I have made my views clear. You believe I should have more reliable data than the FA, and unless I am certain I should accept their data, even though I know they make little attempt to keep accurate records. The FA use an app called, 'Just Play' and anyone can search for football events and rock up and play. Yet they confidently assert there are '30' individuals affected by their new policy.
It’s just you seem well booked up on the matter. Yet trans men seem to have been overlooked by those whooping and cheering this ruling. If somebody presents as male but was born female and wants to use a women’s loo or changing room, how is that to be enforced?
I believe that if you’re going to dismiss one set of data when making your argument, then you should be able to say why that’s the case and offer alternative data that you believe to be more accurate. You’ve done neither.
Even if born a woman?My gaff, my rules: if you've got a cock play mens football
That’s not strictly true is it? My argument was that a ruling that involves the playing status of <30 players isn’t quite the seismic and existential moment for women’s football that you and others claim it is. You clearly disagree, to the extent you bumped this thread after several weeks to suggest that I’m not only wrong but also a misogynist for saying so. That’s your prerogative, I’d just appreciate it if you had an argument beyond “it’s impossible to know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ “ to back it up.
I doubt that the figure is as low as that. We have some very good friends who are parents to a trans-woman. She plays football for her University's women's team, and i understand she is not the only trans-woman in the side. I assume it is a generational thing (i hesitate to use the term "fad"), but doubtless some will have been "influenced" by their peers and the online world, meaning that universities are likely to be something of a breeding ground (if you'll pardon the ironic pun) for trans people. I don't know if there are any data available on the percentage of people who identify as trans in students as compared to the general population, but if the number of courses i am required to do on the subject by my employer is anything to go by, i would say it is higher among students.
The issue is men abusing the rules to play in a competition they are biologically too strong for. I don't think the other way has proved to be an issue or know of any occurrences, but to be clear, the gender you'd be in the graveyard.
Has the ‘other way’ been proved to be an issue in women’s football? I assume there are thousands of examples?
This is the crux isn’t it. Assuming that nobody’s really transgender, they just say they are to win trophies in Sunday League.
It's been shown many times that an average men's team will beat a women's team. Only a few years ago an elite women's team lost to an average youth side. Of course the game is newer, less of a pool and less development / money etc, but there is no reason that a coached women's team can't be as technically good as men, but sheer physicality and strength will prevail. It's a reason that even between men we have weight categories in boxing. Quite simply an average non-league player at conference level would rip it up at elite women's level. Not only is that unfair and dangerous, but he's also taking the opportunity away from a woman.
Well let's not debate then.
Give me a break. You said that sharing your view on this was a prerequisite for believing in equal opportunities for women. As I’ve said multiple times, it’s your prerogative to be as angry as you like about this, but at least own it when you try to suggest it’s your way or the highway.
So you are calling me a misogynist then?
Nice attempt at the hit and run, in that case then. Good to see you back.
It’s an interesting discussion, I don’t have a dog in the fight per se. Sorry?
Is he in court again?, He'll get sent down one of these days Imo!I'd assumed lack of footballing ability, but you were thinking of chucking a frock on for your Chelsea ladies trial
Equal pay is about receiving the same amount for playing for the national team, not club wages, where each individual contract is negotiated independently.
Is it the same for women's keeping as men's? Male GK peak at around 32 and often play high level until late 30's but not sure if it's the same or not. As our resident expert, perhaps @oakey might know best?
Clearly not the "team player for the greater good" that everyone had her down as!
Good idea!
