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Grendel
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Not really - Duckett played high risk from the off - just as well or we’d be fucked by now
There's being aggressive, exciting and attacking. Then there's stupid. A couple of overs before lunch, hard job is done, then gifts a wicket.
In your own "acceptance", would you accept a striker scoring 20 goals in the season, but who shot every time he had the ball (including in our own half) and therefore dismantling the team effort? We miss out on the play offs because the "team" didnt get a look in, but you have to accept it for the good of the 20 goal striker who excited us all with a goal from the halfway line once!
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Joe Root being the perfect example. The best batter in the world, knows when to sit, when to defend, when to attack, and when to ramp the ball.
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I think what’s happened since proved the batters this morning played the right way. I’ve not seen any commentator having an issue with duckett and if anything, they praised the openers for putting Indian under pressure, making them change the field and closing the gap to on India’s total quickly before they got a ball with their name on it….we scored at 7 an over. Both shastri and pointing praised them at lunch. Even atherton and Nasser, not known for their aggressive batting, have said it was right was for them to play that way today
The football analogy doesnt work here because this is how the management want the openers to play and also how the players have decided to play on this pitch, in these conditions. It was a bad shot by duckett but he’d also played a similar shot for six not long before, that’s how he plays. If we’d had the old mentality with Sibley etc, trying to grind out a score in these conditions on this pitch, I’d imagine we’d have been all out for 150 or less. The openers have kept us in this.
As i say, it was a bad shot, my point was we’ve got to take the bad with the good sometimes. If certain players get a load of runs through unconventional, aggressive play in difficult conditions, we’ve also got to accept that theyll also probably get out playing that way as well.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Didn't look to be many high risk efforts to me. It was the right thing to be more expansive, but it needed winding down in the last bit of play before lunch. He even got a let off immediately beforehand.
Best batter in the world though. Also scored less than both Crawley and Duckett in this innings
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not being funny Steve, I agree with the bulk of this, but to reiterate again that the criticism isn't for going out with that approach, it's for not switching it off at the right time.
Every/any time a player gets out to a shot like that would be the wrong time…..it looks horrible. Pope still managed to get another 12 before lunch himself. Problem has been what’s happened after lunch not before
Brighton Sky Blue
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Agree on the second point
Exactly this. He'd had a let off, literally trying the same shot the very ball before hand. The bowler knows exactly what he was going to do and he played straight in to his hands. Ive never been against expansive, attacking cricket. IF its played with a bit of noggin too!
Also, in response football analogy not working as he's playing the way the management want him to play, exactly the same scenario as before, 20 goal striker etc, but only doing so on FL instruction, how long before you are calling for FL to be sacked?
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StrettoBoy
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Catches win matches.
Catches win matches.
Thrown the game away
fatso
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The Indian fielders had butter fingers in the first test, and now we've got the same issue in the last test.
Bloody frustrating as we are a man down in the bowling department. Imagine running in in this heat, and finally getting an edge, only to see some numpty drop it
tisza
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trying the reverse psychology.
Picking Overton & Bethall when they've played next to no red ball cricket in this year is ridiculous. Overton seems a classic Surrey-bias pick especially as it's his "home" pitch but he's only played two red ball games at the Oval in the last 2 years and bowled about 40 overs there.
Today going to tell us a lot about the heart & brains of this England batting line up
Picking Overton & Bethall when they've played next to no red ball cricket in this year is ridiculous. Overton seems a classic Surrey-bias pick especially as it's his "home" pitch but he's only played two red ball games at the Oval in the last 2 years and bowled about 40 overs there.
Today going to tell us a lot about the heart & brains of this England batting line up
Terry Gibson's perm
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It was a waste of time Bethell being at the ipl as it suited India him not playing any red ball cricket before the tests, he should have been at Warwickshire making runs. Overtime is a ridiculous pick he isn’t good with the bat or ball if he played for Derby he wouldn’t even be in the thinking of the selectors.
Pope is a poor captain
Pope is a poor captain
tisza
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Hmm who does Pope play for ?????????????????
Only potential benefit of the strange picks is we bat very deep (on paper) which is even more important with Woakes out. Agree about it being a real test of mentality today and I’ll be interested if we can at least make a game of it….we seem to either chase down massive scores or just totally collapse
Also agree about Pope. Lucky to be in the team let alone captain (he looked lost yesterday). It’s about time he delivered in a second innings under pressure with the bat
Mental that even with ten men, some strange selections and Atkinson only just returning from injury, if we’d taken just a couple of the catches, especially one or two on Friday night, we’d have been in with a massive chance of winning
ps fair play to the three quicks for the huge effort they put in yesterday though.
Also agree about Pope. Lucky to be in the team let alone captain (he looked lost yesterday). It’s about time he delivered in a second innings under pressure with the bat
Mental that even with ten men, some strange selections and Atkinson only just returning from injury, if we’d taken just a couple of the catches, especially one or two on Friday night, we’d have been in with a massive chance of winning
ps fair play to the three quicks for the huge effort they put in yesterday though.
Liquid Gold
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Crawley better be good in the ashes after all this.
He just has the air of someone waiting to get out, not what you want from an opener at all.
He just has the air of someone waiting to get out, not what you want from an opener at all.
tisza
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that's why we've got to be a bit sensible. They've only got 3 quicks so got to make them bowl a lot of overs
Looks like that’s the way we’re playing….so far. Don’t want to get stuck in a rut either though, appreciate that’s unlikely with this England team !
SkyBlueSoul
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What is the point of a review like that? He knew he hadn't hit it, and from his face you could tell he thought he was plumb. Surely Root can't have thought much different. With a fairly deep tail surely you don't want to burn one "just in case".
fatso
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I think the problem is they know there's very little batting left after Root and Brook, and there's too much time left in the match.
So its pure desperation on the batman's part.
I expect at some stage we'll lose our heads and start gifting wickets away in our usual batting collapse, that's what we tend to do when faced with a bit of pressure.
Bazball is ok when the situation allows, but we can't get out of that mindset.
What today calls for is a "Geoffrey Boycott" mentality, ie, stay in at all costs, dont throw your wicket away, and accumulate runs in singles. There's plenty of time to win the game.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I agree, but that requires a discipline that's beyond this group of players. Like having a whole group of Kevin 'It's just the way I play' Pietersen types
LastGarrison
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Liquid Gold
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Brook needs to calm the fuck down
tisza
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152 runs they cost. No-one but themsleves to blame if they lose this one - even with Woakes injuryCatches win matches.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I just can't see past a 5-0 embarrassment in Australia, this India side is very raw and expectations on their side weren't that high coming into this series.