Match Thread Coventry v Sunderland Championship Playoff 1st Leg Friday 9th May (41 Viewers)

[TomRad85]

What have you seen to suggest we can go up there and get a result?
Can just see them sitting in again and hoping to hit us on the break.
We get a goal it changes the tie again but not sure how we go about doing that.

They'll do that, they might hit us on the break or we might go 1-0 up first forcing them to do something else. You really think this is done with what you saw fron Sunderland?

 

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[TomRad85]

We need 2 goals to get them to change their plan. I don’t see us getting one playing the same way.

We'll score there. Everyone can bookmark this too. Will we avoid gifting them another though? I'm not so sure on that.

 

[larry_david]

They say you want to go into the second leg still in the game.

We are still in the game, it's disgusting it's at a 2-1 scoreline but we take the lead on Tuesday and everything's out the window

Bristol city however..

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We'll score there. Everyone can bookmark this too. Will we avoid gifting them another though? I'm not so sure on that.

Fair, I have bookmarked it.

 

[Tommo1993]

What have you seen to suggest we can go up there and get a result?
Can just see them sitting in again and hoping to hit us on the break.
We get a goal it changes the tie again but not sure how we go about doing that.

They get the first goal and it’s sorted. Can’t really imagine us scoring two, so even if they score at anytime it’ll be done.

 

[clint van damme]

They'll do that, they might hit us on the break or we might go 1-0 up first forcing them to do something else. You really think this is done with what you saw fron Sunderland?

I don't think it's done but I've been saying for weeks, teams have sussed us.
They're happy to let us have possesion, and that's when they haven't got a goal head start.

In general that hasnt hampered our effectiveness at home but I think we've only win once away (Oxford) since reverting to a 4so that's a worry.

Said on another post Lampard has probably been in this position as a player and he over turned a deficit at Derby against Leeds so he has that experience to draw on. Hopefully he has something up his sleeve for Tuesday.

 

[Great_Expectations]

Still massively frustrated this morning.

BTA starting was a mistake and it was obvious to the world after 10 minutes he’d be ineffective against a low block.

Grimes is a good player (I’ll caveat that before I get called out) but playing as a third CB and slowing it down against a low block is mental. He’s good enough on the ball to play 5 yards further forward and play it quicker.

Wright is a waste of space. They were on him straight away and 100% in this head. His 1/5 excellent performances don’t excuse his anonymous shite ones.

We are so easy to play against; sit in and you know we won’t break you down.

I am a Simms fan, but he’s been poor this year. However his off the ball work, his ability to make space and his physical presence (if he uses it) is so much more effective against a low block.

The most frustrating bit; they were a poor side, low on confidence and we absolutely fucked it. Their game plan worked and now the tables are turned and they’ll be feeling absolutely on the up.

Silver lining; we’ll HAVE to do something different on Tuesday now. Surely…..

 

[duffer]

Emc anonymous and hardly surprising the clamour for him to come on was bizarre

I think it was because of the level of frustration at Wright, and in general mate.

A fit EMC offers a lot more than Wright in that position, imho. Whether Wright offers more than Simms down the middle is one I'm genuinely not sure about, neither is looking great at the moment.

 

[TomRad85]

I don't think it's done but I've been saying for weeks, teams have sussed us.
They're happy to let us have possesion, and that's when they haven't got a goal head start.

In general that hasnt hampered our effectiveness at home but I think we've only win once away (Oxford) since reverting to a 4so that's a worry.

Said on another post Lampard has probably been in this position as a player and he over turned a deficit at Derby against Leeds so he has that experience to draw on. Hopefully he has something up his sleeve for Tuesday.

I think they are favourites now don't get me wrong but if we go 1 up that crowd of morons can quickly turn.

 

[shmmeee]

We’re just so ponderous under Lampard it can get incredibly frustrating. I feel like if we put someone through one on one he’d stop and check back to the CBs.

 

[clint van damme]

I think they are favourites now don't get me wrong but if we go 1 up that crowd of morons can quickly turn.

Hopefully we do.
Whatever Lampard does, (and I hope it's not the same formation as last night but think it will be), he needs the front men to turn up because you're on a hiding to nothing the way they're preforming.

 

[TomRad85]

Hopefully we do.
Whatever Lampard does, (and I hope it's not the same formation as last night but think it will be), he needs the front men to turn up because you're on a hiding to nothing the way they're preforming.

The balls Rudoni consistently gets to completely disprove the theory that they just don't get the service, we actually get quite a few reasonable quality balls into the box every game, our strikers just have no desire to properly attack them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hopefully we do.
Whatever Lampard does, (and I hope it's not the same formation as last night but think it will be), he needs the front men to turn up because you're on a hiding to nothing the way they're preforming.

The formation can be the same, but the focus needs to be on getting the ball into the box more quickly and more often.

 

[CCFCBat]

What have you seen to suggest we can go up there and get a result?
Can just see them sitting in again and hoping to hit us on the break.
We get a goal it changes the tie again but not sure how we go about doing that.

How about how we scored yesterday, attack them at pace


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[Winny the Bish]

Completely agree with this. Last few weeks we’ve looked so strong at home because Grimes and Sheaf have been playing in a proper midfield two. It’s let us slice through teams.

Grimes taking up the 3rd CB position last night absolutely killed us. Meant Sheaf was 1 vs 2 in midfield and couldn’t do anything and we just ended up hitting diags to our 5’7 full backs.

