Lucy Letby (2 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Almost like she’s a murderer and people are taken in by a pretty face and a conspiracy theory online. Who would think?

There are questions over some of the evidence used to convict her, it's nothing to do with a pretty face. Anybody who believes in the justice system would support a retrial.

 

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[chiefdave]

Almost like she’s a murderer and people are taken in by a pretty face and a conspiracy theory online. Who would think?

I think we need to stage an intervention. That's Lucy Letby and Mattie Heaven shmmeee has said are hot in the last couple of weeks.

 

[David O'Day]

I think we need to stage an intervention. That's Lucy Letby and Mattie Heaven shmmeee has said are hot in the last couple of weeks.

He lives in Bedworth, they probably are to him now.

 

[Nick]

I think we need to stage an intervention. That's Lucy Letby and Mattie Heaven shmmeee has said are hot in the last couple of weeks.

Throw in rose west in her prime and get the party started

 

[SBT]

Almost like she’s a murderer and people are taken in by a pretty face and a conspiracy theory online. Who would think?

This is beneath you.

 

[rob9872]

You wish this is beneath you.

Edited for you

 

[SBT]

Throw in rose west in her prime and get the party started

Oh Me Oh Myra

 

[Grendel]

Throw in rose west in her prime and get the party started

Joanna Dennehy as well but get worried if she tries to make you wear a dress.

 

[wingy]

I think we need to stage an intervention. That's Lucy Letby and Mattie Heaven shmmeee has said are hot in the last couple of weeks.

Inquiry!
Another?

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

ITV have produced a really, really good documentary on the case that's on ITVX as well as YouTube:

I really appreciate this documentary for laying out the various issues with both the prosecution and defence cases and letting you draw your own conclusions. Feels like it was a very mismanaged process, at the very least.

 

[rob9872]

I think everyone accepts her counsel was poor, but iI still can't get past the basic premise of her case:

The deaths weren't before she was there
They stopped when she was caught
They all happened on her shift pattern with nobody else on all those shifts
She made notes about being evil and having killed them

Now I know some of you will have theories to debunk some of the above, but those collective points and the trauma of the families involved, I'd need to see something pretty compelling in her defence to overturn my opinion.

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

Everything you've listed in your post is covered in the documentary I linked; I would recommend giving it a watch, it's unbiased and very well put-together.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

For murder it’s normally
Motivation and means isn’t it?

 

[SBT]

I'd need to see something pretty compelling in her defence to overturn my opinion.

It’s certainly been interesting to see how much energy has been spent in this trial trying (and largely failing) to prove why she didn’t do it, versus trying to establish why she did.

 

[fatso]

Surely they should first of all establish if her conviction was sound?

If not then shouldn't she be released pending a re-trial?

Or am I missing something here?

After all this isnt an appeal process, its her defence claiming that key evidence was withheld and that statements/ evidence from key medical specialists wasn't heard.
(Which makes her legal team look piss poor)

Wouldn't a panel of judges re examine the case and just order a retrial?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Surely they should first of all establish if her conviction was sound?

If not then shouldn't she be released pending a re-trial?

Or am I missing something here?

After all this isnt an appeal process, its her defence claiming that key evidence was withheld and that statements/ evidence from key medical specialists wasn't heard.
(Which makes her legal team look piss poor)

Wouldn't a panel of judges re examine the case and just order a retrial?

They have it’s been rejected hadn’t it

 

[fatso]

They have it’s been rejected hadn’t it

There's been new evidence since then, including the fact that key prosecution witnesses were found to be lieing under oath.

And 3 managers from the hospital have been arrested (apparently) and charged with gross negligence manslaughter.
They conspired to blame her for their negligence by all accounts?

(So im told, it could all be BS as I havn't looked too deeply into it myself)

Im definitely going to watch the documentary.

 

[Farmer Jim]

There's been new evidence since then, including the fact that key prosecution witnesses were found to be lieing under oath.

And 3 managers from the hospital have been arrested (apparently) and charged with gross negligence manslaughter.
They conspired to blame her for their negligence by all accounts?

(So im told, it could all be BS as I havn't looked too deeply into it myself)

Im definitely going to watch the documentary.

They haven`t been charged, the investigation into them is on going.

The allegations against them, relate to them ignoring and brushing under the carpet complaints / information / concerns about Letby that had been brought to them by other members of staff, to protect their own positions within the hospital.

If they had acted and done something about Letby when they were notified, then further deaths could`ve been prevented, as Letby would`ve been arrested and stopped earlier.

