Ricoh Rent (8 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

So the few Doncaster fans who could be arsed to vote in a poll said they wanted him? How many was that? And why does that make it possible for Doncaster to "realistically steal Coventry City's manager"?

And Paul Ince was favourite to be our manager if you remember.

It's bollocks. And you know it. Nothing to do with the rent. Robins himself says he's happy and it will get sorted, so I can't see any reason for your obsession that Robins was off, when plainly there wasn't even a 1% chance he would go.

This conversation really isn't working.

It doesn't make it realistic, he is going nowhere.
Not to a bloody smaller club anyway.

They the fans and the bookies perceive it to be realistic.

As the national media portray us as skint and on the verge of collapse.

 

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[dongonzalos]

Does it really matter? I don't give 2 shits what other people think of our club.

Yes he will keep getting linked to every man and his dog. Whilst we look nationally as a bit of a joke.

Sort out the rent we look more stable we look like a sleeping giant. We look like a club players will come to.
Not look around then choose Swindon.

We need to give the media the perception we are very stable.

It will be better commercially for all deals, players and attendances.

Also then our manager will only be linked with teams bigger than us and not Doncaster

 

[torchomatic]

Well, if bookies and the media listen to fans on message boards as much as you say they do then maybe you should stop labeling your own team as a joke. Every little helps.

Yes he will keep getting linked to every man and his dog. Whilst we look nationally as a bit of a joke.

Sort out the rent we look more stable we look like a sleeping giant. We look like a club players will come to.
Not look around then choose Swindon.

We need to give the media the perception we are very stable.

It will be better commercially for all deals, players and attendances.

Also then our manager will only be linked with teams bigger than us and not Doncaster

 

[stupot07]

Yes he will keep getting linked to every man and his dog. Whilst we look nationally as a bit of a joke.

Sort out the rent we look more stable we look like a sleeping giant. We look like a club players will come to.
Not look around then choose Swindon.

We need to give the media the perception we are very stable.

It will be better commercially for all deals, players and attendances.

Also then our manager will only be linked with teams bigger than us and not Doncaster

Robins has performed wonders while he has been here he will get linked with every managerial vacancy for clubs above us including Doncaster. Paying the rent won't stop that happening.

 

[Grendel]

In other words you knew it was not realistic like with Bristol.

Yet both their fans and the bookies think it is very realistic, why?

Because they incorrectly think we are a skint club on the verge of collapse.

Bets were suspended on chris wilder - was that because Oxford were on the brink of collapse?

 

[Grendel]

This conversation really isn't working.

It doesn't make it realistic, he is going nowhere.
Not to a bloody smaller club anyway.

They the fans and the bookies perceive it to be realistic.

As the national media portray us as skint and on the verge of collapse.

Do you know how bookies operate?

Regarding fans expectation that is always unrealistic. Some though we could attract mick McCarthy and others said he wasn't good enough.

 

[TommyZoom]

Another thread gone pretty much completely off topic.

Anyway...I hope you're right with the original post. It's dragged on for so long that people appear to be not even that concerned about the rent situation.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He was top of their fans poll. Their fans believed they could realistically steal Coventry City's manager.

So did all the bookies so no it was not one punter.

I didn't as I know the truth.

However in the national media we are a skint club on the verge of eviction.

When this rent is sorted clubs smaller than us will not think they have a chance of getting our man.

They looked at the league table when thinking they could nick 'Rockin' Robins'', they looked at mid table CCFC, and then looked at joint top Donny...

You're getting detracted from the point... If he was doing shit, he wouldn't be linked with anyone.

 

[Snozz_is_god]

This conversation really isn't working.

It doesn't make it realistic, he is going nowhere.
Not to a bloody smaller club anyway.

They the fans and the bookies perceive it to be realistic.

As the national media portray us as skint and on the verge of collapse.

I'd give up if I was you donga, you have the sbt mafia after you.

I understand perfectly where you are coming from................

 

[dongonzalos]

I'd give up if I was you donga, you have the sbt mafia after you.

I understand perfectly where you are coming from................

I know. It's not really that hard a concept is it really?

Possibly tells you all you need to know though really

 

[dongonzalos]

Do you know how bookies operate?

Yes they don't close the betting on a manager that they, don't believe is a realistic option. If they didn't think it was plausible they would be snatching the money out if your hands

Regarding fans expectation that is always unrealistic. Some though we could attract mick McCarthy and others said he wasn't good enough.

People base that expectation on the history if our club and its sleeping giant status- be it right or wrong.

Doncaster fans expectation is partly as SBT says because they are above us in the league.
However they also wrongly think we are financially screwed and in the verge if eviction or winding up.

Hence In their eyes and the bookies this would have been a contributory factor to their logic that they believed nicking our manager. When he is loving it here at a bigger club and things are going week and promotion is a very realistic option.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

People base that expectation on the history if our club and its sleeping giant status- be it right or wrong.

Doncaster fans expectation is partly as SBT says because they are above us in the league.
However they also wrongly think we are financially screwed and in the verge if eviction or winding up.

