's not on the left, which we don't yet know, the people who have been on the receiving end of those posts will have something to say.

Given what has been confirmed to be engraved on the bullets it seems as if he is very much on the left.

 

[SBT]

I’d happily wager a charity bet that he is indeed a far-left lunatic.

Online charity bets on a gunman’s political leanings is proper dystopian stuff!

 

[Briles]

I’d happily wager a charity bet that he is indeed a far-left lunatic.

He was a self proclaimed "Anti-Fascist" which is the default setting of most people right . That's like bragging you're anti r"pe. Absolute Gibbon

 

[Ccfcisparks]

That wasn't the question.

I don't think Charlie Kirk's widow or children will care about who the shooter's grandma voted for.

Just offering the information we had received so far. No need to be so dismissive.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

'Hey Fascist Catch This'

There's a clue there somewhere.

 

[David O'Day]

I’d happily wager a charity bet that he is indeed a far-left lunatic.

get a grip a fucking of yourself and think about what you have just said

 

[Ccfcisparks]

'Hey Fascist Catch This'

There's a clue there somewhere.

So does "if you are reading this, youre gay"

100% Trans

 

[ccfctommy]

No assassination attempts on president Biden though, strange that???

Still not convinced there was on one Trump either!

 

[Briles]

So does "if you are reading this, youre gay"

100% Trans

Nah Trans aint gay