Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

The Guardian article is of course a bit of a hit piece, this is a video of his speech, which I guess you will ignore.

Isn't he the guy who dumps butter into his coffee because he thinks we should all be downing as much saturated fat as possible?

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Think paying all the people they employ’s wages is redistribution of wealth, why should they just give money for free it’s ridiculous

Well when they earn many, many, many times more from the person actually doing the work if it is redistribution it's to the rich.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The Guardian article is of course a bit of a hit piece, this is a video of his speech, which I guess you will ignore.

Any scientifically literate adult would ignore it yes

 

[DT-R]

And I'm just pointing out that that's redistribution of wealth. You know, the thing capitalism doesn't want unless it's to them.

What the actual fuck are you going on about? I replied to a post about the tories only looking out for the rich, and gave clear, real examples of things they've done to help out working class families too..... and your reply is banging on about capitalism and socialism? Are you actually ok? Get a fucking grip and put the wine bottle away mate! Have a rest from the Internet for a bit. I don't know what angle you're coming at for a gotcha, but its a bit weird!

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[fatso]

Got better things to do that get involved in discussions about chemtrails, fake moon landings, how the earth is flat and whatever the fuck we're supposed to think the pyramids are for.

Well clearly you fucking havnt else you wouldn't be spending so much time putting the laughing emoji on so many posts.

Fucking weirdo

 

[Captain Dart]

Any scientifically literate adult would ignore it yes

Do you consider yourself scientifically literate then?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Do you consider yourself scientifically literate then?

Not as much as those of my friends who are cardiologists or paediatricians or GPs or others in medicine as nurses or doctors or consultants
No serious person agrees with this person

 

[Captain Dart]

Not as much as those of my friends who are cardiologists or paediatricians or GPs or others in medicine as nurses or doctors or consultants
No serious person agrees with this person

I thrust of his speech was basically that the medical profession is inordinately influenced by industry interests, he argued that drug vendors should be subject to independent verification of their results.

Anyway you do as you see fit and I shall do as I see fit.

 

[mmttww]

I thrust of his speech was basically that the medical profession is inordinately influenced by industry interests, he argued that drug vendors should be subject to independent verification of their results.

Did he get kidnapped and told he was giving a speech in the USA, because that's what he's describing, not the UK.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Blame all the billionaires and rich people who have created all the big companies that employ everyone, same rhetoric every single time it’s hilarious. It’s almost as if you don’t want people to enjoy hard earned money

The employees created the wealth you not the other way around. Please list some notable contributions to the world by eg BlackRock

 

[Marty]

The employees created the wealth you not the other way around. Please list some notable contributions to the world by eg BlackRock

Very strange behaviour, making up a post then replying to the made up post.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What the actual fuck are you going on about? I replied to a post about the tories only looking out for the rich, and gave clear, real examples of things they've done to help out working class families too..... and your reply is banging on about capitalism and socialism? Are you actually ok? Get a fucking grip and put the wine bottle away mate! Have a rest from the Internet for a bit. I don't know what angle you're coming at for a gotcha, but its a bit weird!

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Ok, let's deal with those then.

When the personal allowance is increased it actually benefits the rich most, as it means less of their income is in higher tax brackets. Also the same with upping the upper tax band. £42k at the time was well above the average wage (and still is) so actually benefits the rich and those on above average wages while poorer households get nothing from it at all.

What they're good at is making policies that on the face of it seem to be beneficial to 'normal' people but are in fact much more of a benefit for them and their rich mates.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Very strange behaviour, making up a post then replying to the made up post.

I'd started to quote you on a post and then Dom, it's attributed his post to you

 

[rob9872]

Any scientifically literate adult would ignore it yes

100% agree with you on this .... yet you believe in God. They don't really equate. Not trying to start another row btw, just seems mixed messages.

 

[Sick Boy]

This thread has done a great job in exposing the cranks and conspiracy theorists on here.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

100% agree with you on this .... yet you believe in God. They don't really equate. Not trying to start another row btw, just seems mixed messages.

I’m not a scientist but many scientists do believe in god

 

[Sick Boy]

Isn't he the guy who dumps butter into his coffee because he thinks we should all be downing as much saturated fat as possible?

That definitely sounds like the sort of thing Council Dart would do.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I thrust of his speech was basically that the medical profession is inordinately influenced by industry interests, he argued that drug vendors should be subject to independent verification of their results.

Anyway you do as you see fit and I shall do as I see fit.

There’s these little things called clinical trials you absolute buffoon.

