Our strikers…… (1 Viewer)

[skybluecam]

Has he? He’s barely played. Unfortunately he’s two yards too slow. He can create the odd thing but his overall impact is patchy.

Disagree, he had more good games than bad for me and when he’s on it he has a big impact.

 

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[fatso]

Has he? He’s barely played. Unfortunately he’s two yards too slow. He can create the odd thing but his overall impact is patchy.

What????

He played more than Sheaf did last year, and scored 6 goals to Sheaf's fuck all.

In fact he scored the same amount of goals as Simms, our £25k a week CF!!!

 

[alexccfc99]

Happy to keep BTA as a squad player, I think he serves a purpose coming off the bench against at tired defence as he did against Boro on the last game of the season

As for Simms, if he’s the answer then fuck knows what the question is

 

[wingy]

Disagree, he had more good games than bad for me and when he’s on it he has a big impact.

He's certainly responding to the change of management,it was becoming evident last season that his endurance was getting better, injury apart, always giving cheap fouls away as well.

 

[Cov98]

Has he? He’s barely played. Unfortunately he’s two yards too slow. He can create the odd thing but his overall impact is patchy.

He immediately made an impact and improved things hugely when he came on against Betis. Looked head and shoulders above Sheaf.

 

[DT-R]

You want 5 strikers for 1 position and to play a RB on the wing

Nice one

No, i want 1 good striker and 1 half decent back up and I want Simms and BTA gone!

I also want Saka on the wing, I'm just mooting the possibility of KKH offering cover there. Hes scored 1/3 of all our goals scored pre season playing at RB so is clearly happy to get forward and has an eye for goal. It's more than ANY of our current strikers have atm

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

No, i want 1 good striker and 1 half decent back up and I want Simms and BTA gone!

I also want Saka on the wing, I'm just mooting the possibility of KKH offering cover there. Hes scored 1/3 of all our goals scored pre season playing at RB so is clearly happy to get forward and has an eye for goal. It's more than ANY of our current strikers have atm

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What a terrible shout. KKH scored has 3 goals in 82 championship games…

Likewise, Sakamoto just isn’t a goal threat. Good facilitator but to round out the squad you need wingers who can change the game from the bench/rotate where there’s injuries.

In any case, the only striker likely to leave by the end of the window is Bassette.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Raphael looks ok i think he will be quite a p;layer once he gets a consistant run of minutes going.

 

[Nick]

After today we deffo need new strikers

 

[oscillatewildly]

Thought this would be about nurses rejecting a pay offer

We need to show proper appreciation for our strikers at the Hull game by bashing some pans together.
Don’t bring the lids though, they won’t let you bring the lids in.

 

[wingy]

What a terrible shout. KKH scored has 3 goals in 82 championship games…

Likewise, Sakamoto just isn’t a goal threat. Good facilitator but to round out the squad you need wingers who can change the game from the bench/rotate where there’s injuries.

In any case, the only striker likely to leave by the end of the window is Bassette.

I'm going to pick you up on this view of Sakamoto, he's doing different things to the original season with us, he's fine either way for me.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Cally, did you see the game on Wednesday, I know it was only a cameo role from Torp, but he was all over the pitch, chasing things down, wanting the ball etc, I think we need to give him a chance to see how he progresses this term, he didn't look 2 yards too slow to me

I did. And he did have a good game. I’d love to be proven wrong. We’ll see.

 

[skyblu3sk]

For me it depends how leaky our defense is... If they ship goals like the start of the season no, if we are hoping to take games mostly 1-0 then yes with the rest of the team chipping in.

Still this for me... Hopefully the defence will gel and quickly.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I'm going to pick you up on this view of Sakamoto, he's doing different things to the original season with us, he's fine either way for me.

It’s illustrative. Even if Sakamoto is the starter, there’s no one pushing him or EMC for a starting berth, at push, maybe Rapha.

We’re fixating on 2 sub strikers who both got more goals than our starting wingers.

At the very least, surely you want the option to sub both your wingers if they’re having a sub-par performance. Right now, we can’t do this without shifting players around our position.

 

[wingy]

It’s illustrative. Even if Sakamoto is the starter, there’s no one pushing him or EMC for a starting berth, at push, maybe Rapha.

We’re fixating on 2 sub strikers who both got more goals than our starting wingers.

At the very least, surely you want the option to sub both your wingers if they’re having a sub-par performance. Right now, we can’t do this without shifting players around our position.

I guess I take that in effect that there is nothing wrong with his input or output but yeah he does need a sub option or competition as everyone puts it, but on that front I disagree.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I guess I take that in effect that there is nothing wrong with his input or output but yeah he does need a sub option or competition as everyone puts it, but on that front I disagree.

Do you think 4 goals is good enough from the wing?

His assists are good, 26th in the league is generally good. There were 14 wingers with more assists and most of them scored more than him too.

Sakamoto is deservedly a cult hero, but is he a top end winger in the Championship? No.

 

[wingy]

Do you think 4 goals is good enough from the wing?