There could still be further charges coming down the pipe line for for her too, as there`s an ongoing investigation into incidents at the Womens hospital in Liverpool, where she did a placement and stuff happened there too.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My statistician friend is in it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Watched it now
Am of the strong belief that there’s been a miscarriage of justice and it’s only a matter of time until she’s released

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Watched it now
Am on the strong belief that there’s been a miscarriage of justice and it’s only a matter of time until she’s released

Yeah, I’m really very far from a conspiracy theorist…from the bits I’ve read/seen there’s a lot to question about her conviction.

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah, I’m really very far from a conspiracy theorist…from the bits I’ve read/seen there’s a lot to question about her conviction.

I mean there’s been a huge media campaign to try and prove her innocent so I’m not surprised that people who have consumed that campaign find her innocent.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I mean there’s been a huge media campaign to try and prove her innocent so I’m not surprised that people who have consumed that campaign find her innocent.

Ooooo I don’t know about innocent but absolutely huge questions about beyond reasonable doubt and the quality of the legal system that allowed her defence to be

come on do you really believe what they said?

 

[shmmeee]

Ooooo I don’t know about innocent but absolutely huge questions about beyond reasonable doubt and the quality of the legal system that allowed her defence to be

come on do you really believe what they said?

Yes I believe the people who watched all the evidences presented by both sides have a better view than people who have watched a biased documentary designed to make money.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes I believe the people who watched all the evidences presented by both sides have a better view than people who have watched a biased documentary designed to make money.

Which one was that?

 

[shmmeee]

Which one was that?

Literally every “truth about letby” piece of media out there. Sorry mate I just see it as another “I’ve watch a YouTube vid and know I know enough to say people who worked on this were wrong”. I’ve seen nothing from the bits I’ve seen to suggest she didn’t do it or that it’s even a question. Mostly it’s parroting the arguments made by her lawyers and rejected that leave out key elements of the case or focus on minor issues in the grand scheme. T

 

[Grendel]

Ooooo I don’t know about innocent but absolutely huge questions about beyond reasonable doubt and the quality of the legal system that allowed her defence to be

come on do you really believe what they said?

You’ve literally just described it as a huge miscarriage of justice

 

[Terry_dactyl]

I mean there’s been a huge media campaign to try and prove her innocent so I’m not surprised that people who have consumed that campaign find her innocent.

I’m not even sure it needs to be as far as ‘innocent’ just that the trial and the evidence presented/not presented seems to have been v questionable.

I guess you could ask why has there been such a campaign in the first place? The bits I’ve read - I’ve not watched any documentaries - appear to be from legitimate sources.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Yes I believe the people who watched all the evidences presented by both sides have a better view than people who have watched a biased documentary designed to make money.

Sorry but does this mean there can never be miscarriages of justice?

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

Literally every “truth about letby” piece of media out there. Sorry mate I just see it as another “I’ve watch a YouTube vid and know I know enough to say people who worked on this were wrong”. I’ve seen nothing from the bits I’ve seen to suggest she didn’t do it or that it’s even a question. Mostly it’s parroting the arguments made by her lawyers and rejected that leave out key elements of the case or focus on minor issues in the grand scheme. T

It is always worth bearing in mind that the original jury saw nine months of evidence/testimony and the ITV documentary clearly can't cover all of them. I found a Youtube channel run by someone who was present at the entire trial, he came away with no doubt whatsoever that Letby was guilty.

 

[SBT]

I mean there’s been a huge media campaign to try and prove her innocent so I’m not surprised that people who have consumed that campaign find her innocent.

Why has there been a huge media campaign? Is it the press’ notorious penchant for convicted baby killers shining through again?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You’ve literally just described it as a huge miscarriage of justice

I stand by it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sorry but does this mean there can never be miscarriages of justice?

There’s many. I’m more closely aware as one of the experts on the programme is a personal friend

 

[chiefdave]

Can be both, you can think that there's unanswered questions but also believe that the correct decision was made based on the evidence presented at the time.

None of us sat through every day of the trial so its near impossible to say but there's enough people who have far more knowledge in this area, and have studied the case closely, who have doubts so surely you'd want to look again to ensure everything was correct.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Can be both, you can think that there's unanswered questions but also believe that the correct decision was made based on the evidence presented at the time.

None of us sat through every day of the trial so its near impossible to say but there's enough people who have far more knowledge in this area, and have studied the case closely, who have doubts so surely you'd want to look again to ensure everything was correct.

Nah decision made and when have we ever had miscarriages of justice before lol