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[David O'Day]

If @shmmeee @David O'Day can’t admit starmer has had stinker so far shows how shortsighted and one dimensional their politics are

What the fuck are you on about? My first post on this says it was not great for Labour but it could of been worse.

You want to talk about politics? The fella who believes in chemtrails and posts islamophobic bullshit on twitter?

 

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[GIMOC]

What the fuck are you on about? My first post on this says it was not great for Labour but it could of been worse.

You want to talk about politics? The fella who believes in chemtrails and posts islamophobic bullshit on twitter?

not talking about that

talking about last night. typical Labour trying to divert attention away

so it’s gone from reform having a poor night to Labour having poor night

who had a good night then because it Weren’t the tories

sums your views up

in your eyes everyone had a bad night

 

[Evo1883]

Its a by election you loon. Governments lose by elections mid term. I expected worse than the bum squeaker. Ever council hasn’t seen major Labour losses because Labour aren’t up in most. The last set of these elections was mostly Tory seats.

Hardly midterm is it , they've been in power less than 1 year

 

[chiefdave]

Was hoping to get in before shmmeee posted that this was good for labour and all part of some brilliant Starmer plan but looks like I’m too late

 

[DT-R]

okay, you do realise that Reform expected to win by a much, much bigger margin? As currently unpopular as the Labour government is Reform could only win by 6 votes shows that they are nowhere being in a position to win a General Election.

No, but they have massively put their foot in the door and shown they are now a serious contender as an opposition.
Unfortunately the way votes work they'll struggle to get anywhere in a general election (over half a million more votes than Lib Dems but only 5 seats compared to 72) but they're shaping politics from the sidelines. The country is waking up to the woke agenda and they're fed up with it! Labour only got in because it was either them or the tories. It used to be that a "protest" vote for any party other than Lab or Con was a wasted vote. It's starting to seem that a vote for either of those 2 is now the wasted vote!
Whether people like it or not, politics is changing, people are fed up of the same old, main stream politics.
Like Farage or not, he's changing the way politics works.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hardly midterm is it , they've been in power less than 1 year

It’s all part of the plan, just as he said it was to front load all of the crap unpopular stuff now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, but they have massively put their foot in the door and shown they are now a serious contender as an opposition.
Unfortunately the way votes work they'll struggle to get anywhere in a general election (over half a million more votes than Lib Dems but only 5 seats compared to 72) but they're shaping politics from the sidelines. The country is waking up to the woke agenda and they're fed up with it! Labour only got in because it was either them or the tories. It used to be that a "protest" vote for any party other than Lab or Con was a wasted vote. It's starting to seem that a vote for either of those 2 is now the wasted vote!
Whether people like it or not, politics is changing, people are fed up of the same old, main stream politics.
Like Farage or not, he's changing the way politics works.

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Starmer is about as woke as a potato

 

[Evo1883]

It’s all part of the plan, just as he said it was to front load all of the crap unpopular stuff now.

Labour have been a nightmare already , I wish I never voted for the dickhead

 

[David O'Day]

not talking about that

talking about last night. typical Labour trying to divert attention away

so it’s gone from reform having a poor night to Labour having poor night

who had a good night then because it Weren’t the tories

sums your views up

in your eyes everyone had a bad night

No you said I said something I didn't say, read my original post and i'll accept your apology

Stop trying to wrangle your way out of being shown up for talking shite and not being able to read.

It is perfectly possible for Labour to have a bad night but Reform to not do as well as the would hope to do.

If you can't grasp that then we are done.

 

[GIMOC]

No you said I said something I didn't say, read my original post and i'll accept your apology

Stop trying to wrangle your way out of being shown up for talking shite and not being able to read.

pot kettle black

you and your Labour lover live in a different world to everyone else and this thread shows that

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Starmer hasn't got a chance in the next election, he might not even be leader by then

He’s just won the biggest majority in years. starmer will be in charge of Labour going into the next GE.

the locals always sting the standing government, come General Election, all reform will do is split the Tory vote

 

[David O'Day]

Starmer is about as woke as a potato

Trying to thing who his other account is as his posting reminds me of someone but I just can't put my finger on it.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

He’s just won the biggest majority in years. starmer will be in charge of Labour going into the next GE.

the locals always sting the standing government, come General Election, all reform will do is split the Tory vote

And a lot wishing they never voted for the prick, he'll be gone!

 

[GIMOC]

the locals always sting the standing government, come General Election, all reform will do is split the Tory vote

That’s not true now is it?

tories were in power last time round and performed very well

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour have been a nightmare already , I wish I never voted for the dickhead

By the next general election, who will be more unpopular:

LINOs (Labour In Name Only) or

 

[rob9872]

Any idea what the turn out was yet on the locals?

Talking about it at work, almost everyone is pretty disillusioned with politics in general, some asked if this is 'the one with Matt Western', almost nobody bothered to actually vote. Unsure of course how that affects results as they could have been voters from all camps, but the general apathy is important to understand. How do you encourage more to get out, have a vote, be engaged, make a difference or even care. The lack of understanding should also be a worry.

 

[David O'Day]

pot kettle black

you and your Labour lover live in a different world to everyone else and this thread shows that

You live in a world where chemtrails are a thing so less of the "different world".

Learn to read anyway, you'll look less stupid.

