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OffenhamSkyBlue

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Major Tom said:
I posted on a thread last season after the Ipswich game that Moore would be a great signing for us. Mature player, hold up play is good and can get stuck in.
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Sorry, are we talking about Kieffer Moore here? The one everyone said was a donkey the other day after he won that pen and red card against Bristol City?? The main strike centre-forward who has scored FIVE goals (yep, count 'em) in 27 appearances this season??? Haji Wright scored 12 in his 27 games.
 
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sj007

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Haji hasn't downed tools, he's just not a world beater. He's a good Championship level striker, no more, no less.

Simms is a different player but of a similar standing. However expectations of goal returns are what's off here.

There are parallels of how we play to how Chelsea played in the Lampard era. Chelsea then we're not built for Torres or Shevchenko, hence both failed. Their forward, Drogba, was used as a weapon to create space and opportunities for Lampard and their wide players. Therefore, if the team is winning and were scoring, Simms is probably doing his job.

In the last few months, I don't recall Simms missing a ton of chances so I don't have an issue with his goal record whilst the team has been scoring.
 
Boicey

Boicey

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sj007 said:
Haji hasn't downed tools, he's just not a world beater. He's a good Championship level striker, no more, no less.

Simms is a different player but of a similar standing. However expectations of goal returns are what's off here.

There are parallels of how we play to how Chelsea played in the Lampard era. Chelsea then we're not built for Torres or Shevchenko, hence both failed. Their forward, Drogba, was used as a weapon to create space and opportunities for Lampard and their wide players. Therefore, if the team is winning and were scoring, Simms is probably doing his job.

In the last few months, I don't recall Simms missing a ton of chances so I don't have an issue with his goal record whilst the team has been scoring.
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Simms is weak in the air, doesn't attack space in the box, can't shoot well, has poor control, can't hold up the ball and lay it off.
If all he has on his wages is 'occupying defenders' it isn't anywhere near enough!
 
Boicey

Boicey

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As to Haji. He's a big bloke which has a cost in athleticism and engine, so he gets knackered quickly. Sadly he doesnt use the positives of being a 'big bloke', weak in the air, easy to push off the ball, can't hold up and lay off a ball.
He seems quite introverted and inwardly negative which drops his head, probably not helped by being knackered.
All in all I don't think he brings enough to the team for his wages. We can do better.
An aggressive energetic striker as an outlet would make a huge difference to us.
 
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AOM

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I'm still a fan of Simms, but I can appreciate why he frustrates.
Don't think it's for a lack of effort on his part, but he's such a big confidence player and his head drops easily.
Think Lampard will probably try and offload him.

Wright is the superior player, but his head seems to be looking elsewhere from his performances in the last month or so. Shame
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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Snaily said:
His shins are lethal in front of goal
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I rewatched the semi highlights last week and had forgotten what a complete shin his goal was! Almost identical to his effort against Boro in the last game at home, except that time it went the wrong side of the post!

The other goals against Man U were O-Hare's MASSIVE deflection which Onana could do nothing about and the rather dubious penalty for handball. On reflection, all three of our allowed goals were so lucky, i think the bad luck of the dodgy VAR decision can't be viewed too badly!
 
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sj007

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I'm not understanding the desperation of some to offload these two. Both scored nearly 20 goals each last season. They're good players at this level but need to be managed and deployed well.

Wright is effective on counters or with space to run into. We didnt/couldn't play like that in the last two games. Torp was a big miss yesterday. He made Wright's goals against Sunderland previously. Eccles had similar intent when he came on. Sheaf didn't offer enough creatively.

Simms could have been effective on Friday but we will never know. He's clearly a good player having scored plenty of goals at this level but over the last few months, his role has been more to create space and bring others into play. Again, different role to when we were playing 3-5-2 and then he was scoring goals.
 
SHUNT31

SHUNT31

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Boicey said:
Simms is weak in the air, doesn't attack space in the box, can't shoot well, has poor control, can't hold up the ball and lay it off.
If all he has on his wages is 'occupying defenders' it isn't anywhere near enough!
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I’ve had this discussion multiple times, but the occupying defenders thing, while true, is the absolute minimum you’d expect from a striker.

BTA ‘occupied’ the defenders for Rudoni’s header in the first leg for instance. If you’re in the box, defenders will mark you.
 
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SHUNT31

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sj007 said:
I'm not understanding the desperation of some to offload these two. Both scored nearly 20 goals each last season. They're good players at this level but need to be managed and deployed well.

Wright is effective on counters or with space to run into. We didnt/couldn't play like that in the last two games. Torp was a big miss yesterday. He made Wright's goals against Sunderland previously. Eccles had similar intent when he came on. Sheaf didn't offer enough creatively.

Simms could have been effective on Friday but we will never know. He's clearly a good player having scored plenty of goals at this level but over the last few months, his role has been more to create space and bring others into play. Again, different role to when we were playing 3-5-2 and then he was scoring goals.
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Why is Simms clearly a good player? What do you think he is good at?

1 in 4 for at this level is not a good return on a striker that cost a significant amount of money. He doesn’t bring people into play either as his hold up play is woeful.
 
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alexccfc99

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Now I’ve calmed, I am willing to give Wright the benefit of the doubt I think, I don’t believe he has properly recovered from his freak injury back in November personally

Before that he was looking like one of the best players in the division, you don’t just lose that overnight for no reason

The writing looks like it’s on the wall already for Simms mind you, 210 minutes of two legged football and he has not been able to get a single minute on the pitch

BTA is limited, but in all honesty I’d be happy to keep him as a squad player
 
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sj007

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He's clearly a good player because he's scored a ton of goals last season and had good records at other clubs.