Hence In their eyes and the bookies this would have been a contributory factor to their logic that they believed nicking our manager. When he is loving it here at a bigger club and things are going week and promotion is a very realistic option.

You're reading too much into it, the primary reason is that they are doing better than us and MR has turned us around, so they see him as a realistic target, because they are 10 places above u.

They got told by MR anyway.

 

[dongonzalos]

Do you know how bookies operate?

Yes unless they think something is a realistic option they won't close the betting on it. They will practically bite your hands off.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yes unless they think something is a realistic option they won't close the betting in it. They will practically bite your hands off.

Mourinho was in the betting to be Cov manager! :facepalm:

 

[dongonzalos]

Mourinho was in the betting to be Cov manager! :facepalm:

The fact you have even just posted this
Highlights your complete lack of understanding at what I am saying.
To then put a hand slap makes it even funnier

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The fact you have even just posted this
Highlights your complete lack of understanding at what I am saying.
To then put a hand slap makes it even funnier

In what way? I was just pointing out that at one time, he was even on the list to be CCFC manager, I put a :facepalm: at the bookies, and the punters who actually bet on him.

 

[dongonzalos]

You're reading too much into it, the primary reason is that they are doing better than us and MR has turned us around, so they see him as a realistic target, because they are 10 places above u.

They got told by MR anyway.

I know he is going nowhere.

That is not my point FFS.

Feels like I am trying to teach a load of nursery kids Quantum Physics.

This conversation really should not be that hard.

We don't pay our rent = When the national media speak about coventry they focus on a club that can't afford it's rent and maybe wound up or be made homeless (not true) evidenced by the Guardian and the daily mail and Sky Sports. =
The fans of clubs who would not normally think they could poach our players or manager. Wrongly perceive that we are in the shit and its makes it a more realistic idea to them. = they bet on it as they believe it = odds shorten. Bookies also believe it maybe be possible due to a variety of reasons including the perception we are a financially unstable club.

 

[wingy]

I know he is going nowhere.

That is not my point FFS.

Feels like I am trying to teach a load of nursery kids Quantum Physics.

This conversation really should not be that hard.

We don't pay our rent = When the national media speak about coventry they focus on a club that can't afford it's rent and maybe wound up or be made homeless (not true) evidenced by the Guardian and the daily mail and Sky Sports. =
The fans of clubs who would not normally think they could poach our players or manager. Wrongly perceive that we are in the shit and its makes it a more realistic idea to them. = they bet on it as they believe it = odds shorten. Bookies also believe it maybe be possible due to a variety of reasons including the perception we are a financially unstable club.

Or gaining an advantage Portsmouth style ,wrong but percieved none the less.

 

[oldskyblue58]

I find it interesting that someone comes up with a rumour that the deal is done and people immediately assume that ACL have caved in to SISU's demands

The only reason as far as I can see that a deal may be in the offing is if something significant has changed for ACL. SISU's position I feel will not have changed.

Now it might be that ACL have reached a crisis point and had to cave in accept what SISU says,which appears to be less than £200k for everything (not just the rent). I would guess this is too little for ACL. It would still leave ACL in crisis. I can hear the "so what I only care about the club", thats your opinion but the Ricoh is much more than a football team. So ask would the directors of ACL breach their duties and agree to something they can not afford ? It also points to what is going on as far as SISU are concerned.

Or perhaps there might be something significant that is going on for ACL that secures their position financially. In which case, given the additional income that CCFC have received from cup runs etc, ACL might be in a position where they say enough is enough. They might be in a position where they draw a line say the last offer is all that is on offer take it or leave it. If SISU then choose to leave it then they place the club at risk - it is a mute point as to who really puts the club in a winding up position, I know how it will be spun but think about it.

Do not assume that there is only one outcome in that SISU wins the battle ...... things are rarely that clear and straight forward

Personally I think the last cards are being played but no deal has been struck yet. Any deal that is I seriously doubt will be lower than the one that ACL have put on the table. Guess we wait and see but the solution to this happens because something changes at ACL. As I and others here have said on this and other matters be careful what you wish for

 

[SkyBlueCharlie]

Hopefully your contact is 'on the money', but it wouldn't surprise me, I should've been 'done and dusted' beforehand..

Joining in this a little late on but I have a feather duster (loaded with a 4lb lump hammer) and will volunteer.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

MR has stated he doesnt want to leave so this is (hopefully) somewhat academic...but

Of course the state and market perception of an business/employer effects whether a successful employee may leave or be poached.
a) MR might want to leave to a better salary and stable club with investment funds
b) Clubs will see an opportunity to tempt him away because of this
c) Clubs may think CCFC will let him break his contract for a nice severance fee, because CCFC need the money.

Its bleedin' obvious, but the 3 unwise monkeys still wont get it:facepalm:

 

[Grendel]

MR has stated he doesnt want to leave so this is (hopefully) somewhat academic...but

Of course the state and market perception of an business/employer effects whether a successful employee may leave or be poached.
a) MR might want to leave to a better salary and stable club with investment funds
b) Clubs will see an opportunity to tempt him away because of this
c) Clubs may think CCFC will let him break his contract for a nice severance fee, because CCFC need the money.