 

[rob9872]

By the next general election, who will be more unpopular:

LINOs (Labour In Name Only) or View attachment 42884

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Labour have been a nightmare already , I wish I never voted for the dickhead

What were you expecting within 1 year?

- NHS waiting lists coming down/ Funding been increased
- more military spending
- trying to buy back nuclear planta
- started sending illegal migrants back
- breakfast clubs for kids
- improving workers rights
- sorted the doctors and train strikes
- no longer a pariah state

There are some things - the pip payments has been done to harshly without thought, and the WFP could have possibly waited a year rather than a straight away thing. But they’ve not been a disaster the media has made out

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Was hoping to get in before shmmeee posted that this was good for labour and all part of some brilliant Starmer plan but looks like I’m too late

4D chess.

Some of the interpretations on here require a high level of skill in political spin or delusion…

Runcorn was Labour’s 49th safest seat where Reform had roughly 5% of the vote share in 2024. It doesn’t paint a good picture for the majority of the 90 or so seats where Reform came second in 2024. Places like Hartlepool, Barnsley and others will surely flip from Labour.

Before the election, it was my view that Labour just isn’t equipped to deal with the countries issues and to be frank, it’s probably worse than I expect.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Assistant referee

 

[GIMOC]

What were you expecting within 1 year?

- NHS waiting lists coming down/ Funding been increased
- more military spending
- trying to buy back nuclear planta
- started sending illegal migrants back
- breakfast clubs for kids
- improving workers rights
- sorted the doctors and train strikes
- no longer a pariah state

There are some things - the pip payments has been done to harshly without thought, and the WFP could have possibly waited a year rather than a straight away thing. But they’ve not been a disaster the media has made out

- NHS waiting lists coming down/ Funding been increased

This started with tories implementations end of government

- more military spending

because of trump

- trying to buy back nuclear planta

- started sending illegal migrants back
highest number of arrivals up by 40%

- breakfast clubs for kids
pilot scheme

- improving workers rights
Good

- sorted the doctors and train strikes
because doctors and train strikes instrumented by unions to impact tories. what about Birmingham Bin strikes?

- no longer a pariah state

 

[Marty]

Starmer is about as woke as a potato

Has the charisma of one too.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

- NHS waiting lists coming down/ Funding been increased

This started with tories implementations end of government

Disagree with this - increased funding allowing more time, and streeting scarily using Private providers temporarily has done this. Ending the doctors strikes probably helps aswell

- more military spending

because of trump

Again- the Labour government discussed raising to 3% of the GDP prior to them getting in power.

- trying to buy back nuclear plant

Nothing on this? Also bringing back British steel?

- started sending illegal migrants back
highest number of arrivals up by 40%

That’s an external issue - that smash the gangs isn’t going to deal within 1 year. Nothing they can do to stop that. They’ve at least started sendinf

- breakfast clubs for kids
pilot scheme

So? It’s an extremely good idea

- improving workers rights
Good

- sorted the doctors and train strikes
because doctors and train strikes instrumented by unions to impact tories. what about Birmingham Bin strikes?

Local issue - which admittedly, I’m not a fan of the monopolies Labour hold over Birmingham and indeed Coventry council. The threat of losing your seats needs to be there

- no longer a pariah state

Nothing?

 

[shmmeee]

Hardly midterm is it , they've been in power less than 1 year

You know what I mean it’s during their term, not a GE. Protest votes are common. We’ve been seeing this for a decade now.

 

[rob9872]

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[shmmeee]

Was hoping to get in before shmmeee posted that this was good for labour and all part of some brilliant Starmer plan but looks like I’m too late

It’s not anything for Labour. They had barely any elections. Runcorn was a close loss that looks like it would swing back at a GE. I know everyone wants to talk about Labour all the time but this is a Conservative collapse. Labours collapse would be the next set.

 

[shmmeee]

Giving
Idiots
Money
Or
Credularity

 

[rob9872]

It’s not anything for Labour. They had barely any elections. Runcorn was a close loss that looks like it would swing back at a GE. I know everyone wants to talk about Labour all the time but this is a Conservative collapse. Labours collapse would be the next set.

Nah, not having that. You can all argue about who it was best or worst for, I'm not getting involved, but the Conservative collapse happened previously at the last GE.

 

[Evo1883]

Giving
Idiots
Money
Or
Credularity

*Credulity

 

[Evo1883]

 

[shmmeee]

Nah, not having that. You can all argue about who it was best or worst for, I'm not getting involved, but the Conservative collapse happened previously at the last GE.

Right I’m not answering comments until I get a 500 words essay summarising this from people now.

Why are there no local elections in West Yorkshire this year? - BBC News

Polling booths across England will be busy on Thursday, but West Yorkshire is an election-free zone.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

*Credulity

I’m the idiot now

 

[Evo1883]

I’m the idiot now

 

[rob9872]

Right I’m not answering comments until I get a 500 words essay summarising this from people now.

Why are there no local elections in West Yorkshire this year? - BBC News

Polling booths across England will be busy on Thursday, but West Yorkshire is an election-free zone.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm not sure how that's relevant? You were all arguing about Runcorn and the 15k not the locals. The GE was the Conservatives worst defeat in over 100 years.

Id' also add that as the last locals happened mid-term of the last gov't then surely a good part of the swing had already happened or that would counter what some are using as the reasons on here for different outcomes. You've quoted it against my post that the Conservative collapse had already happened.

Can you link it for the hard of thinking, of which I'm clearly a part this morning.