His assists are good, 26th in the league is generally good. There were 14 wingers with more assists and most of them scored more than him too.

Sakamoto is deservedly a cult hero, but is he a top end winger in the Championship? No.

Pretty sure I saw him in the 92 percentile for his position on some site today.

 

[StrettoBoy]

Wright is good enough at this level. There are clearly question marks against the others.

Simms is just an enigma. As others have said, he seems to have all of the required attributes but doesn’t use them. If only he could be more successful with his headers, like his lovely goal against St Pauli yesterday.

I think Bassette and BT-A would be more successful if we played two through the middle, as they can drag defenders out of position creating gaps for others to exploit.

 

[Lamps]

It’s illustrative. Even if Sakamoto is the starter, there’s no one pushing him or EMC for a starting berth, at push, maybe Rapha.

We’re fixating on 2 sub strikers who both got more goals than our starting wingers.

At the very least, surely you want the option to sub both your wingers if they’re having a sub-par performance. Right now, we can’t do this without shifting players around our position.

The job of a winger is to get the ball to the strikers and help out with goals when they can. The job of a striker is to score goals. EMC managed to get 6. How many did Simms and BTA manage to get? With Wright missing months of the season we managed to get a good look at them.....

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The job of a winger is to get the ball to the strikers and help out with goals when they can. The job of a striker is to score goals. EMC managed to get 6. How many did Simms and BTA manage to get? With Wright missing months of the season we managed to get a good look at them.....

Especially as our game plan seems to be for the wide forwards to stay wide and put crosses in the box.

If they were encouraged to come inside and shoot more often I'd expect a bigger goal return. As it is I'd hope for them to have a decent number of assists (though that also relies on a striker knocking the crosses in).

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The job of a winger is to get the ball to the strikers and help out with goals when they can. The job of a striker is to score goals. EMC managed to get 6. How many did Simms and BTA manage to get? With Wright missing months of the season we managed to get a good look at them.....

Look at the top teams in the division, the top scorers are increasingly being dominated by midfielders and wingers.

Most teams play with 1 striker nowadays and an old Robins formula from League 2 is that promotion-chasing teams need ‘3.5 goal scorers’ in the starting 11. Our starting 11 has 2.5 at a push, Wright, Rudoni and EMC.

I can’t quite understand why you’re kicking up such a fuss about it 2 strikers who are on the bench and still out scored Sakamoto playing less minutes. In any case, with Simms and BTA, the data shows they are good enough for their projected roles next season. You’re basing everything Haji Wright getting injured for another 3-4 months which is unlikely to happen.

The sooner you accept we’re not signing a striker, the better. It ain’t happening.

 

[Lamps]

Look at the top teams in the division, the top scorers are increasingly being dominated by midfielders and wingers.

Most teams play with 1 striker nowadays and an old Robins formula from League 2 is that promotion-chasing teams need ‘3.5 goal scorers’ in the starting 11. Our starting 11 has 2.5 at a push, Wright, Rudoni and EMC.

I can’t quite understand why you’re kicking up such a fuss about it 2 strikers who are on the bench and still out scored Sakamoto playing less minutes. In any case, with Simms and BTA, the data shows they are good enough for their projected roles next season. You’re basing everything Haji Wright getting injured for another 3-4 months which is unlikely to happen.

The sooner you accept we’re not signing a striker, the better. It ain’t happening.

How would you know we're not trying to bring in a striker? You're taking a guess and stating it as a fact.

I know you think Simms and BTA are good enough. 85% don't agree with you. And there's good reasons for this.

And onto your positions that score and what's needed. A striker who can score his fair share of goals would also help cover another position. If EMC got injured Wright could take his slot.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How would you know we're not trying to bring in a striker? You're taking a guess and stating it as a fact.

I know you think Simms and BTA are good enough. 85% don't agree with you. And there's good reasons for this.

And onto your positions that score and what's needed. A striker who can score his fair share of goals would also help cover another position. If EMC got injured Wright could take his slot.

I don’t know for sure, but we’ve spent £16m on strikers, we’re not going to completely U-turn on them after 1 season. That’s just common sense.

If you look at Simms and BTA’s goal tallies in 23/24 and 22/23, it’s better than what people want from a striker. The difference between you and the others who want a striker is that they still think Haji’s best position is LW - it’s not.

Ironically, your entire justification is that we need a striker is Haji Wright being injury prone. In the next sentence, this same ‘injury prone’ player in your mind will also cover EMC if he gets injured? You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Sakamoto, Rapha, Haji and EMC have all missed about a third of a season in 23/24 or 24/25. Wingers is a high attrition position and it’s an area where you need numbers.

It’s a glaringly obvious gap in our squad, even more than CB if MVE stays past deadline day.

 

[Cally Fedora]

BTA is definitely good enough given a run. The problem is we have Wright and EMC who we want to start with but prefer the same position. Injuries will solve that to an extent but Lampard has to be brave and play one of the left siders rather than trying to shoehorn both in.

