Do you want to discuss boring politics? (28 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

I can assure you they were going up quite rapidly well before then, looking at the linked information below house prices have regular peaks and troughs, I bought my first house in the mid 80s while the market was going up but before the peak, right now we appear to be in a trough.

UK Real House Prices Adjusted For Inflation (From 1975 - 2024)

UK Real House Prices Adjusted For Inflation - using Nationwide mortgage data & the Office for National Statistics Retail Price Index (RPI).

www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk

The relationship with migration isn't consistent then, is it?

 

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[Captain Dart]

The early days of modern medicine prior to it becoming a more regulated industry I can believe things being done in ways we wouldn’t do now. The technology however was lifesaving for huge numbers of people.

Prove it was vaccines and not public health and nutrition improvements.

Measles was a big killer yet there was no Measles vaccine till the late 1960s by which time Measles deaths had dropped in the UK from 40 in 100,000 in the late 19th century to around 0.1 per 100,000, the improvement since then has been something like 1 in a million but there have also been general improvements in living conditions too.

There has never been a vaccine for Scarlet Fever (caused by Strep A infection) which used to have a mortality rate of 80 in 100,000 in the late 19th century, it also dropped to quite a low level, following a similar trend line to that of measles. There are these days 50,000 to 60,000 cases of Scarlet Fever each year in the UK maybe 5% of those develop into more serious gastrointestinal infections, it is treated with antibiotics but most of the reduction in mortality occured before the late 1940's when antibiotics became widely available. Strep A is on the rise worlwide I think the blame is being put on antibiotic resistance.

 

[Captain Dart]

The relationship with migration isn't consistent then, is it?

Never mentioned migration. By the way have you noticed there is a lot of housebuilding going on.

 

[mmttww]

You really weren’t.

I can live with you thinking that.

 

[MalcSB]

None of it would matter if we built enough homes. You want BtL investors out? Flood the market and make their investment worthless. You don’t want immigration rising prices? Build more. We need to build more anyway, we’re just rather destroy the country and the economy than have a semi built on a farmers field.

There seems to be plenty of house building going on around where I live

Who are “the intended buyers”? Such a weird phrase. If there’s demand for houses build enough for everyone then you don’t have to ration out to buyer you deem worthy.

i dont deem anyone more worthy than anybody else. However, there will be general unhappiness amongst the usual posters, yourself included, if boomers mop up all of the lower cost new houses. As well you know.

I am clearly not an intended buyer. Although a smaller, cheaper house in a lower council tax band would be handy for me and Mrs MalcSB. That would release a really good family sized house.

 

[MalcSB]

Dr Jenner tested his cowpox vaccine on a young boy. Not how we would go about it now but that led the way for ridding the world of a horrible illness.

Before or after the lad had been up the chimney?

 

[Grendel]

Well this is awkward

Rachel Reeves says UK economy 'beginning to turn a corner'

The economy grew faster than expected between January and March, before UK and US tax rises were brought in during April.

www.bbc.co.uk

Its the highest growth since the last quarter of Sunaks reign and has been associated mainly with supply to the US to avoid tariffs and some growth in retail as consumer wages have bettered inflation.

The outlook is rather depressing with projected increases in utilities and businesses struggling to meet extra tax costs

 

[MalcSB]

The relationship with migration isn't consistent then, is it?

Prove it was vaccines and not public health and nutrition improvements.

Measles was a big killer yet there was no Measles vaccine till the late 1960s by which time Measles deaths had dropped in the UK from 40 in 100,000 in the late 19th century to around 0.1 per 100,000, the improvement since then has been something like 1 in a million but there have also been general improvements in living conditions too.

There has never been a vaccine for Scarlet Fever (caused by Strep A infection) which used to have a mortality rate of 80 in 100,000 in the late 19th century, it also dropped to quite a low level, following a similar trend line to that of measles. There are these days 50,000 to 60,000 cases of Scarlet Fever each year in the UK maybe 5% of those develop into more serious gastrointestinal infections, it is treated with antibiotics but most of the reduction in mortality occured before the late 1940's when antibiotics became widely available. Strep A is on the rise worlwide I think the blame is being put on antibiotic resistance.