 

[mmttww]

Drivel

Insightful.

 

[shmmeee]

I think I've missed this. Has it been decided that polls are 'fake news' now? Is it just some polls or polling in general?

Anything that makes Nick have to face what a weird little racist he’s become makes him sad

Better to have a go at the mirror.

 

[shmmeee]

There’s these little things called clinical trials you absolute buffoon.

Not worth it. That guy needs to go back and start again in Reception he’s a total lost cause.

 

[mmttww]

Christ almighty

That's a Goebbels-level intro. Fully mental. 'Time to stand and clap the Mum who demanded people be burned alive because she believed things Andrew Tate re-tweeted!'. F*cking morons.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not worth it. That guy needs to go back and start again in Reception he’s a total lost cause.

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It gets to a certain level of sheer stupidity I can’t help myself. Bad enough one of his fellow conspiracy mongers was put in charge of US health and is busy overseeing outbreaks of measles because he doesn’t believe in the MMR jab.

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m pretty sure a couple of posters on here would welcome the news of becoming the 51st state at this point.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I thrust of his speech was basically that the medical profession is inordinately influenced by industry interests, he argued that drug vendors should be subject to independent verification of their results.

Anyway you do as you see fit and I shall do as I see fit.

These reform weirdos need to make up their minds about regulation really don't they

 

[PVA]

I think I've missed this. Has it been decided that polls are 'fake news' now? Is it just some polls or polling in general?

All polls and surveys are totally worthless, except the ones that show Reform winning IIRC.

 

[Marty]

I’m pretty sure a couple of posters on here who’d welcome the news of becoming the 51st state at this point.

Only if I can be armed to the teeth, yeeeeehaw.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ok, let's deal with those then.

When the personal allowance is increased it actually benefits the rich most, as it means less of their income is in higher tax brackets. Also the same with upping the upper tax band. £42k at the time was well above the average wage (and still is) so actually benefits the rich and those on above average wages while poorer households get nothing from it at all.

What they're good at is making policies that on the face of it seem to be beneficial to 'normal' people but are in fact much more of a benefit for them and their rich mates.

Come on man, raising the personal allowance at least in line with inflation has been standard policy for years. That stupid Thatcherite moron chancellor not doing it currently will have an impact on everybody, the lowest paid and the higher paid. She is literally removing £ and therefore demand from the economy.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Anything that makes Nick have to face what a weird little racist he’s become makes him sad

Better to have a go at the mirror.

Morning, shmmmeee. Put some overtime in barking at the moon last night did you?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Come on man, raising the personal allowance at least in line with inflation has been standard policy for years. That stupid Thatcherite moron chancellor not doing it currently will have an impact on everybody, the lowest paid and the higher paid. She is literally removing £ and therefore demand from the economy.

I don't disagree with it increasing by inflation but the argument being made was they made these changes (which were well above inflation) for the benefit of average people. They weren't. It was for the benefit of those who are richer. The fact that it would have a small benefit to those on lower incomes was just something they could use for political spin - it was not the purpose of it.

And then you can argue that because it reduces tax revenues overall there is less to spend on public services, which are used more by those on low incomes, so what may have saved them £40 in income tax cost them £50 in reduced services and other benefits.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

All polls and surveys are totally worthless, except the ones that show Reform winning IIRC.

There will be a nationwide poll showing that in a few years time I guess.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There will be a nationwide poll showing that in a few years time I guess.

Yep like trumps new republican trump voter only polls

 

[Sick Boy]

There will be a nationwide poll showing that in a few years time I guess.

I can't wait for the Yank-wannabes to then claim the election was rigged and chanting "stop the steal" if they lose.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yep like trumps new republican trump voter only polls

Reform, like the Republicans they're doing a very poor tribute act to, do a hell of a lot of projection. They are the ones who really want to undermine free speech, electoral integrity, concentrate wealth in the hands of fewer people etc etc.

Said before, people are very right to be angry about living in big swathes of the country that were abandoned in the 80s and forgotten about ever since. The problem is that the far right have done brilliantly in leading them down the garden path to blaming the wrong people and wanting the wrong solutions.

My grandad grew up in a mining village, ultimately became a psychiatrist and had no problem until his dying days with paying higher taxes so that more could have access to opportunities that he didn't. He didn't have the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that's now prevalent on here and elsewhere.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I can't wait for the Yank-wannabes to then claim the election was rigged and chanting "stop the steal" if they lose.

The irony there being that their guy lost an election when he was the president and won two when he wasn't.