HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I hope they do - but let’s be realistic
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Lamps
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I'm not so sure. They will have to get rid of several players because not only can they not afford the wage bill but they are in enough trouble for breaking financial rules without trying to do it yet again this season. Vardy is now also gone so will need replacing.
Gynnsthetonic
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Depends who they have to offload and what players they get in. Their chairman seems too interested in playing Polo than anything else
Gleneagles65
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Season ticket holder at Leicester?
bigfatronssba
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Sheffield Utd's cheating had no impact on their final place this year so what's the point in playing by the rules?
Frostie
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It's not an unreasonable point given the gulf between the parachute payment clubs & the rest.
Sheffield United would have needed to have 25 points deducted to miss out on the top 6.
Lamps
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Sheffield United are a top Championship side especially with Hamer. Leicester are in a right mess and that's without the punishment they are about to receive.
If Sheffield United lose Hamer they won't be as strong. Leicester will be losing several 1st team players. Their wage bill was too high last season even with being in the Prem.
Flying Fokker
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So, here we are.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Not at all - I’m a realist. Leicester won the league quite comfortably 2 years ago, will they lose players? Yeah - but the gulf between leagues is as big as ever.
not quite sure there will be many prem takers of their high waged players so they’ll start the season with the squad in tact. Even with a deduction that - let’s face it will be halved on appeal.
do I think we can beat them? Yes I do - I just accept they’ll be one of the strongest sides in the division
Sick Boy
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They'l be one of the stronger sides but nothing like last time.
alexccfc99
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Don't think the two situations are remotely comparable
Their team is weaker compared to then (To the point at times last season they were in my opinion fielding a worse starting 11 than the one that got them promoted)
Other than their goalkeeper they have no real saleable assets as opposed to the other year when they flogged Maddison, Barnes and Castagne for over £90m combined
And they had a manager who as dull as his football is has just won a European trophy and is managing one of Europe's top clubs - As opposed to now where their supposed no. 1 managerial target has just knocked them back to go to Rangers
Even with a deduction I think they should have more than enough to not end up going down again but I really can't see them up the top either - I think they have a long and pretty uninspiring few years ahead whilst they get their house in order
Frostie
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Remains to be seen. Most people said similar about Sheffield United last season & Burnley the season before, both were long odds to win the league (and both netted me some nice money
)The point is, unless the points deduction is absolutely huge (which it won't be) what's to stop them just ignoring the mess they're in & just keep chucking money at it (it's what they've consistently done before) knowing they can overcome any measly points deduction.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Remains to be seen. Most people said similar about Sheffield United last season & Burnley the season before, both were long odds to win the league (and both netted me some nice money
The point is, unless the points deduction is absolutely huge (which it won't be) what's to stop them just ignoring the mess they're in & just keep chucking money at it (it's what they've consistently done before) knowing they can overcome any measly points deduction.
I do think this time in the Championship will be very different for Leicester.
Their squad as it stands (yes we can only make a true assessment once the window is over) is significantly worse than when they were last in the Championship. They need to get their recruitment right otherwise I can't really see them getting top 6 with their current squad - especially when sales look likely.
The fact that they have no manager yet is also less than ideal in this regard.
Leicester spent heavily last time they were in the Championship but much of that was probably facilitated by the fact that transfer instalments owed on previous transfers would've been mitigated by Leicester having spent less than £50m the season they were relegated from the PL and sold Fofana for £70m, and that they accrued £100m+ in transfer fees the following summer while getting rid of some huge earners. Then there's also their parachute payments on top to complement that.
I've mentioned in this thread before they're not going to receive anywhere near that on incoming fees as realistically the vast majority of players are crap. Then there's the added complication of the instalments still owed on transfers they made last season - having spent around £80m - as well as yet another bank loan they've taken out to cover signings in January which seems to have been secured against future PL or parachute payments.
The wage bill is still going to remain huge despite some players inevitably having reductions inserted into their contracts which means their owner is seriously going to have to cough up to cover the operating losses this season, which on the face of it are going to be massive. Not ideal when King Power as a business is having serious issues itself and losing a sizeable amount of money while also being penalised for late payments.
Captain Dart
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What's the point of a points deduction if it is no great penalty? There should be no way they should be capable of competing in the league next season, they should be fighting to stave of relegation.
robbiethemole
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stop their parachute payments mayb??
Captain Dart
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Not possible, that is a contractual matter.
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robbiethemole
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Lamps
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But nobody knows.
Will they have a large points deduction? Will they have a transfer embargo?
I read somewhere recently that their average present wage is 90k a week. Even with the Prem money last season they were spending £1.20 per every £1 coming in on wages alone. They knew that if they didn't stay up they would be in big trouble so took the gamble. Now they need to get rid of several players to reduce the wage bill. But does anyone want to take over players on silly money? But they do have a few highly rated youngsters said to be of interest to some big clubs.
It's said that RVN is still in place because of how much it would cost them to get rid of him.
Personally I think they have as much chance of being involved in the promotion chase as the relegation battle. It's impossible to say how they will do when their rebuild isn't known as well as their punishment for constantly cheating the system. But I would guess just in the top half presently.
Lamps
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Sheffield United last season? You mean the Championship side Sheffield United?Remains to be seen. Most people said similar about Sheffield United last season & Burnley the season before, both were long odds to win the league (and both netted me some nice money
The point is, unless the points deduction is absolutely huge (which it won't be) what's to stop them just ignoring the mess they're in & just keep chucking money at it (it's what they've consistently done before) knowing they can overcome any measly points deduction.
