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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Is there not an epic battle game called “Fortnite” that shows the horrors of two weeks?

Terrorism capital T as in the law is specifically using damage or violence to overthrow the democratic process. The entire point it’s extra illegal is supposed to be because we don’t need to blow things up or attack policemen in a democracy, we just vote.

I’m sorry but at a time where mobs of people keep wanting to burn down hotels and ”chase off lefties” I’m really not going to bat for the right for direct action that involves serious property damage or violence against the police.

Israel are a shitty shitty state, but they are the elected government.
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They can be both that and terrorists.
 
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wingy

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shmmeee said:
Is there not an epic battle game called “Fortnite” that shows the horrors of two weeks?

Terrorism capital T as in the law is specifically using damage or violence to overthrow the democratic process. The entire point it’s extra illegal is supposed to be because we don’t need to blow things up or attack policemen in a democracy, we just vote.

I’m sorry but at a time where mobs of people keep wanting to burn down hotels and ”chase off lefties” I’m really not going to bat for the right for direct action that involves serious property damage or violence against the police.

Israel are a shitty shitty state, but they are the elected government.
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Except they're not at the moment elected as it's keeping Netenyahu out of jail!
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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mmttww said:
I mean, if what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank (and across some other borders) isn't doing this to some extent, to various degrees, I don't get it.
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A state using violence against another state is war, not terrorism.
 
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fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
In the government yes but she’s doesn’t just wake up one morning and decide FFS, she takes advice from security services. Yvette Cooper isn’t out there doing humint deep cover. The idea it was just “haha we hate the left” is more childish conspiratorial nonsense.
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She's the sole decision maker in law. There is no obligation for the home secretary to consult with relevant security services to proscribe any organisation.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Listening to old leading podcasts there’s a couple from november last year really interesting and useful about two state solution

Interesting listening back to people that really know about these things and still get things about what actually then does happen spectacularly wrong

especially about trump not being able to stand let alone win

does seem like the only hope of peace is a miracle breakthrough probably led by Saudi or Qatar so long as USA butt out
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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mmttww said:
Haven't you just posted a screenshot where one person supports your position, and another one says Israel's actions "fits into the definition of terrorism"?
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There’s no recognition of state terrorism as a concept. It’s something a few academics have coined. Under UK law the Terrorism Act defines terrorism as damage or violence with political ends. That’s what PA have been guilty of. Calling a state terrorist makes no sense as I posted people like the UN agreeing with me as we have the concept of war crimes. This idea that everything bad is everything bad is all over the left. No. Words mean things. War crimes, genocide, terrorism, all have defined meanings they’re not neoliberalism, you can’t just call anything you don’t like that.

Israel are not trying to change Palestinian governmental policy. They don’t even recognise the Palestinian state. They are committing war crimes an arguably genocide but they are not terrorists. They are state actors.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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tisza said:
Copying the Russians. take the territory even though nearly everyone is against you. Then you're negotiating from a position of strength.
In a world where might is right it seems.
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Have said that more than once on here in reference to both this and Ukraine. The US could stop this instantly, but is swimming in AIPAC cash.
 
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Jamesimus

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Famine now “confirmed” in Gaza (as if people didn’t already know this is happening).

In more recent months, the tone of reporting from major news places seems to be starting to shift more closely in line with support for Palestinians.
 
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