This season has been very stop-start for him. First couple of months he was in and out as Haji, BTA, Bassette all competing. I think he had a couple of good games, particularly against Luton at home, then I think he was injured and didn't play again under Robins. Under Lampard, he's scored goals in 3-5-2 but not so much in a 4-3-3.

As for what he's good at, I do think he wins headers and brings others into play. His touch isn't great, he's not aggressive enough and he's a confidence player, which all do hold him back. Maybe his strengths are more his natural assets rather than skill but that's fine.

At this level, he's a good striker if you can either play to his strengths or have a team that compliments him. He's not a world beater. He's definitely got limitations but at our level, that's standard. The point is, he's shown he can score goals in the Championship.
 
SkyblueTexan

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mrfr said:
I’d keep Simms I think, but I’ve lost my patience with Wright and I think some club in buttfuck nowhere USA will undoubtedly spend decent money for him to trot out for the Salt Lake City Chihuahuas or whatever.
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Actually now might the best time to sell him to an American team just before the World Cup. I hope we can put together a video montage of Wright’s best moments and circulate it. Maybe Wright can team up with Latte Lath.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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Gint11 said:
Is definately offload Simms. Quite telling for me that he hasn’t been used at all for the playoffs. The blokes a wet wipe on the pitch. We know how good Wright is but since the hat trick, his performances and forms been awful and tonight, he had no fight in him so I’m leaning towards cashing in.

Starting point outs

collins
Bidwell
Sheaf
Simms
BTA
Cash in on Wright
I want MVE to stay but can see him going
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Not played, because we would have had to pay Everton 2 million. "Simms only joined the Sky Blues in the summer from Premier League side Everton, joining for a reported fee of £3.5 million, which could rise to £8 million in add-ons."
 
baldy

baldy

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sj007 said:
He's clearly a good player because he's scored a ton of goals last season and had good records at other clubs.

This season has been very stop-start for him. First couple of months he was in and out as Haji, BTA, Bassette all competing. I think he had a couple of good games, particularly against Luton at home, then I think he was injured and didn't play again under Robins. Under Lampard, he's scored goals in 3-5-2 but not so much in a 4-3-3.

As for what he's good at, I do think he wins headers and brings others into play. His touch isn't great, he's not aggressive enough and he's a confidence player, which all do hold him back. Maybe his strengths are more his natural assets rather than skill but that's fine.

At this level, he's a good striker if you can either play to his strengths or have a team that compliments him. He's not a world beater. He's definitely got limitations but at our level, that's standard. The point is, he's shown he can score goals in the Championship.
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Where's the evidence that he's done well at other clubs in the Championship?
 
baldy

baldy

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Skyblueabo1111 said:
Not played, because we would have had to pay Everton 2 million. "Simms only joined the Sky Blues in the summer from Premier League side Everton, joining for a reported fee of £3.5 million, which could rise to £8 million in add-ons."
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Fuck me - off you go again
 
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JoeCCFCPUSB

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Simms needs to go, he hasn't got a first touch and for such a big guy his hold up play is poor.

Wright is a touch one, his numbers are brilliant, but once again his first touch is shocking, his dribbling is average and for 6ft4 his heading ability is poor.

The problem is, if you sack off Wright, you have to replace him with someone that will score 15/20 a season.

If a club came in and offered 15 million for Wright, he has to go, but the focus would be to move on Asante, Simms, Binks, Tavares, Collins.

If we can get £10 mill for them 5 and free up some wages, I'm buying Mcnally and another centre back, keeping hold of Lati as a backup for MVE.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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baldy said:
Fuck me - off you go again
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"Simms only joined the Sky Blues in the summer from Premier League side Everton, joining for a reported fee of £3.5 million, which could rise to £8 million in add-ons.".. what do you think the add-ons were dipstick?
 
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Viktor17

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JoeCCFCPUSB said:
Simms needs to go, he hasn't got a first touch and for such a big guy his hold up play is poor.

Wright is a touch one, his numbers are brilliant, but once again his first touch is shocking, his dribbling is average and for 6ft4 his heading ability is poor.

The problem is, if you sack off Wright, you have to replace him with someone that will score 15/20 a season.

If a club came in and offered 15 million for Wright, he has to go, but the focus would be to move on Asante, Simms, Binks, Tavares, Collins.

If we can get £10 mill for them 5 and free up some wages, I'm buying Mcnally and another centre back, keeping hold of Lati as a backup for MVE.
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McNally has joined Bristol perm. He’s also done his ACL, that ship sailed now.
 
Gint11

Gint11

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Skyblueabo1111 said:
Not played, because we would have had to pay Everton 2 million. "Simms only joined the Sky Blues in the summer from Premier League side Everton, joining for a reported fee of £3.5 million, which could rise to £8 million in add-ons."
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Apparently that’s nonsense. This 1 game away from us paying out, I mean.
 
Johhny Blue

Johhny Blue

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fernandopartridge said:
I've been a big fan of Wright but I just can't accept the level of application we've had from him in this run in when it has really mattered, and for that reason, he's out.
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Agree 100%.
I can accept any of our players having a bad patch and have defended him in the past. But what I can’t stomach is a lazy player. He just looked like he couldn’t care less in the playoff games. I’d prefer BTA or Bassett out there playing their hearts out.
What would you give for 11 Sakomotos on the pitch?
 
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quinn1971

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Guess we’ll be trying to play something like this, which makes you think how wright managed to play every min in those 2 games ? “Aggression in the press and constant movement “ 😳
 

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Wright 35 in 70 or so
You’re having a laugh
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If he stays another season he’ll almost certainly join Godden in the all time top scorer charts.
 
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