 

[shmmeee]

The balls Rudoni consistently gets to completely disprove the theory that they just don't get the service, we actually get quite a few reasonable quality balls into the box every game, our strikers just have no desire to properly attack them.

Haji isn’t a striker in that sense. Him and Simms have no sense of timing or are particularly great in the air. I think our issue was summed up when Rudoni put a great ball in behind the defence to exactly where Rudoni would be if he wasn’t crossing the ball.

Ben Sheafs shooting from the edge of the box has gone beyond a joke now too. It’s Ellis Simms trapping level of why the fuck can’t a pro manage that?

 

[Lionelr]

Don’t forget, Derby under Lampard lost 1-0 to Leeds in the play off semi and won 4-2 at Elland Road taking them through. We’re no strangers to coming from behind, if we can pull back 3 goals against Man United within a 25 minute span then we can get a result Tuesday. An early goal would send the crowd into meltdown. It may do us some good being the under dog, I’d expect us to be a lot more direct with the ball, more chances, potentially even a scrappy game.

 

[TomRad85]

Haji isn’t a striker in that sense. Him and Simms have no sense of timing or are particularly great in the air. I think our issue was summed up when Rudoni put a great ball in behind the defence to exactly where Rudoni would be if he wasn’t crossing the ball.

Ben Sheafs shooting from the edge of the box has gone beyond a joke now too. It’s Ellis Simms trapping level of why the fuck can’t a pro manage that?

Given that both are absolute units it's incredibly frustrating. Used to let Haji off because of the other stuff but he's been dire generally recently and Simms just needs moving on.

Sheafs shooting is a meme at this point. He's the footballer equivalent of a Storm Trooper.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Given that both are absolute units it's incredibly frustrating. Used to let Haji off because of the other stuff but he's been dire generally recently and Simms just needs moving on.

Sheafs shooting is a meme at this point. He's the footballer equivalent of a Storm Trooper.

He scored that superb goal at Hillsborough and has been sending balls into orbit ever since

 

[shmmeee]

Given that both are absolute units it's incredibly frustrating. Used to let Haji off because of the other stuff but he's been dire generally recently and Simms just needs moving on.

Sheafs shooting is a meme at this point. He's the footballer equivalent of a Storm Trooper.

You can afford a Haji if you don’t also have a Simms or a BTA playing. A decent target man and I don’t think we’d worry about him wide left. But two frankly lazy strikers we can’t make up for.

 

[shmmeee]

He scored that superb goal at Hillsborough and has been sending balls into orbit ever since

Id tell him the top corner is off limits and have him practicing against two foot high goals.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Id tell him the top corner is off limits and have him practicing against two foot high goals.

Nick has a few of those for sale

 

[David O'Day]

Proper deflated this morning. Feel like I did after the United game last year. Such a great build up. The ground, the pubs, the concourse were rocking. The atmosphere was incredible and generally happy with the performance of most players.

So proud of the club. It is remarkable after all the years of being the worst club in the country to support. We should all be proud.

The mistake is such a sucker punch and for me has completely turned the tide. The the records, dreadful Sunderland form and hoodoo's seem to have been broken.

ffs

 

[David O'Day]

Completely agree with this. Last few weeks we’ve looked so strong at home because Grimes and Sheaf have been playing in a proper midfield two. It’s let us slice through teams.

Grimes taking up the 3rd CB position last night absolutely killed us. Meant Sheaf was 1 vs 2 in midfield and couldn’t do anything and we just ended up hitting diags to our 5’7 full backs.

He plays that HB role every game though?

 

[Winny the Bish]

He plays that HB role every game though?

Against Boro they played like a real duo though. Swapping who was the deepest and the other making a passing lane.

 

[Tommo1993]

Right. Enough for me about last night, I should really put it from my mind. Hopefully we’ve got an answer on Tuesday, it’ll need to be something we haven’t seen from the team recently.

 

[pusbccfc]

ffs

What now?

 

[eyesee]

what is the point of crossing balls into bta? or wright, who admits he's shit in the air and needs 3 touches in the box.
why did we not play simms? he may not be on his game, but bta or wright are definitely not the answer.

bad, bad night for lampard.

 

[TomRad85]

Id tell him the top corner is off limits and have him practicing against two foot high goals.

I hear Doug has a shipment of barn doors and banjos arriving at Ryton today. Interestingly my ITK contact tells me the banjos have a repeat order arriving tomorrow but the barn doors are expected to be quite safe.

 

[shmmeee]

Maybe Lampard needs to tell Sheaf the after training midfielder finishing sessions aren’t exclusively for Rudi.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Right. Enough for me about last night, I should really put it from my mind. Hopefully we’ve got an answer on Tuesday, it’ll need to be something we haven’t seen from the team recently.

Is it a must win?

 

[shmmeee]

Is it a must win?

@itsabuzzard your time has come!

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Now the dust has settled I’m not convinced what we need to do has changed.

Go to the SOL, put them on the back foot and attack.

 

[David O'Day]

Against Boro they played like a real duo though. Swapping who was the deepest and the other making a passing lane.

Not in the 1st phase of build up, he will move forward once we have solid possession and he did that last night but virtually all of the time when we are building from the back he will drop deep alongside the CBs. It helps us try and play through any press and also it means our CBs don't have to try and play balls they can't play.

Rudi also drops deeper during these phases making it the pretty bog standard these days 3-2 shape that most clubs try and play.

 

[David O'Day]

What now?

The defeatism, it's 1-0 at half time