Sky Blue Pete
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Yep as if it’s a given rather than a consequence of mistakes that we don’t have to make
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SkyBlueDom26
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No reason there will be a spike if people follow the guidelines and rules mate? It’s not like everything is opening straight away, things are being opened slowly and safely
NorthernWisdom
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And as you say, it's more destructive if we get it wrong. I don't want to come out, only to have to go back in again!
clint van damme
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skybluetony176
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Here you go Don listen to the opinion of someone who matters ie not that cretinous Boris lad
Ian1779
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But we do not have a plan. All we have is a series of knee jerk reactions from the government as they feel pressure from ‘interested parties’
The last 2 weeks have been a disorganised shambles - even you are acknowledging it with the schools, the track and trace and then Cummings.
SkyBlueDom26
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SkyBlueDom26
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Yes schools shouldn’t be opened till September now I don’t think it’s worth the risk.....also we should have had track and trace months ago up and ready
Ian1779
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The fact is he shouldn’t have to say it - he needs to because too many people are fucking morons.
This is when leadership has to model this and take the lead.
Sumo the Micky Quinn
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Spain went into its lockdown 1 week before the UK. Unlike the UK being rules only, not enforceable by the police (my wife's uncle is in the police force in Bedfordshire) Spains rules were set in Law.
We were only permitted out to go to the shop for FOOD at our nearest store, also we could go to the pharmacy and medical appointments. That was it. If we went out in the car only the driver was permitted to travel except if taking a member of the family, from the same household, to a medical appointment, even then they had to sit on the back seat. My son needed a permit to drive to work.
Madrid and Barcelona are still in full lockdown now as they have not met the criteria to come out of lockdown. Alot of Spanish live in apartments with no private outdoor space so are pretty much locked indoors.
5 weeks ago we were finally allowed out to exercise, different age groups given different times of the day. Businesses were only allowed to reopen 3 weeks ago, mainly by appointment only.
Bearing this in mind the Canary Islands are made up of 14 islands, 7 larger with 10,000+ inhabitants.
El Hierro (pop 10,968) had 3 cases, 0 deaths
La Gomera (pop 21, 503) had 8 cases, 0 deaths
Fuerteventura (pop 116,886) had 45 cases no deaths
Still had to go under full lockdown.
The other islands.
Lanzarote (pop 152,289) 84 cases, 6 deaths.
La Palma (82,671) 95 cases, 6 deaths.
Gran Canaria (851,231) 575 cases, 38 deaths.
Tenerife (917,841) 1,470 cases, 106 deaths.
And yet the uk is now about 5 weeks behind Spain.
Whilst we were in full lockdown I wished we could go out to the likes of 'B&Q' to get some jobs done, but we couldn't.
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Sky Blue Pete
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We have a self serving model
Sumo the Micky Quinn
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Surely you wanted everything back to normal now, how do some parents work if their kids are not back in school?
By the way Spains schools not likely to reopen until mid June, summer holidays start around June 20th in Spain, they normally go back around 10th September.
chiefdave
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You might want to do some research into Sikora before you quote him.
For a start his area of work is cancer. He's employed by AstraZeneca, the company who have been signed up to manufacture and distribute the Oxford vaccine. Past that he's made some very dubious claims, Imperial College had to take legal action as he repeatedly, falsely, claimed he was a professor of cancer medicine there.
He's also a bit of a right wing nut. Campaigned for the republicans against Obamacare and is anti-NHS describing it as communist.
Why I quit working on Boris Johnson's ‘world-beating' test-and-tracing system | Anonymous
This is accurate as have family signed up to work on this
This is accurate as have family signed up to work on this
Dom , you should have been watching Sky yesterday afternoon .
They had a female reporter out at some park .
She'd been asking poeple what they would do now things are being relaxed .
It sounded like 'Party On ' in her words .
NorthernWisdom
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That reads very much like the census training FWIW. Capita?
chiefdave
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I'm definitely more confident in Johnsons promised world beating track and trace system having read that.
What a shambles. Is there any other job in which you can so consistently be completely incompetent with no consequences?
Think it's Serco.
David O'Day
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Why are you posting that crank who is a cancer doctor not a virologist and has been discredited as a crank
He's not an expert and he has a dodgy history
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David O'Day
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The link to the unable to log in screen was a link to a sitel page.
They are just as bad.