For all these things, the realities tend to be a combination of several complementary factors at the same time..

Nutrition and hygiene develop a baseline for better recovery from illness, extending life expectancy for many which will also lead to be more demand for the supply of housing. Who knew that high house prices are as a result of the development of vaccines and public health initiatives.

 

[chiefdave]

i dont deem anyone more worthy than anybody else. However, there will be general unhappiness amongst the usual posters, yourself included, if boomers mop up all of the lower cost new houses. As well you know.

I don't really see an issue with older people downsizing, in fact I'd view that as a good thing. But are there suitable properties being built.

Have this discussion with my Mum all the time. The house she's in is way to big for her, both in terms and needs and the ability to manage - guess who gets all those jobs! But when I talk to her about downsizing she, quite rightly, points out there's nowhere suitable for her to go without moving to a different location which she doesn't want to do for obvious reasons.

Not every old person wants to move into care or some sort of retirement village, and if you look at the how retirement villages work they seem another scam, charge after charge and little chance of getting back what you pay for your property let alone anything to cover the increase in house prices during the time you're in there.

When I was looking it was, to put it bluntly, a case of waiting for someone to die so a property became available. Surely there's better options than that.

 

[Captain Dart]

Dr Jenner tested his cowpox vaccine on a young boy. Not how we would go about it now but that led the way for ridding the world of a horrible illness.

Strangely enough massive smallpox mortality collapses were experienced in England & Wales at the same time as significant reductions in smallpox vaccination rates (from ~80 to 40%) in the years preceeding and immediately following WWI. Or to put it another way there wasn't particularly good correlation between mortality rates and vaccination rates.

Anyway you can go and get your monkeypox jab if you want, for that they use a smallpox vaccine called Modified Vaccinia Ankara (MVA), also known as Imvanex or Jynneos. Smallpox vaccines haven't been routinely given in the UK since 1971.

As for testing on minors check out what happened to Maddie DeGaury, who signed up for the 12 to 15 year old Pfizer Covid trial in January 2021. Within a day of the second shot, she suffered reactions all over her body, leaving her wheelchair-bound and with a feeding tube, she remains very ill and will probably be so for life. Doctors even tried to claim her problems were caused by anxiety and there are articles online implying it was just a coincidental occurance, that sort of denialist shit really makes me angry.

I just want the truth from independant well designed ethical studies.

 

[MalcSB]

I don't really see an issue with older people downsizing, in fact I'd view that as a good thing. But are there suitable properties being built.

Have this discussion with my Mum all the time. The house she's in is way to big for her, both in terms and needs and the ability to manage - guess who gets all those jobs! But when I talk to her about downsizing she, quite rightly, points out there's nowhere suitable for her to go without moving to a different location which she doesn't want to do for obvious reasons.

Not every old person wants to move into care or some sort of retirement village, and if you look at the how retirement villages work they seem another scam, charge after charge and little chance of getting back what you pay for your property let alone anything to cover the increase in house prices during the time you're in there.

When I was looking it was, to put it bluntly, a case of waiting for someone to die so a property became available. Surely there's better options than that.

The costs of moving, especially stamp duty, are crazy. Stamp duty used to be little more than the administrative cost of registering a change of ownership. A new Labour government changed that under Blair and Brown, seeing it as a way of raising more money from taxpayers. I’m not sure what it was squandered on.

This inhibits people from moving house, leading to longer commutes and more school runs and in turn to increased carbon footprints. Taxpayers end up paying the bill for government cock ups (inadequate impact assessments) - as usual.

 

[mmttww]

Surely there's better options than that.

We seem so sh*t at building apartments. All new builds I've seen have tracing paper for walls and small rooms vs. cities in Europe that have families living centrally in decent apartment blocks, nevermind singles or older people who want to downsize. Should be something we look to do a lot better at scale.

 

[MalcSB]

I don't really see an issue with older people downsizing, in fact I'd view that as a good thing. But are there suitable properties being built.

