Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

[Grendel]

You Grendel and Nick the United Peoples Front. Protecting the ISAs and private schools of the working man. 🫡

How’s the flat in Bedworth? You really are a jealous chap aren’t you? Was one of your siblings sent to private school? It would explain the rage.

 

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[Grendel]

I had some inheritance money from some dead grandparents. Is that not allowed?

IHT free I assume?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Doubtful. What are the circumstances that will lead to an early election? They're not going to lose a confidence vote realistically with the majority they have.

Honestly, it’s unprecedented but after how many more U-turns before Starmer packs it in or is kicked out? A new leader and there’ll be calls for a new election.

I didn’t vote for Labour but at least thought they could push through some meaningful reforms that could benefit the country. It’s a wasted government and it’s already ran out of steam.

Apparently, according to Labour-leaning ‘sources’ I follow on X, Starmer said the welfare bill was a matter of ‘confidence’ and the number of rebelling MPs supposedly grew.

In my view, Labour is in an identity crisis because what or who does the party actually stand for? Seriously, if Corbyn launches a new party it could be cataclysmic for Labour.

 

[wingy]

Doesn't hit the threshold does it.

 

[wingy]

Honestly, it’s unprecedented but after how many more U-turns before Starmer packs it in or is kicked out? A new leader and there’ll be calls for a new election.

I didn’t vote for Labour but at least thought they could push through some meaningful reforms that could benefit the country. It’s a wasted government and it’s already ran out of steam.

Apparently, according to Labour-leaning ‘sources’ I follow on X, Starmer said the welfare bill was a matter of ‘confidence’ and the number of rebelling MPs supposedly grew.

In my view, Labour is in an identity crisis because what or who does the party actually stand for? Seriously, if Corbyn launches a new party it could be cataclysmic for Labour.

Did I read it on here,or pick it up online but the guy behind it all could've been a Tory adviser, Liz Kendall, Reeve's come out like storm troopers with their firm talk,!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Did I read it on here,or pick it up online but the guy behind it all could've been a Tory adviser, Liz Kendall, Reeve's come out like storm troopers with their firm talk,!

No idea. Which scenario would be worse:

1) an ex/current Tory advisor dictating policy for a Labour government

2) Labour actually drafted these plans themselves

Both scenarios are pretty damning and frankly, the government can’t claim to be in control.

At least when Tony Blair put the Iraq War motion to parliament, he had the bollocks to threaten resignation when facing a significant backbench rebellion. For all Blair’s many faults, he generally stood behind what he believed was the ‘right’ policy (ironically, this example ended up being v wrong).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No idea. Which scenario would be worse:

1) an ex/current Tory advisor dictating policy for a Labour government

2) Labour actually drafted these plans themselves

Both scenarios are pretty damning and frankly, the government can’t claim to be in control.

At least when Tony Blair put the Iraq War motion to parliament, he had the bollocks to threaten resignation when facing a significant backbench rebellion. For all Blair’s many faults, he generally stood behind what he believed was the ‘right’ policy (ironically, this example ended up being v wrong).

Blair should have stood in The Hague with fellow war criminal Bush. Not a great example. He lied to the British public, and to Parliament, and he knew he was lying.

 

[shmmeee]

Christ. Jealous and bitter about "wealthy" people putting money in savings now?

Wanting people to pay tax isn’t jealousy you weirdo. I probably earn more than you.

 

[Captain Dart]

Sounds pretty Tory to try and nudge people to invest in stocks and shares

Which could be investment funds in Far East or US businesses.

 

[Nick]

Wanting people to pay tax isn’t jealousy you weirdo. I probably earn more than you.

Apart from when you're going to the cash point to pay your drug dealer.

This is the issue with those who obsess over politics, usually massive hypocrites.

You probably do, it's you going on about people being "wealthy".

 

[Grendel]

Seems last nights shambles is being discussed everywhere but not much on here.

I wonder why

The PM faced down his party on welfare and lost. I suspect things may only get worse

The prime minister has suffered damage to his authority and lost goodwill among some Labour MPs over how efforts to reform welfare have unfolded - and it may be Rachel Reeves picking up the pieces.

news.sky.com

 

[SBT]

Probably because Starmer’s so damn popular on here.

 

[tisza]

I didn’t vote for Labour but at least thought they could push through some meaningful reforms that could benefit the country. It’s a wasted government and it’s already ran out of steam.

They are just finding out Govt is difficult (lack of practice). You can't do everything, you can't keep everybody happy etc

 

[Mcbean]

Apparently with all the changes the new welfare policy will apparently cost us the tax payer more - incompetence at its highest level

 

[fernandopartridge]

Apparently with all the changes the new welfare policy will apparently cost us the tax payer more - incompetence at its highest level

Taxpayers do not pay for government spending

 

[Mcbean]

Taxpayers do not pay for government spending

Are we ( if you are in business ) not paying for the 22 Bn black hole ?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

They are just finding out Govt is difficult (lack of practice). You can't do everything, you can't keep everybody happy etc

The problem is, they’re not making anyone happy - even their own side. Starmer has very little authority already.

 

[mmttww]

I wonder why

because it's been apparent for a while that Starmer is pretty useless and can't really lead. It's not a shock.

 

[Grendel]

because it's been apparent for a while that Starmer is pretty useless and can't really lead. It's not a shock.

