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LastGarrison
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You started drinking early?
ccfcway
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Yer, after the 4-1 charlton game. am gonna stop when the good times come along
TasmanSeaSkyBlue
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Cheers then - a man should have a hobby!
covcity4life
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lets get behind the rod
he scores in friendles,scored in league cup and then got about 7 mins playtime for the whole year
seems odd to condemn him as crap when he hasnt had a chance at cov.
he scores in friendles,scored in league cup and then got about 7 mins playtime for the whole year
seems odd to condemn him as crap when he hasnt had a chance at cov.
covcity4life
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i dnt remmeber him playing much thus missed chances dont come to mind much
and any striker will struggle if not given regular games
5 min cameos every 2-3 months will not help him,with an increased role this year i can see him possibly winning over some fans.
and any striker will struggle if not given regular games
5 min cameos every 2-3 months will not help him,with an increased role this year i can see him possibly winning over some fans.
SkyBlueJohnso
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i hope you're right, and i hope the fans will at least give him a few games to get match fit before they start criticising !!!
covcity4life
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me too mate but we are cov fans and english so i doubt it
first backward pass of season and the boo's come out!
watch spain and realise controlling possession is the future,wait patiently for goal scoring chances!
Diehard Si
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Spain play to tire opposition with ball retention, to pass 360 degress, constantly moving, looking for space, looking for gaps..
City pass it sideways out of fear for how terrible we are at penetrating the final third.
covcity4life
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agreed but our fans dont help when the ball goes back to keeper,if we were not so impatient maybe the team would relax in final third?
maybe not though,i understand your point 100%
maybe not though,i understand your point 100%
SkyBlue_Bear83
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He has made 25 appearances for Hibernian and Coventry last season and scored 1 league goal. Only 11 of them were starts.
I could take the lack of goals if he offered other qualities to the team but from what I have seen he does not.
I agree we should get him behind him and support him, still crap though.
covcity4life
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lol
11 starts is key factor,how many of them for cov? im not saying hes gonna score 20..but even double figures can help us.
11 starts is key factor,how many of them for cov? im not saying hes gonna score 20..but even double figures can help us.
stupot07
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I agree with with you in that point and it takes time to implement and imbed new systems. It was interesting Alvin Martin was talking about Spanish clubs all playing the same way but obviously in varying degrees dependent on quality, but the fundamentals are the same - pass and move. German terms all play the same brand of football as do the Italian teams. However in England you have a huge mixture of football philosophy - some pass, some long ball, some defend deep and counter, some play percentages and play for set pieces. Now for me this is one of the reasons we struggle, we've chopped and changed managers all have had a different philosophy on how the game should be played, the being in players to suit their system, then get sacked. The new manger then has a different philosophy on how he wants to play, changing the style but with players who aren't that compatible, slowly replacing them before getting the sack. So in a way AT wants to play football, but doesn't necessarily have the players to do it, people blame him because he scouted them but they were brought in to fit in with the then managers style of football. To cut to the chase we need a long term football charter/philosophy and employ managers that fit that philosophy like Swansea did (martinez, Sousa, rodgers) and players that fit the system (Leon Britton struggled at Sheff Utd in the championship but thrived when he went back to Swansea). These thing take time to implement and imbed....we at Ccfc aren't orient enough to wait.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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6 starts, he still played over a 1000 minutes of football last season and only scored 1 league goal
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
it takes more qualities than being able to pass the ball around though in Spain's national team or top teams. They are comfortable on the ball for starters, not afraid to pass to someone who is marked knowing they will control the ball, they love to have the ball don't look to lump it up field blindly, they use the whole of the the pitch, they can play an accurate one touch pass, the work rate is phenomenal, They are sharp and progressive, they work well and cleverly for each other and they have pace physically and mentally...... and thats just some of it. Not many teams in England have that or many players that can do it ........ no manager or fans patience is going to change that it is much more fundamental
Other countries..... Germany, France, Portugal buy into it ,...... we talk about it and come up with unstructured poorly supported and funded schemes that change every couple of years, that the academies frankly seem to ignore and go their own way
Other countries..... Germany, France, Portugal buy into it ,...... we talk about it and come up with unstructured poorly supported and funded schemes that change every couple of years, that the academies frankly seem to ignore and go their own way
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stupot07
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Doesn't have to be Spanish style football though OSB, its about getting some kind of continuity and long term vision. Like I said every new manager we seem to employ completely changes the way we play.
And passing football can be done - Swansea did it in league one, championship and PL.
And passing football can be done - Swansea did it in league one, championship and PL.
covcity4life
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great points stupot,OSB
i agree with both of you,considering we have stuck with thorn through a relegation maybe he is the manager we will build long term under now?
i still remember thorns first stint,was some great footy,maybe we can still salvage this club with his formation/philospohy?
i agree with both of you,considering we have stuck with thorn through a relegation maybe he is the manager we will build long term under now?
i still remember thorns first stint,was some great footy,maybe we can still salvage this club with his formation/philospohy?
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I agree it doesnt have to be Spanish style ....... but those are elements of successful teams, all have more than passing, and the passing they do is with a positive purpose and so is successful. I think that the bad side of a passing for passing sake game was illustrated by Spain vs Portugal a sterile and awful game ( but they both passed the ball more than England would have done) but it lacked any real attacking purpose. There are good examples of passing teams but they all have a depth of basic skill for each of the players involved that generally English players are not coached in...... makes it even harder for managers if the basic building blocks are not there
But i take your point totally there is no continuity...... and a lot of Swansea's success is built on a number of managers using the same ethos - it hasnt happened over night or because of one person
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Nonleagueherewecome
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I know what you mean, but, fastest player at the club? Maybe 2nd after Cyrus, but he isn't too quick when on crutches.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Unfortunately I do not think the reason we have stuck with AT is the continuity or longevity..... as much as that is a right way to go with the right man(not saying AT is or isnt) i dont think that was why the decision to keep him was taken CC4L
Yes the first ten games worked to a degree, particularly as we stayed up because of it ...... but i have to say some of what I saw last season detracts greatly from that. Right now i give AT a clean slate, look forward and wait to see what sort of squad he can pull together. The young lads will work hard because they are hungry to succeed ( thats the easy bit) but can he motivate and galavanise the more experienced players because that was a big failure last season. Can he get the team playing a progressive passing game or will it be more passing around our own box, and can he get some pace in the side physically and mentally then play a system that encourages it and uses it properly. Only time will tell
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Nonleagueherewecome
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Agree with the points made, but I'd still argue that even Man U, Chelsea and Spurs play a refined version of "long ball" when compared to the rest of Continental Europe. The only top flight sides we have that pass it as much as a European side are Swansea, Arsenal and maybe Wigan-and they do it at a quicker, English tempo.
covcity4life
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find out next week in the soap opera that is CCFC! same time same place!
Grendel
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So thorns our Brendan Rogers or Roberto Martinez. Unbelievable!
Dan Griffin
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I'm a fan of rod! Dont remember seeing him in the league! Plenty of chances against the saints! Would have scored if confident!
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Yea we just don't have the quality in the final third to break the opposition down. Hopefully players like Baker, Mcsheffrey and Mcdonald can do it in league 1.
covcity4life
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well im not his biggest fan,my point is perhaps we have been forced into some stability due to no cash to fire managers anymore