CarpyCov84
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How does everyone think we are shaping up under Mark Robins ?
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Otis
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Very pleased with him so far. Seems to have brought some discipline and order in and has set high targets for his players in terms of effort and organisation.
I think we most definitely brought in the right man for the job. He's going to bring stability and that's the number one thing we need right now.
I think we most definitely brought in the right man for the job. He's going to bring stability and that's the number one thing we need right now.
Voice_of_Reason
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Yes, very pleased with him so far... he doesn't bull-shit, tells us, and the players, how it is. Tells us it is a huge task to turn it round and asks us to be patient. Playing crap, but this is a results business and so far, results have been OK, not brilliant, but as much as we could expect. I'll judge him more come the end of the season, but even then I think that it too soon. Give him next summer to build and form a team capable of a top six spot, or higher. I'll be chuffed to bits with a mid-table finish -- to me that will mean progress. Play offs this season ? Never say never, but I doubt it !
Grendel
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He is doing fine. Clearly the club was organised shambolically by his predecessors'.
This includes Thorn, Harrison and Shaw (a huge disappointment the latter) and Waggot and Fisher also are culpable for allowing the fiasco to continue.
There are major concerns with fitness levels, coaching, general discipline. These cannot be addressed immediately but need time.
The concern is if the general view is reflected on here we are a top 6 team. That is nonsense. We have purchased poorly. With no McGoldrick we are a bottom 6 team on paper and we need to somehow move on the poor under-performers and sign better replacements.
Not easy.
This includes Thorn, Harrison and Shaw (a huge disappointment the latter) and Waggot and Fisher also are culpable for allowing the fiasco to continue.
There are major concerns with fitness levels, coaching, general discipline. These cannot be addressed immediately but need time.
The concern is if the general view is reflected on here we are a top 6 team. That is nonsense. We have purchased poorly. With no McGoldrick we are a bottom 6 team on paper and we need to somehow move on the poor under-performers and sign better replacements.
Not easy.
Anyone that posts that the quality hasn't inproved enough is looking past how bad it was. Robins talks sense and plays sense on the park - he's not afraid to mix up the team and drop those players who aren't giving it 100%.
Got to give him time, no playoffs this year and will the board just sack him? I do hope not, he is definitely the man for the job long term.
Got to give him time, no playoffs this year and will the board just sack him? I do hope not, he is definitely the man for the job long term.
stupot07
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He's doing ok, I don't think we can really judge him until next season when he's had 2 transfer windows to get rid of the dross.
He does however, make some strange decisions and is a bit negative - Moussa and Jennings were virtually playing as 2 defensive midfielders int he first half in what looked like a 4231.....at home vs a side of part timers who are 4 leagues below us. The first goal came from Moussa's first foray forward and in the second half both players played higher up the pitch which made us look more dangerous.
We know we lack pace and width, so he brought in 3 CMs (yes he's played Moussa CM for 90% of the time he's been here), we must have the two slowest wide men in the league.
He's played players in the wrong position, Clarke at CB, Fleck at RM vs Orient, etc
Thorn has really fecked up the squad with his transfers, wasting wages and the only fee on players that can't get in the first 11.
I'm not convinced that all of the players are buying into his philosophy as there are still too many half arsed performances, these players need to go.
He does however, make some strange decisions and is a bit negative - Moussa and Jennings were virtually playing as 2 defensive midfielders int he first half in what looked like a 4231.....at home vs a side of part timers who are 4 leagues below us. The first goal came from Moussa's first foray forward and in the second half both players played higher up the pitch which made us look more dangerous.
We know we lack pace and width, so he brought in 3 CMs (yes he's played Moussa CM for 90% of the time he's been here), we must have the two slowest wide men in the league.
He's played players in the wrong position, Clarke at CB, Fleck at RM vs Orient, etc
Thorn has really fecked up the squad with his transfers, wasting wages and the only fee on players that can't get in the first 11.
I'm not convinced that all of the players are buying into his philosophy as there are still too many half arsed performances, these players need to go.
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CarpyCov84
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Agree some good points made here I think January will be key to what we can achieve this season but I personally would be happy to steady the ship this season and make a real go of it next year.Our biggest problem is freeing up certain players wages to get new lads in.Sisu made a massive blunder putting Thorn in charge he should have kept us up with the side he had last year but then to leave him in to riddle us with more dead wood it vertically tied Robins hands up for him with what he can do in terms of getting his players in.I wounder what the figure is in terms of wages are when it comes to the dead wood - Bell,Malaga,Elliot,ROD,Mcsheff,Baker,McDonald etc.
