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Hobo

Hobo

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shmmeee said:
I can’t see us going into next season with just Rapha as backup for the wings guys. He’s been playing U21 consistently for a while clearly fitness isn’t an issue.
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What level of fitness? We are not talking just fit to play are we. For instance when Cov Rugby went up to the Championship they knew there would be a jump. They really put a lot of extra work in pre season and then admitted by Christmas they had still under estimated it.

It takes time for players to adjust and move through the fitness levels and that is without injury set backs.

Torp is another example as well, because he hasn't consistently reached the level yet.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Hobo said:
What level of fitness? We are not talking just fit to play are we. For instance when Cov Rugby went up to the Championship they knew there would be a jump. They really put a lot of extra work in pre season and then admitted by Christmas they had still under estimated it.

It takes time for players to adjust and move through the fitness levels and that is without injury set backs.

Torp is another example as well, because he hasn't consistently reached the level yet.
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Torp and Rapha aren’t comparable. Torp has managed to hold down a place got spells. Rapha can’t even get on the bench ahead of academy kids. And he was on the bench, it’s not that he’s on some journey to reach first team fitness. He got there and was found lacking.
 
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Hobo

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shmmeee said:
Torp and Rapha aren’t comparable. Torp has managed to hold down a place got spells. Rapha can’t even get on the bench ahead of academy kids. And he was on the bench, it’s not that he’s on some journey to reach first team fitness. He got there and was found lacking.
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But Torp was far more established as a player and already playing at a higher level than Rapha when he arrived. They are comparable as it is all relative.

I would suggest Torp has been inconsistent and struggled to perform for 90 mins and be consistent in back to back games. Torp was signed as a first teamer, Rapha wasn't. Too many fans read too much into a Robins pre season comment on Raph, "He looks like he has ability."

People were drafting him into their starting 11. I said at the time we will be lucky to see him coming off the bench by the end of the season
 
JimmyHillsbeard

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Hobo said:
Most of the online rumours are just click bait by desperate journalists. When they happen they happen. Rumour and speculation doesn't hurry things along.
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Most of the “journalists” seem to be cosplaying students who once got a story placed in a regional paper and have been told they can mention the same paper in their byline if they keep sending traffic to the website.
 
Hobo

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JimmyHillsbeard said:
Most of the “journalists” seem to be cosplaying students who once got a story placed in a regional paper and have been told they can mention the same paper in their byline if they keep sending traffic to the website.
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Thant is why I don't even bother reading any of these rumour articles. They contradict each other from one day to the next anyway.
 
Briles

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shmmeee said:
Torp and Rapha aren’t comparable. Torp has managed to hold down a place got spells. Rapha can’t even get on the bench ahead of academy kids. And he was on the bench, it’s not that he’s on some journey to reach first team fitness. He got there and was found lacking.
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clearly anyone scouted and brought in has ability. From comments Lampard has made previously it comes across as an attitude problem.
 
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The club are being very quiet and will let others take the headlines. All the targets would of been discussed and the ones FL wants Doug will be trying to get them over the line.

I said it last season Doug doesn't see value in big announcements or running his business in public. It can be frustrating for fans, but i really do think Doug is really putting an emphasis on all in house and nothing says until deals are done and even then he doesn't seem bothered about announcing it
 
ccfc1234

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shmmeee said:
I think he was a cheap gamble that hasn’t worked out. It happens.
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What's strange is that Lampard gave him such positivity in the press? I would hope Austin etc are figuring out what went wrong with their assessment of his ability.
Either way if he is not a starter in Lampards view and has an attitude that stinks the place out, we are better off cutting our losses and sending him on a season long loan or moving him on for a loss, permanently.
 
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Mr Panda said:
When was it alluded that there’s an attitude problem with Raphael? All I can find is articles about how he’s a real project.
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It was an article about Tats and how fabulous he was and within those comments Lampard referenced how other young wingers should follow his example rather than knock on his door expecting minutes.
 
Hobo

Hobo

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I think people are reading too much into snippets about Rapha and over elaborating their own opinion on the lad. I have seen nothing to suggest 'his attitude stinks the place out.'

Both managers have said he has ability but is a project. He has had to adjust to the levels here and has been hampered by injury setbacks.

Lampard has said I know what it takes at this level. He is training well and is now getting some minutes in the under 21's, he is doing well and hopefully it will kick him on. He alludes to having to make him more robust and getting somethings right around his training.

For me it's about not stretching him too soon and causing another setback. I think Frank may have had to deal with some of his frustrations about not getting first team minutes? But to me that is a good thing. I think Frank has been saying he has good qualities and is now going in the right direction fitness wise. He has used Tats as an example of just get your head down and keep working, and keep believing, as he has comeback from a bad injury.

I think it is more about managing the lads expectation rather than managing a bad attitude. Training the right way is about balance because too much is as bad as too little. It's been a big move for him in both opportunity and upheaval. He is young. He has had a frustrating first season.

He has started playing matches again. Hopefully a good pre season of training will put him better placed to develop his career. next season. Frank will know what is best for him. Stay under our control and guidance or go out on loan.

I think he will stay with us first half of the season and then maybe a loan second half if he stays injury free, but needs more minutes than he is getting.
 
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