But I think it maybe multiple companies
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chiefdave
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Two more members of SAGE to add to the 'its too early' list.
As well as John Edmunds OBE (Dean of the Faculty of Epidemiology and Population Health and Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) and Sir Jeremy Farrar OBE (director of the Wellcome Trust and previously Professor of Tropical Medicine at the University of Oxford) we can now add Calum Semple (Professor of Child Health and Outbreak Medicine at the University of Liverpool and a consultant respiratory paediatrician at Alder Hey) and Peter Horby (Professor of Emerging Infectious Diseases and Global Health at the University of Oxford, former, and founding, Director of the Oxford University Clinical Research Unit in Hanoi and founder of the epidemic disease Research Group Oxford).
Still, I'm sure Johnson and Cummings know best.
Has anyone else noticed that not a single scientific advisor on SAGE has come out and said this is what they advised the government to do?
As well as John Edmunds OBE (Dean of the Faculty of Epidemiology and Population Health and Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) and Sir Jeremy Farrar OBE (director of the Wellcome Trust and previously Professor of Tropical Medicine at the University of Oxford) we can now add Calum Semple (Professor of Child Health and Outbreak Medicine at the University of Liverpool and a consultant respiratory paediatrician at Alder Hey) and Peter Horby (Professor of Emerging Infectious Diseases and Global Health at the University of Oxford, former, and founding, Director of the Oxford University Clinical Research Unit in Hanoi and founder of the epidemic disease Research Group Oxford).
Still, I'm sure Johnson and Cummings know best.
Has anyone else noticed that not a single scientific advisor on SAGE has come out and said this is what they advised the government to do?
robbiekeane
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Genuine question, saw this on the BBC:
They show one Sage meeting on 23 April estimated there would be only 1,000 cases per day by mid-May.
Instead, estimates by the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.
y the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.
Anyway in worldometer the daily new cases is averaging 1500-2000 ish. What am I missing, are they different measures?
They show one Sage meeting on 23 April estimated there would be only 1,000 cases per day by mid-May.
Instead, estimates by the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.
y the Office for National Statistics suggest there are currently 8,000 cases per day in England alone. Those figures do not include cases in care homes or hospitals.
Anyway in worldometer the daily new cases is averaging 1500-2000 ish. What am I missing, are they different measures?
fernandopartridge
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Yes, it is published fact that we had cases in early Feb. That plane load of people were quarantined on 30 Jan
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fernandopartridge
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We do not and never have had a hard lockdown. What a bunch of entitled cunts we are in this country
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chiefdave
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ONS is an estimate based on the available data, as we don't have enough testing to have a 'true' number. Maybe the worldometer number is the number of confirmed cases (as in those who have a negative test).
Marty
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Given we've still got high incidents of the virus and our renowned behaviour abroad we'd pose a massive risk of taking the virus there and pushing them into a second wave and another costly lockdown. Better to lose our money and stay open IMO.
Sumo the Micky Quinn
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I dont know if you can open this link.
But it shows what power the police have over here. A passenger boarded a bus in Gran Canaria without wearing a mask, the driver asked him to wear a mask or get off (it is now law in spain to wear a mask in public place since last Wednesday but on public transport (inc. Taxis) it has been law since March).
The police will have asked the passenger to get off before forcefully removing him.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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How do you know they're being opened safely? It is cos the govt told you so? Because they've not made any mistakes or told any lies recently.....
David O'Day
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Absolutely no social distancing all over the country.
Ffs people
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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chiefdave
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Neighbours on both sides of me had mates round last night for a bbq. To be fair one side has ignored lockdown the whole way through and had family round constantly but its friends as well now.
Tried taking the dog out earlier and everywhere was rammed. Gave up and came home in the end and walked him round the local roads but even doing that there's noticeably more people about and nobody making any effort to maintain distancing like there were a few weeks ago.
skybluetony176
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Jesus Christ the excellent Dan Hodges has resulted to Grendullism. He’s making a bit of a prat of himself now in his sickly defence of numb nuts
“Say I was in Peru. And a giraffe came charging down the street. And then a man in a clown costume tried to drag me out of the way. But Dom Cummings shot him with a tranquilliser dart. How would that sit with me.”
“Say I was in Peru. And a giraffe came charging down the street. And then a man in a clown costume tried to drag me out of the way. But Dom Cummings shot him with a tranquilliser dart. How would that sit with me.”
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David O'Day
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