Can’t understand why people are rating Torp higher than Allen yesterday. Blindness maybe.
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Not sure we should be expecting anyone to make an instant impact to be honest.
Some hit the ground running and others, take a little while to settle in.
Just the nature of the beast.
Yes, we beat Forest at home on the opening day a few seasons ago.
Beat Forest 2-1 didn't we (the year they went up)Is that correct?! I cba to check but that’s absolutely mad if so, surely not? So we’ve gone 17 seasons without having won an opening day game? Seems like we’re destined to always start shit
I just think at that age and that fee you should see something early. For the money you should have a natural talent level that shows. I think everyone saw from day one that MvE Hamer Sakamoto for example had something about them.
Not saying he won’t come good. Just that for the money i wouldn’t want to wait too long. Less about the player and more about the decision to spend over £4m on someone who isn’t going to hit the ground running.
I’ve been saying it for ages but this is why I rate European players over English league players. The pool of players is much greater and I feel that at the level we’re working at, prices aren’t inflated compared to the ability the players actually represent.
I’ve got no evidence to back any of this up (shock) but I’m sure that if Kitching was Italian and played in the Dutch league he wouldn’t have been bought for anywhere near £4m. Teams in the championship seem to love other players in the championship and league 1, honestly don’t get it.
Edit: players like Grimes etc I don’t have an issue with, I take issue with spending £4m on a defender from Barnsley that seems clueless at times.
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I think people panicking a bit and looking into things too much
These players will continue to gain experience and some will become leaders in time. Don't have to buy a seasoned player although I wouldn't be against it either
We do need a midfielder in though as Allen isn't of the quality required for auto promotion contending team week in week out.
I like Thomas alot which is why it's so silly @Samo accused me of having a boo boy! But his passing was poor yday. That said do we really want a seasoned pro I go de trail Thomas and binks development? I'm not so sure
Fine margins in this game. Has binks scored that header or even if it remained scoreless we would be here talking about a clean sheet and away point whilst playing poorly. Mark of champions etc
I think we will be okay personally. Just need that midfielder in for sure and hopefully a RB back up
These players will continue to gain experience and some will become leaders in time. Don't have to buy a seasoned player although I wouldn't be against it either
We do need a midfielder in though as Allen isn't of the quality required for auto promotion contending team week in week out.
I like Thomas alot which is why it's so silly @Samo accused me of having a boo boy! But his passing was poor yday. That said do we really want a seasoned pro I go de trail Thomas and binks development? I'm not so sure
Fine margins in this game. Has binks scored that header or even if it remained scoreless we would be here talking about a clean sheet and away point whilst playing poorly. Mark of champions etc
I think we will be okay personally. Just need that midfielder in for sure and hopefully a RB back up
So let’s get things straight. Torp isn’t good enough but we should focus on foreign signings. EMC has played 60 minutes but is criticised for lacking impact! We shouldn’t sign L1 players any more. Kitching will be the cornerstone of our defence for a good while. One game in guys. We just needed to play with more intensity.
We've had 2 good spending seasons to build a cohesive squad. And it seems we are still way out of balance. Plenty of forwards (and keepers!), weak midfield, no RB cover.
I'm not sure 'we will be okay' will be good enough for Doug.
Midfield is the heart of 'playing with intensity'. Winning the ball and quickly passing to players who can move forward.
Do you think Torp, Allen, Eccles have the capability to deliver that?
I couldn't quite see who was CDM yesterday at times lost our shape a bit, and wasnt clear who was pushing forward and holding. Allen was poor but it's not his role against a physical stoke team. Torp works much better with Sheaf. Allen and Eccles togrther with Palmer does not work as all give ball away too much..... ( I'm not just basing this on yesterday)
No, we beat Forest on opening day in 21-22. We’ve had Hamer and Fadz’s leadership at the back for every opening day since we’ve been back in the Championship (2-1 loss to Bristol C, 2-1 win v Forest, 1-1 draw v Sunderland and 2-1 loss to Leicester), but this was by far the poorest performance. We never looked like scoring for all the firepower at our disposal.
Hope we haven't fallen for the classic Peterborough scam of overhyping their attacking players to get big money for them.
Eccles, yes. Allen, yes. Torp, possibly. But the squad also has Sheaf. Yesterday wasn’t about ability for me. It was mindset.
I can agree that part of the issue is spending high amounts on players who don’t seem worth the price, but there’s a growing part of me thinking that we keep moving away from playing to the strengths of what we’ve got.
We’re asking players to move the ball slowly around the back when they struggle under a press. Aiming to put lots of balls into the box when our main striker is weak in the air. Getting players to mark zonally at corners when they keep losing track of opponents etc.
And yet, this isn’t what we spent pre-season working on. So what were the instructions yesterday?
We’re asking players to move the ball slowly around the back when they struggle under a press. Aiming to put lots of balls into the box when our main striker is weak in the air. Getting players to mark zonally at corners when they keep losing track of opponents etc.
And yet, this isn’t what we spent pre-season working on. So what were the instructions yesterday?
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I'd possibly agree with that. Although Eccles needs to improve his passing.
Torp and Allen aren't ball winners.
Allen is better without the ball than with it (not yesterday), but that isn't enough.
What's worrying about Torp is he doesn't want the ball, verging on hiding.
I've learnt to let it go, only took me 50 plus years, you'll be fine in 20 years mate.
We are quite capable of thumping Oxford by 4 goals, but then losing by a couple at Bristol City in the following league game. When Sheaf returns and we hopefully get another player (or two ) in, we'll be fine.
I think this is the hardest I've ever been before a season, trust CCFC to make me limp again in double quick time.
Reality is though that this is an excellent squad at Championship level so it's on Robins to get them performing.
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Oxford won’t be as easy as some are making out. The “we’ll be fine once…” stuff seems to get said every season.
I'm not sure it's as good as people think, I need a bit more convincing after yesterday.
I disagree, but if we go with your opinion then Robins would arguably have more questions to answer than less.
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Well we clearly need a other midfielder, someone does need to answers questions as to why that's not been addressed.
100% agree with that. Baffling we haven't seen one come in yet.
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If that's how we are going to play this season then frankly we are all way off In our assumptions
I think playoffs should definitely be achievable but I do think some people have got carried away with how good we are.
The midfield really concerns me, I worry that there's not much more to come from Torp which means we're hanging our hat on Sheaf, a player who seems to experience at least one mid term injury and one spell of drastic lost form every season.
If that area is not right then it's going to be a difficult season.
It's only one game, so early days but not a great start against a pretty poor side who had two players really taking the game to us and that was enough.