Otis
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I think the Clarke at centre back was forced though. It has been a needs must situation.
It was either Clarke or Willis and Willis is obviously a lot less experienced.
Wish we could turn the clock back and have those 9 transfers all over again. Not sure we would take at least 8 of them given the choice now.
It was either Clarke or Willis and Willis is obviously a lot less experienced.
Wish we could turn the clock back and have those 9 transfers all over again. Not sure we would take at least 8 of them given the choice now.
Otis
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Cameron was on the bench, but I am pretty sure Robins said he was carrying a bit of an injury, so am guessing he didn't want to risk him.
I would have liked to have seen Willis to be honest, but Clarke has been out of form and lost confidence so maybe Robins saw it as a opportunity for him to try and regain that against lower league opposition.
I would have liked to have seen Willis to be honest, but Clarke has been out of form and lost confidence so maybe Robins saw it as a opportunity for him to try and regain that against lower league opposition.
davebart
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I don't think it is fair to judge players on a few performances, especially in a club which has problems. They have effectively played under three managers this season and the same team has hardly been put out twice.
Any new manager is going to want to stamp his own authority on it so the pecking order changes.
Any new manager is going to want to stamp his own authority on it so the pecking order changes.
sw88
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Hate the guy. The sooner hes sacked, the better 
Only kidding. About time we had someone to steady the ship. It will take time because of his many predecessors making a hash if things, but he seems to have his head screwed on. His honesty is invaluable. Too many previous managers have been far too nicey nicey and let the players get away with too much!
Im confident we have the right man at the helm. This season (with the way its gone this far) ill be happy with a mid table finish, and then with a good summer of getting rid of the dead wood should help us have a much better statt next season (a season where we're aiming to win the JPT trophy for a consecutive year! Thats the only route we're getting the Wembley this year)
Only kidding. About time we had someone to steady the ship. It will take time because of his many predecessors making a hash if things, but he seems to have his head screwed on. His honesty is invaluable. Too many previous managers have been far too nicey nicey and let the players get away with too much!
Im confident we have the right man at the helm. This season (with the way its gone this far) ill be happy with a mid table finish, and then with a good summer of getting rid of the dead wood should help us have a much better statt next season (a season where we're aiming to win the JPT trophy for a consecutive year! Thats the only route we're getting the Wembley this year)
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I don't think he has got us playing well or good football any more than previous managers. I do think he has improved our defence though, we are pretty much a one man team at the moment in attacking though
CarpyCov84
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I'd be very surprised if he doesn't land some decent players in Jan 2-3 quality players we can push for play offs no doubt
Paxman II
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Hmmm....at the moment it must be said he has not set the ground alight by any means. Results have been improved and there have been moments where we have looked good and then moments we have looked as equally awful as we did under Thorn? And that is my problem at the moment.
Why are we still clearly playing so awful in periods when the shackles have been removed and all players have this clean sheet to play under their new manager?
I am willing to wait and give more time before being too critical. I feel he will eradicate the sloppy periods from our game and if he does that sooner rather than later then we will strive up the league.
My only question is though....is it the players we have and they are not as good as we thought they would be at this level or is it just more time and coaching from the Mark Robins school needed?
We have a set of games coming up that on paper and current form we should make a very good return on. If we fail to do that then MR will leave himself open to his critics as this league is piss poor and we are certainly not the worst squad in this league and have a large squad at that able to cope with injuries.
I watch closely what he does with the likes of McDonald and a few others. I'm less likely to judge on his tactics alone but on results because that is what's needed. Do that and everything else will come together. Like I said the next volley of games coming up lok like an opportunity to see exactly where we are and I'm exopecting and demanding some good results. To get the patience of the fans he desires MR's needs to make these upcoming games count and he will get the fans support. We are good enough so we need to perform and prove it.
Why are we still clearly playing so awful in periods when the shackles have been removed and all players have this clean sheet to play under their new manager?
I am willing to wait and give more time before being too critical. I feel he will eradicate the sloppy periods from our game and if he does that sooner rather than later then we will strive up the league.
My only question is though....is it the players we have and they are not as good as we thought they would be at this level or is it just more time and coaching from the Mark Robins school needed?
We have a set of games coming up that on paper and current form we should make a very good return on. If we fail to do that then MR will leave himself open to his critics as this league is piss poor and we are certainly not the worst squad in this league and have a large squad at that able to cope with injuries.