Many on here still think he is doing very well.

 

[chiefdave]

Probably because Starmer’s so damn popular on here.

Sure we'll be told its all part of some brilliant plan to win the next election, that's normally what we get.

Seems to be an increasing number of Westminster journalists reporting that questions are being asked of how tenable Reeves continuing in the role of chancellor is. Would not be at all surprised to see the blame passed on to her. A convenient get out for Starmer and would likely also allow them to abandon the fiscal rules that are tying them in knots.

 

[Grendel]

Sure we'll be told its all part of some brilliant plan to win the next election, that's normally what we get.

Seems to be an increasing number of Westminster journalists reporting that questions are being asked of how tenable Reeves continuing in the role of chancellor is. Would not be at all surprised to see the blame passed on to her. A convenient get out for Starmer and would likely also allow them to abandon the fiscal rules that are tying them in knots.

Kendall wasn’t even sitting on the front bench at PMQs

 

[mmttww]

Many on here still think he is doing very well.

I think that's a stretch. I don't see much defence of him or what his doing from folks who you'd probably class as left wing politically.

 

[Nuskyblue]

Blair should have stood in The Hague with fellow war criminal Bush. Not a great example. He lied to the British public, and to Parliament, and he knew he was lying.

Tony Blair, what ever happened to him...

Is he still the Middle East Peace Envoy?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Are we ( if you are in business ) not paying for the 22 Bn black hole ?

It doesn't exist in reality, it's based on a nonsensical thatcherite doctrine

 

[Grendel]

I think that's a stretch. I don't see much defence of him or what his doing from folks who you'd probably class as left wing politically.

@shmmeee @PVA @Sky Blue Pete I see staunch support from?

 

[Grendel]

Zarah not happy

 

[tisza]

Are we ( if you are in business ) not paying for the 22 Bn black hole ?

This refers to Modern Monetary Theory. Simply that taxpayer money is paying off Govt debt rather than financing Govt spending.

 

[wingy]

Seem to remember M3 had a significant role when I was a boy?

 

[shmmeee]

Sure we'll be told its all part of some brilliant plan to win the next election, that's normally what we get.

Seems to be an increasing number of Westminster journalists reporting that questions are being asked of how tenable Reeves continuing in the role of chancellor is. Would not be at all surprised to see the blame passed on to her. A convenient get out for Starmer and would likely also allow them to abandon the fiscal rules that are tying them in knots.

Seems to be that the strategist who “won them the election” Morgan McSweeney (who, if like me you believe in these kind of things, looks a right c**t) is behind all of this. Allegedly wanted to sack 10MPs an hour until they agreed to the PIP cuts. Some of the quotes coming out of number ten right now sound like a bad parody of the thick of it. Mate if you can’t manage a massive majority that’s on you. If anyone goes as a sacrificial lamb I’d expect him first.

I will say though, this is why you vote in Labour MPs, because ultimately that’s what meant they could rebel. Would have been useless in opposition.

 

[mmttww]

Zarah not happy...

Good, also not exactly a shock.

 

[SBAndy]

Seems to be that the strategist who “won them the election” Morgan McSweeney (who, if like me you believe in these kind of things, looks a right c**t) is behind all of this. Allegedly wanted to sack 10MPs an hour until they agreed to the PIP cuts. Some of the quotes coming out of number ten right now sound like a bad parody of the thick of it. Mate if you can’t manage a massive majority that’s on you. If anyone goes as a sacrificial lamb I’d expect him first.

I will say though, this is why you vote in Labour MPs, because ultimately that’s what meant they could rebel. Would have been useless in opposition.

McSweeney is, to my mind at least, undoubtedly the key protagonist behind all of this. But track record suggests he above all else will be retained by Starmer.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Seems to be that the strategist who “won them the election” Morgan McSweeney (who, if like me you believe in these kind of things, looks a right c**t) is behind all of this. Allegedly wanted to sack 10MPs an hour until they agreed to the PIP cuts. Some of the quotes coming out of number ten right now sound like a bad parody of the thick of it. Mate if you can’t manage a massive majority that’s on you. If anyone goes as a sacrificial lamb I’d expect him first.

I will say though, this is why you vote in Labour MPs, because ultimately that’s what meant they could rebel. Would have been useless in opposition.

The fundamental issue is that Labour did not have a detailed manifesto to fall back on.

Rachel Reeves will be ditched, perhaps McSweeney too. Make no mistake, Starmer is on borrowed time as PM.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Seems to be that the strategist who “won them the election” Morgan McSweeney (who, if like me you believe in these kind of things, looks a right c**t) is behind all of this. Allegedly wanted to sack 10MPs an hour until they agreed to the PIP cuts. Some of the quotes coming out of number ten right now sound like a bad parody of the thick of it. Mate if you can’t manage a massive majority that’s on you. If anyone goes as a sacrificial lamb I’d expect him first.

I will say though, this is why you vote in Labour MPs, because ultimately that’s what meant they could rebel. Would have been useless in opposition.

It is bizarre after the Cummings debacle that Labour just copied the same "model" of some weirdo technocrat making all the decisions.

 

[SBAndy]

Reeves seems to have been crying in the chamber today. Think she knows her race is run.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Reeves seems to have been crying in the chamber today. Think she knows her race is run.

First person to have been checkmated by Starmer since he became PM