Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (37 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

German regulators reckon Oxford vaccine only 8% efficacy in the over 65s. If true a complete and utter disaster.

glad my mum had the biontech

 

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[David O'Day]

German regulators reckon Oxford vaccine only 8% efficacy in the over 65s. If true a complete and utter disaster.

AZ deny but offer no evidence

 

[David O'Day]

EU threatens to block Covid vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca shortfall

Bloc may receive only half of purchased 100m doses in first quarter of the year

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brylowes]

German regulators reckon Oxford vaccine only 8% efficacy in the over 65s. If true a complete and utter disaster.

I’ve had an uneasy feeling for months now that there seems to be a certain inevitability about the whole situation that things aren’t destined to end well.

 

[Philosorapter]

I see Chris Grayling has taken on the hedgehogs cause of increasing their numbers within the UK.

This should be more than just a warning to put them on the endangered species list now that Grayling is involved.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I really shouldn't read this thread first thing...

 

[Macca]

It feels like the confidence level around vaccines is pretty low given the draconian measures around travel being considered and the nervousness of giving any kind of indication on when things may improve. A big shift on mood from the beginning of the year

 

[CCFCSteve]

German regulators reckon Oxford vaccine only 8% efficacy in the over 65s. If true a complete and utter disaster.

Interesting overview of what’s been happening (and potentially why)

POLITICO London Playbook: AZ vs. EU — What’s 8 percent in German? — Jabba the cut

What's driving the day in Westminster. Politics and policymaking in the UK capital.

www.google.co.uk

Let’s hope AZ and MHRA are correct. This is following on from the Guardians article from an Israel source (which Whitty tore apart) about Pfizer’s efficacy only being 33% after one jab

The anti vaxers will be lapping this up either way

 

[Macca]

Furnished holiday home. I can dm the website if you are interested. In cornwall

could you send to me as well please Pete?

 

[clint van damme]

glad my mum had the biontech

There are some great numbers coming out of Israel and just googled which vaccine(s) they're using and it's Pfizer.
Hopefully we start seeing similar results with the Oxford one.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

German regulators reckon Oxford vaccine only 8% efficacy in the over 65s. If true a complete and utter disaster.

Got a link to their data?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Got a link to their data?

unverified at the moment, just reports I think

seems strange at a time the EU is threatening to block exports of AZ vaccine and even potentially take legal action against AZ for planned reductions of supply

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

unverified at the moment, just reports I think

seems strange at a time the EU is threatening to block exports of AZ vaccine and even potentially take legal action against AZ for planned reductions of supply

Found a link to responses from the Oxford side

expert reaction to reports from Germany that the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine has 8% efficacy in over 65s | Science Media Centre

Seems it stems from giving the Phase 3 trials to those who were also shielding hence perhaps inflating the efficacy? Antibody testing on the other hand was not affected in either group.

 

[clint van damme]

It's sounds like the initial source was an anonymous leak to a newspaper so I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[Skybluefaz]

It's sounds like the initial source was an anonymous leak to a newspaper so I wouldn't read too much into it.

Fucking hope so, would feel like a massive kick in the bollocks.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pretty sure the flu vaccine efficacy each year is between 20 and 50% and that’s seen as effective

Flu vaccine

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk

Not as bad as I thought

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pretty sure the flu vaccine efficacy each year is between 20 and 50% and that’s seen as effective

Flu vaccine

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk

Not as bad as I thought

At the end of the day it’s all about preventing serious illness rather than infection. That’s the data we ultimately have the most interest in

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

At the end of the day it’s all about preventing serious illness rather than infection. That’s the data we ultimately have the most interest in

Yep agreed

 

[Macca]

I mean quite frankly for the sake of a
quick jab I’d take it at 20%

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just been reading about other countries and schooling.
Use of public buildings to increase space
Also thinking about Labour manifesto to give free broadband to all households looking quite forward thinking

 

[hill83]

Interesting overview of what’s been happening (and potentially why)

POLITICO London Playbook: AZ vs. EU — What’s 8 percent in German? — Jabba the cut

What's driving the day in Westminster. Politics and policymaking in the UK capital.

www.google.co.uk

Let’s hope AZ and MHRA are correct. This is following on from the Guardians article from an Israel source (which Whitty tore apart) about Pfizer’s efficacy only being 33% after one jab

The anti vaxers will be lapping this up either way

I'm going to go with this for now:

“No idea where their number comes from. I know 8 percent is the percentage of people over 65 in the study, but not the efficacy. Not sure if the reporter got mixed up. MHRA would not approve a vaccine with 8 percent efficacy.”