Have this discussion with my Mum all the time. The house she's in is way to big for her, both in terms and needs and the ability to manage - guess who gets all those jobs! But when I talk to her about downsizing she, quite rightly, points out there's nowhere suitable for her to go without moving to a different location which she doesn't want to do for obvious reasons.

Not every old person wants to move into care or some sort of retirement village, and if you look at the how retirement villages work they seem another scam, charge after charge and little chance of getting back what you pay for your property let alone anything to cover the increase in house prices during the time you're in there.

When I was looking it was, to put it bluntly, a case of waiting for someone to die so a property became available. Surely there's better options than that.

As Rayner said, there are plenty of properties. Whether they are where you want one, or of the correct nature or price is a different matter.

 

[MalcSB]

We seem so sh*t at building apartments. All new builds I've seen have tracing paper for walls and small rooms vs. cities in Europe that have families living centrally in decent apartment blocks, nevermind singles or older people who want to downsize. Should be something we look to do a lot better at scale.

I’m sure I read that UK new builds are in general smaller than European ones. Land prices? Some developers seem to be getting a bit better at, for example, building three storey houses these days.

 

[mmttww]

I’m sure I read that UK new builds are in general smaller than European ones. Land prices? Some developers seem to be getting a bit better at, for example, building three storey houses these days.

Greed mixed with land prices mixed with sh*t standards and poor oversight is my best guess. Needs sorting.

 

[MalcSB]

Greed mixed with land prices mixed with sh*t standards and poor oversight is my best guess. Needs sorting.

Trust in Ange.

 

[mmttww]

Trust in Ange.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Strangely enough massive smallpox mortality collapses were experienced in England & Wales at the same time as significant reductions in smallpox vaccination rates (from ~80 to 40%) in the years preceeding and immediately following WWI. Or to put it another way there wasn't particularly good correlation between mortality rates and vaccination rates.

Anyway you can go and get your monkeypox jab if you want, for that they use a smallpox vaccine called Modified Vaccinia Ankara (MVA), also known as Imvanex or Jynneos. Smallpox vaccines haven't been routinely given in the UK since 1971.

As for testing on minors check out what happened to Maddie DeGaury, who signed up for the 12 to 15 year old Pfizer Covid trial in January 2021. Within a day of the second shot, she suffered reactions all over her body, leaving her wheelchair-bound and with a feeding tube, she remains very ill and will probably be so for life. Doctors even tried to claim her problems were caused by anxiety and there are articles online implying it was just a coincidental occurance, that sort of denialist shit really makes me angry.

I just want the truth from independant well designed ethical studies.

You don’t want the truth unless it reinforces your anti vaxx conspiracy theories. Asked before, what are your scientific credentials?

 

[chiefdave]

The costs of moving, especially stamp duty, are crazy. Stamp duty used to be little more than the administrative cost of registering a change of ownership.

Sure there's plenty of people in the same situation as my Mum. If she stays where she is the house can't be used towards care costs. If she tries to move half the value of the house gets taken and she wouldn't be able to afford a new place. So essentially even if she could find someone to move to she has to wait for my Dad to die.

 

[Captain Dart]

You don’t want the truth unless it reinforces your anti vaxx conspiracy theories. Asked before, what are your scientific credentials?

You don't want the truth unless it supports your belief that medical orthodoxy cannot be challenged.

 

[shmmeee]

You don't want the truth unless it supports your belief that medical orthodoxy cannot be challenged.

It can be challenged, just by evidence and not a bloke with YouTube and poor reading comprehension.

You want to argue about vaccine efficacy, start by explaining away the multiple diseases that have disappeared with the introduction of vaccines. Pulling out hundred year documents and research papers when all you need is your eyes and a memory of five years ago says it all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You don't want the truth unless it supports your belief that medical orthodoxy cannot be challenged.

Do you understand how a vaccine works? Genuinely?

 

[Captain Dart]

Some 21 year old Ukranian bloke has been charged in connection with arson incidents at Starmer's properties.

Man charged over fires at homes linked to PM Keir Starmer

The 21-year-old man has been charged with three counts of arson with intent to endanger life.

www.bbc.co.uk