They won't be able to keep throwing money at it. Seems like the end of the road finally. Loopholes have been closed. The Prem and Championship seem to have joined together over the matter.
You may be right. But there isn't exactly much good news for them presently.
Frostie
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Yes, Sheffield United. They were 12/1 to get promoted, lumped on that each way (pays out for a top 4 finish) for a very tidy payout. As mentioned before, they finished in the top 6 by 24 points despite a points deduction.
If the points deduction is small, why won't Leicester be able to keep throwing money at it? It's what they have done up until now in full knowledge that they were breaking the rules by doing so.
Listen, I hope you are right, I'm just being pessimistic as it's Leicester & they have continually flouted the rules for years.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Based on previous punishments I doubt it will be massively severe. Sheffield United got a measly 2 points last season.
if it’s 5-10 points, they’ll make that up comfortably.
Lamps
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12/1 to get promoted? Take it you meant to finish top. You'd have got 1/5 of the odds for coming in the top 4. £100 EW would have cost £200 and you would have got £340 back givinga profit of £140. A good bet to take
When they were in the Championship they claimed that they were under Prem rules. When in the Prem they delayed publishing their numbers saying it should be under the jurisdiction of the Championship. The Prem have closed all the loopholes they know of.
We can only guess what will happen next. As I said earlier they have a few very promising young players who are 15 and 16 that big clubs around the world are interested in. That could be their way out of all of this if they are sold for enough. It could put their last 3 years into positive territory. They would still be liable for the previous years and as long as they don't get a big points deduction and transfer embargo they could do well.
But with how things stand I prefer to be in our position than theirs. We will know more in August then finally when this debacle is sorted.
Lamps
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Leicester have taken the p1ss for years. We can only guess what will happen.
For starters they need a good striker. The years of Vardy are over. At least he earned enough to pay for his wife's legal bills
But their present wage bill is astronomical for the Championship. Not good when you're already on charges of overspending. I'm not saying they will do well or badly. They're the same as us in one way. Let's wait until August to see where they stand. We're joint 5th favourites with Middlesbrough at 12/1. They're 7th favourites at 14/1. Very poor for a Prem relegated club. I agree this is guesswork but there's not a lot of confidence out there for them.
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Out of the 3 relegated clubs Ipswich favourites at 9/2. Southampton 2nd favourites 6/1. Leicester 7th favourites @ 14/1.
Frostie
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Yeah, but they wouldn't have known that loophole argument would be successful, they've played fast & loose for years.12/1 to get promoted? Take it you meant to finish top. You'd have got 1/5 of the odds for coming in the top 4. £100 EW would have cost £200 and you would have got £340 back givinga profit of £140. A good bet to take
When they were in the Championship they claimed that they were under Prem rules. When in the Prem they delayed publishing their numbers saying it should be under the jurisdiction of the Championship. The Prem have closed all the loopholes they know of.
We can only guess what will happen next. As I said earlier they have a few very promising young players who are 15 and 16 that big clubs around the world are interested in. That could be their way out of all of this if they are sold for enough. It could put their last 3 years into positive territory. They would still be liable for the previous years and as long as they don't get a big points deduction and transfer embargo they could do well.
But with how things stand I prefer to be in our position than theirs. We will know more in August then finally when this debacle is sorted.
Hopefully they get the enormous points deduction that their rampant cheating deserves but I wouldn't hold my breath.
And sorry yes, re: Sheffield United, 12/1 to win the league but 1/4 e/w odds for a Top 4 finish.
Unlike most on here, I was willing them to win the league
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Leicester's recruitment has been genuinely shocking in recent years.
You're claiming they'll just throw money at it again which might be true, entirely different argument altogether whether it'll be effective though.
Frostie
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Oh they're abysmally run & their recruitment is horrific, no arguments there. That's why they just cheat by chucking money at it.
I'm not saying they WILL do that again but if the points deduction isn't significant, why wouldn't they?
Lamps
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Let's forget about the effective bit for now.
If you were under serious charges of overspending would you overspend yet again before the decision is made on the present charges and make the consequences even worse?
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Because I just don't particularly see Leicester's squad as an automatic challenging side as it stands.
It's massively disjointed in terms of lacking quality in key areas and there isn't anywhere near enough goals in the side with exception to perhaps Mavididi who did OK last time in the Championship.
If they stand to lose further players and recruitment falls short they could quite plausibly struggle to make the play-offs.
Their financial situation is also seriously precarious, as I've already outlined in a previous post, and while I could be wrong I physically don't see how they can feasibly throw money at revitalising their squad this summer with the amount they're poised to lose.
Lamps
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I agree to a point.
But will they know their punishment before finalising their squad for next season? Most probably not.
You never know. Maybe they have another loophole where they think they can take the p1ss again. Maybe they have worked out they can overspend, get their punishment, then appeal and get into the Prem again before it's sorted.
OMG just had a thought. They overspent by spending £1.20 per every £1 on wages last season. If they claim disability for having 12 fingers to count on that's the extra 20% counted for.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Yeah - you would. The benefits from cheating a season in the prem outweighs the punishment.
in an ideal world they’ll be banned from promotion and the riches. But football don't work like that. They’ll be punished enough to remain competitive and avoid the legal battles that the EFL have no appetite for
Lamps
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It isn't just the EFL that's after them. They have the backing of the Prem and their money behind them. Will be very difficult to get away with it again.
They have a choice. Take it on the chin this time or risk punishment that would turn them into an average Championship side at best.
Their financial backing doesn't seem to be the best. It's been said that their wage bill in the Prem last season was much lower than their last season in the Championship which was by far the record amount spent on a Championship side.