I watch closely what he does with the likes of McDonald and a few others. I'm less likely to judge on his tactics alone but on results because that is what's needed. Do that and everything else will come together. Like I said the next volley of games coming up lok like an opportunity to see exactly where we are and I'm exopecting and demanding some good results. To get the patience of the fans he desires MR's needs to make these upcoming games count and he will get the fans support. We are good enough so we need to perform and prove it.
ps1948
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The problem he has is that he was left a bit of a crap hand with the players he had to pick from......and most of those didn't perform for Shaw or Thorn
WestEndAgro
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IMO we are no better under Robins, their is no evidence to suggest otherwise, yes we have won a couple, but the football is no better, the players seem to be on totally different wave lengths.
Robins docent seem to know his best starting 11 or who should even be captain.
6/10 must do BETTER
Robins docent seem to know his best starting 11 or who should even be captain.
6/10 must do BETTER
WillieStanley
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This belief that the players should instantly be playing better because they have a fresh start is ridiculous. I think that the reason they don't seem to be playing with much confidence is that there has been so much ill disipline that he's had to come in and literally teach grass roots stuff. I've noticed that the players haven't really been playing with that much freedom. This is quite simply because they've had so much of it in the past but failed to get the basics right.
"I just told the lads to go out and enjoy themselves"
That only works if the basics are second nature. I'm guessing that Robins is laying the foundation of these very basic yet essential football mentalities are culture and are embedded into each and every player. It's only then that we can progress and become more creative in our approach.
Still a long way off IMHO but hopefully we can scrape a few results together along the way.
"I just told the lads to go out and enjoy themselves"
That only works if the basics are second nature. I'm guessing that Robins is laying the foundation of these very basic yet essential football mentalities are culture and are embedded into each and every player. It's only then that we can progress and become more creative in our approach.
Still a long way off IMHO but hopefully we can scrape a few results together along the way.
MusicDating
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He talks a good talk. Just waiting until he can walk the walk. I have faith in him. Saying that I had faith in AT. I have faith in whoever is in charge. When the faith goes I will give up
So this. We all want to believe MR is the manager to finally give us some cheer, whether he is may take a few seasons. Trouble is, we don't usually wait that long!
Houchens Head
Fairly well known member from Malvern
When we're looking like a promotion chasing side, I'll be happy. Until then, I'll not pass judgement.
SussexSkyBlue
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Astute
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3 years is too long to turn around a club at the level we are at. 2 years will be changing most of the squad. We have about the highest player budget. There are no amazing squads to play against. Sort things out this season and go for it next season at the latest for me. If it wasn't for the Shaw stint at the start of the season it would look so different. Most teams if not nearly all will have a different manager as well as different players at this level.
Grendel
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There is the evidence. The phrase "won a couple" was rarely used in the last 18 months.
Grendel
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We don't know how the Shaw stint affected us. I would argue it had negligable effect. The home game under his tenure we would have won but for a dodgy referee decision. Away from home no one can seriously argue we needed Thorn with his record on our travels.
To some Thorn was unsackable. Some on here (not you) are already implying Robins is not impressing enough. Given that many defended Thorn despite glaring evidence of his unsuitability to football management that is nothing short of ludicrous.
Grendel
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The board doesn't. The fans sometime wait far too long. I would very few clubs are as tolerant as our fans regarding managers.
WestEndAgro
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I've got to be honest Grendel, I think we would have won a couple with ME in charge.
stupot07
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dongonzalos
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Good manager.
However they said they wanted someone who would take this lot including staff and go for the play offs.
He was not this man.
He is very much his own man and we are back a year.
It should have been someone who genuinely wanted to do it eith these players. It should have happened a week after they sacked thorn too quickly
However they said they wanted someone who would take this lot including staff and go for the play offs.
He was not this man.
He is very much his own man and we are back a year.
It should have been someone who genuinely wanted to do it eith these players. It should have happened a week after they sacked thorn too quickly
For all those who are saying Robins is doing a good/great job, consider the following:
First 8 league games for Robins :
W-3 D-2 L-3
Removing McGoldrick's goals (which will be the case post Jan):
W-1 D-1 L-6
In Other words without DM's goals, cov would have got just 4 points from 8 league games!
DM is making it appear that Robins has turned around the team.
The platitudes Robins has been receiving are due almost entirely to the form of DM.
Still think Robins is doing a good job?
First 8 league games for Robins :
W-3 D-2 L-3
Removing McGoldrick's goals (which will be the case post Jan):
W-1 D-1 L-6
In Other words without DM's goals, cov would have got just 4 points from 8 league games!
DM is making it appear that Robins has turned around the team.
The platitudes Robins has been receiving are due almost entirely to the form of DM.
Still think Robins is doing a good job?