 

[Lamps]

I don’t know for sure, but we’ve spent £16m on strikers, we’re not going to completely U-turn on them after 1 season. That’s just common sense.

If you look at Simms and BTA’s goal tallies in 23/24 and 22/23, it’s better than what people want from a striker. The difference between you and the others who want a striker is that they still think Haji’s best position is LW - it’s not.

Ironically, your entire justification is that we need a striker is Haji Wright being injury prone. In the next sentence, this same ‘injury prone’ player in your mind will also cover EMC if he gets injured? You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Sakamoto, Rapha, Haji and EMC have all missed about a third of a season in 23/24 or 24/25. Wingers is a high attrition position and it’s an area where you need numbers.

It’s a glaringly obvious gap in our squad, even more than CB if MVE stays past deadline day.

So you agree and disagree?

We need cover. I agree Wright is better in the middle but is also very good on the left. That's cover for a winger if needed.

You keep going on about previous seasons for Simms and BTA. I prefer to look at the most recent especially under a new manager and system. Last season neither were good enough. You know this as well as we all do. Lampard is slowly bringing in his own players. He most probably would like to move on one of them but it would have to be for the right price.

 

[Lamps]

BTA is definitely good enough given a run. The problem is we have Wright and EMC who we want to start with but prefer the same position. Injuries will solve that to an extent but Lampard has to be brave and play one of the left siders rather than trying to shoehorn both in.

Wright has stated he prefers playing in the middle. He laughed at supposedly being left footed.

If BTA was more aware of what's going on around him he would be a better player. It would also help if the corner flag wasn't in more danger than the goal with some of his shots.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Wright has stated he prefers playing in the middle. He laughed at supposedly being left footed.

If BTA was more aware of what's going on around him he would be a better player. It would also help if the corner flag wasn't in more danger than the goal with some of his shots.

But I think that depends on how you play your middle striker.

If you want to play him through down the middle running onto through balls, yes. If we're pumping balls into the box from the wings to get his head on - less so.

Similarly with the left forward position. Having him run at players, potentially cutting inside to shoot. yes. having him run down the wing to put crosses in, no.

Trouble is our current set up is not suited to either the way he plays in the middle or off the left.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

So you agree and disagree?

We need cover. I agree Wright is better in the middle but is also very good on the left. That's cover for a winger if needed.

You keep going on about previous seasons for Simms and BTA. I prefer to look at the most recent especially under a new manager and system. Last season neither were good enough. You know this as well as we all do. Lampard is slowly bringing in his own players. He most probably would like to move on one of them but it would have to be for the right price.

First and foremost, you play your best players in their positions. Haji is our best striker and he shouldn’t need to

Second point, 24/25 is an outlier for BTA and Simms so the club aren’t just going to pivot and sign a new striker to sit behind Haji. The priority of the club is to find a way to get the most out of those players. If 25/26 is a repeat, then you can expect movement.

Final point, with no new incomings, if Sakamoto and EMC were to get injured, you’d probably have to play Rudoni and Haji out wide and if that doesn’t tell you we need wide players… what will?

Lampard specifically mentioned depth in recent interviews, which indicates we’re looking at fulfilling positional needs (to be clear, where there isn’t enough players for a full campaign).

 

[Lamps]

First and foremost, you play your best players in their positions. Haji is our best striker and he shouldn’t need to

Second point, 24/25 is an outlier for BTA and Simms so the club aren’t just going to pivot and sign a new striker to sit behind Haji. The priority of the club is to find a way to get the most out of those players. If 25/26 is a repeat, then you can expect movement.

Final point, with no new incomings, if Sakamoto and EMC were to get injured, you’d probably have to play Rudoni and Haji out wide and if that doesn’t tell you we need wide players… what will?

Lampard specifically mentioned depth in recent interviews, which indicates we’re looking at fulfilling positional needs (to be clear, where there isn’t enough players for a full campaign).

Look let's just agree to disagree. This is just constantly going around in circles.

You think Simms and BTA are good enough. Most of us think differently. When questioned on positions needed to strengthen Lampard wouldn't say if we were after a striker.

We will see what happens between now and September 1st.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Look let's just agree to disagree. This is just constantly going around in circles.

You think Simms and BTA are good enough. Most of us think differently. When questioned on positions needed to strengthen Lampard wouldn't say if we were after a striker.

We will see what happens between now and September 1st.

That’s not what this ‘debate’ is about. It’s actually about what’s a higher priority in terms of where we need improve.

I’ve been consistent in saying that we’ve got a top championship striker on the books and it’s actually our wingers where need more goals. Haji Wright starts for all the teams who finished above us last season, Sakamoto and EMC don’t.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Wright has stated he prefers playing in the middle. He laughed at supposedly being left footed.

If BTA was more aware of what's going on around him he would be a better player. It would also help if the corner flag wasn't in more danger than the goal with some of his shots.

BTA is aware. I take you back to the final game of the season. Wright completely fails to play BTA in. Next play BTA wins on the half way line and puts Rudoni in for the comfort goal