Plus I don't know anything about German newspapers and which ones talk bollocks and which ones don't.

 

[clint van damme]

At the end of the day it’s all about preventing serious illness rather than infection. That’s the data we ultimately have the most interest in

Would you say the drop in cases in post vaccine over 65s in Israel suggests the jab does decrease infection rates?

 

[clint van damme]

I'm going to go with this for now:

“No idea where their number comes from. I know 8 percent is the percentage of people over 65 in the study, but not the efficacy. Not sure if the reporter got mixed up. MHRA would not approve a vaccine with 8 percent efficacy.”

Plus I don't know anything about German newspapers and which ones talk bollocks and which ones don't.

German media rates about 5he same as ours on the cuntometer

 

[hill83]

German media rates about 5he same as ours on the cuntometer

That's it settled then.

As you were everyone.

 

[clint van damme]

Just been reading about other countries and schooling.
Use of public buildings to increase space
Also thinking about Labour manifesto to give free broadband to all households looking quite forward thinking

Bloody communist.
My mates daughter was back here at Christmas, she teaches in Dubai.
She said remote learning is the norm now and running smoothly though all the neccessary resources are available and there's a big culture of stay at home mum's and nannies so schools arent needed as defacto baby sitters.
Two of the big obstacles here

 

[hill83]

I find it mental that one bellend in a paper can cause things like this (still don't know if it's true).
And then our lot over here claiming "Germany" have made the claim. No, a newspaper, in Germany, has made the claim.

And using buzzwords like "War" etc. Cunts all round.

 

[shmmeee]

Handsleblat and Bild are both fairly serious papers from what I understand.

 

[hill83]

Handsleblat and Bild are both fairly serious papers from what I understand.

Everyone back in

 

[shmmeee]

Everyone back in

I mean I don’t know, and I’m always sus of one anonymous source. But I got the impression they were both more like the Times than the Sun. that said, these days the Times is like the Sun.

 

[clint van damme]

Handsleblat and Bild are both fairly serious papers from what I understand.

Bild is basically the Sun.

 

[hill83]

I mean I don’t know, and I’m always sus of one anonymous source. But I got the impression they were both more like the Times than the Sun. that said, these days the Times is like the Sun.

Everyone back out

 

[CCFCSteve]

I find it mental that one bellend in a paper can cause things like this (still don't know if it's true).
And then our lot over here claiming "Germany" have made the claim. No, a newspaper, in Germany, has made the claim.

And using buzzwords like "War" etc. Cunts all round.

Bigger current issue, for time being at least anyway (diplomatic and vaccine related) is DODs article above about EU threatening to block vaccine supplies to other countries

 

[David O'Day]

Basically if the Pfizer vaccine is only at 33% after 1 dose it would be workable but the main issue is the messaging makes people think 1 dose and they are safe.

That could bite us on the arse.

Also the government does need to publish the science behind the 3 month gap as it goes against what the makers say and it seems to be based on a figure taken from trials after the 2nd dose was given.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Would you say the drop in cases in post vaccine over 65s in Israel suggests the jab does decrease infection rates?

The Pfizer data shows lower case rates and hospitalisation but not necessarily reduced transmission. Though intuitively there should be at least some effect

 

[CCFCSteve]

Basically if the Pfizer vaccine is only at 33% after 1 dose it would be workable but the main issue is the messaging makes people think 1 dose and they are safe.

That could bite us on the arse.

Also the government does need to publish the science behind the 3 month gap as it goes against what the makers say and it seems to be based on a figure taken from trials after the 2nd dose was given.

Whitty rubbished that report in the guardian/Israel report about Pfizer (hope he’s right !)

edit -https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/chris-whitty-s-fury-at-guardian-s-total-nonsense-pfizer-claim/ar-BB1d2a0K?ocid=ob-fb-engb-667