Its bleedin' obvious, but the 3 unwise monkeys still wont get it:facepalm:

Is this your attempt to cheer us up after a defeat -- by posting mind numbing rubbish?

It hasn't worked.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Is this your attempt to cheer us up after a defeat -- by posting mind numbing rubbish?

It hasn't worked.

Nothing is gonna work with someone as thick as you mate. You really havent a clue about business. Whereas I have an MBA (distinction)-- hate to appear immodest but ....imp:

 

[dongonzalos]

MR has stated he doesnt want to leave so this is (hopefully) somewhat academic...but

Of course the state and market perception of an business/employer effects whether a successful employee may leave or be poached.
a) MR might want to leave to a better salary and stable club with investment funds
b) Clubs will see an opportunity to tempt him away because of this
c) Clubs may think CCFC will let him break his contract for a nice severance fee, because CCFC need the money.

Its bleedin' obvious, but the 3 unwise monkeys still wont get it:facepalm:

GPE welcome to an adult conversation, thank you for freeing me from the crèche

 

[Grendel]

Nothing is gonna work with someone as thick as you mate. You really havent a clue about business. Whereas I have an MBA (distinction)-- hate to appear immodest but ....imp:

Really where from? Did you have to send a sae?

 

[Grendel]

GPE welcome to an adult conversation, thank you for freeing me from the crèche

Yes you pair of "adults" can continue to have meaningful chat about this subject which is complete fantisised tosh as ever.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

GPE welcome to an adult conversation, thank you for freeing me from the crèche

No problem mate, but in the end it really is just bleedin' obvious....

The 3 unwise monkeys do need to 'unchain' themselves- they are becoming a bit of a joke, especially with the likey likey thing oooof.

 

[dongonzalos]

I know sometimes you do wonder if the obvious is ignored because it does not suit their argument.

I particularly liked the 'do you know how bookies work line'.

And the ' Mourinho was on the bookies lists to become cov manager'

Both made me chuckle some what

 

[torchomatic]

And no doubt a big cock and the ability to drink anyone under the table.

And before you say anything, no I wasn't looking at your bird.

Whereas I have an MBA (distinction)-- hate to appear immodest but ....imp:

 

[torchomatic]

I like the 'some fans on a forum wanted him so it's bound to be true' line.

I particularly liked the 'do you know how bookies work line'.

 

[dongonzalos]

I like the 'some fans on a forum wanted him so it's bound to be true' line.

I particularly the Torch still not understanding the point of the comments and making up lines that are not actually posted anywhere.

But hey ho it sounds better

 

[Grendel]

I particularly the Torch still not understanding the point of the comments and making up lines that are not actually posted anywhere.

But hey ho it sounds better

The point you are attempting to make is that the reason mark robins was being considered for manager of Doncaster had something to do with us being in financial difficulties.

The bookmaker comment which you found amusing is relevant as it blows your argument. When some fans in here and in the media talked about wilder being our manager some had money on him. He became bookies favourite and bets were suspended. This had zero to do with wilder ever being remotely considered.

Perhaps people look at what the likes if you say regarding unstable owners then think mark robins may want to leave and so he gets named as on the running. He never was and so your puerile argument falls flat.

I am sure your new friend who as an MBA in business may even be able to join the dots on that one.

 

[dongonzalos]

The point you are attempting to make is that the reason mark robins was being considered for manager of Doncaster had something to do with us being in financial difficulties.

The bookmaker comment which you found amusing is relevant as it blows your argument. When some fans in here and in the media talked about wilder being our manager some had money on him. He became bookies favourite and bets were suspended. This had zero to do with wilder ever being remotely considered.


(By the fans and bookies, I have repeated myself about 5 times that he is not going anywhere. One of the reasons the fans and bookies believe it is plausible is because in the national media we are portrayed a a club in financial meltdown, purely due to the rent debacle)

(It really isn't that complicated.
I don't think MR is going to Doncaster and have never said that.

I think their fans think they had a chance because of a combination of their league position and their believe that we are either going to be evicted or closed down, because we can't afford our rent.
Both of which I don't think will happen. However that is how it is reported in the national press.

It doesn't take a genius to work out the correlation a manager does well. The club he is at are in a financial mess. We have a better chance of poaching him, even though in many ways we are a smaller club (fans)

It really is quite straight forward to understand.

Replies such as

Mourinho was on our list
Do you know how bookies work
Because of our Rent MR is not going to Doncaster
You believe because the Doncaster fans believe it then MR is off

Show a complete lacking of basic understanding of the point and yes I probably would prefer to talk to Snoz or Mr MBA
as they seemed to have the ability to read information understand analyse it and reply with a sound and rationale point of view

 

[dongonzalos]

By the way I still find the bookmaker comment amusing as it shows you still don't really understand.

 

[Grendel]

Ok explain them why some supporters on here thought McCarthy may come here and some said they wouldn't touch him when he was ALWAYS too big for us?

Answer is fans are always believing their club is the best. You know why Doncaster fans thought they could get him? Probably because he has a northern accent and they are higher in the league. The only way they are likely to see how skint we are is by looking at negative observations from people like you.