england seriously wtf?? (1 Viewer)
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JulianDarbyFTW
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I think he's testing out tactics and shape rather than trying to win this particular game. It's not a 'meaningless friendly' to Woy, as he only has two friendlies to try things out.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don't see anything that wrong with it-it's an efficient performance and in all we've looked composed and in control. That's the way Hodgson teams usually play and it'll suit us well in tournament football.
JulianDarbyFTW
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Yes. So now you see why we need to practice.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Harry Redknap? Don't make me laugh
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Really? Seemed like the same dross to me tbh. Anyway I wouldn't read too much into tonight the real test will come against the better sides starting with France. Beat them, put in a good performance and we could well be on our way to a good tournament.
We may have to do a Di Matteo job on the better teams though and will need a huge slice of luck to progress far.
Paxman II
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The German's lost by 5 to the Swiss.....the Dutch lost, are we so bad? Think we look too deep at ourselves and should be criticising the opposition who may not be as good as you think? Remember Barcelona and Chelsea everyone...no one is as good as we all seem to think they are.
You have to get your expectations right and so avoid disappointment. We are a second rate international side with "stars" that for the most part would be on the fringes or not even in a top nations side. Problem is the masses fall for it every 2 years. I d say a semi final appearance would be a good effort
Otis
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Yes we did, but this is what England do.
They put these sorts of performances in against these sorts of sides, win but don't impress, sit back, hang on to their leads and fail to inspire and then lo and behold, when it comes to tournaments they play exactly the same way against much better sides and fail to impress, sit back, don't hang on to leads and get knocked out of the tournaments.
The point is, yes it was good to get a win last night but we should have been more convincing. We play like this against the slightly lesser sides and get away with it, but then when come up against the better sides play exactly the same way.
You would hope that these sorts of wins would be confidence boosters and build-ups to bigger games ........ never proves to be the case though.
We go to tournaments, play 3 group matches and usually impress in no more than one game and quite often in none at all.
We want to feel inspired and there last night was a side for the taking and as the match wore on we got worse and worse and worse.
I was not at all impressed with anything last night other than the first 10 mins. Play like that in the Euro's which at least half of me thinks we will and we will get knocked out at the first round.
Sky Blue Kid
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He said he wanted to play against the better teams(Norway):laugh:....Hodgsons' words, not mine, Barcelona's club team would have battered us last night. Until we start restricting foreign players in British football, it will not allow decent British footballers to blossom.
Look at GB Ice Hockey team, half of them are Canadian, with a few Eastern Europeans, and a smattering of British.
To put it in a nutshell, the English team are not very good!:facepalm:
Look at GB Ice Hockey team, half of them are Canadian, with a few Eastern Europeans, and a smattering of British.
To put it in a nutshell, the English team are not very good!:facepalm:
CCFC Germany
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Germany traditionally get battered before big tournaments, but look how they do then.
Lost 5-0 against Italy before 2010 WC and made it to the semis...
Who cares about friendlies anyway ?
Sky Blue Kid
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Is this post in reply to mine?
If so, I agree he's only just got the job, but remember, Hodgson is a manager of many, many years standing. He should be able to "Hit the ground running" and at the very least, pick a team that was able to compete. £35m for a forward, who should have "Buried that header" is preposterous.....25 years ago(1987...Houchen) need I say more.
I stick by what I've said, Foreign players are choking the British game, and unless this is severely restricted, England will be a second rate team for years to come
LeamingtonBootBoy
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When are people going to realise that we are not a world footballing superpower....in fact, we're not even a European superpower.
Wales should have drawn at Wembley, and I wager that we don't beat the Irish if we meet them in the knock-out stages of this tournament.
Therefore, take the win and celebrate....6 of those in June and on 1 July will do me...FFS!
Wales should have drawn at Wembley, and I wager that we don't beat the Irish if we meet them in the knock-out stages of this tournament.
Therefore, take the win and celebrate....6 of those in June and on 1 July will do me...FFS!
Sky Blue Kid
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That is true, he has to go with the schedule he's been given. My point was...Hodgson classes Norway as "One of the better teams"
If you recorded the game and pre-match interviews, you will actually hear him say it!
LeamingtonBootBoy
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They're ranked 25 in the world so they are no mugs.....missed out on qualification by 3 points, and only a point behind the Portugeezers. Yes, they're a bag of shit....:facepalm:
Marty
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Sven played the exact same way, yet everyone bangs on about how great his record is, the football was utter dire under his tenure. This was Roy's first game in charge, playing people who aren't expected to start in the Euro's, give the man a break, it was one game against a fairly decent side, judge him at the end of the 2014 world cup.
Brighton Sky Blue
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People slate Sven and forget his record:
2002 WC: Quarter Finals, lost 2-1 to Brazil
Euro 2004: Quarter Finals, lost on pens to Portugal
2006 WC: Quarter Finals, lost on pens to Portugal
After that, McClaren couldn't qualify for Euro 2008 and under Capello we left at the 2nd round in South Africa. How people criticise Sven's record is beyond me.
2002 WC: Quarter Finals, lost 2-1 to Brazil
Euro 2004: Quarter Finals, lost on pens to Portugal
2006 WC: Quarter Finals, lost on pens to Portugal
After that, McClaren couldn't qualify for Euro 2008 and under Capello we left at the 2nd round in South Africa. How people criticise Sven's record is beyond me.
Sky Blue Kid
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So by FIFA reckoning, there are 24 teams better than them?
That says to me they are NOT one of the better teams:facepalm:....No mugs, but not one of the better teams.
I would definately class Wales as a better team than rankings suggest, but then isn't it all boiling down to opinion?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Disagree with you entirely there SBK. I actually think it's good having a high number of foreigners in the domestic system as it benefits our own players two fold from having more players to compete with to get to the highest level, and to come up against different footballing philosophies in the process. I also think we'd benefit if more British players went to ply their trade overseas and got schooled better in how other continental sides play their football, rather than a few games a year in the Champions League.
Marty
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It's not his record, it's his style of play, he was in charge of the 'Golden generation', likes of Beckham, Scholes, Owen, Ferdinand in their prime with the likes of Gerrard, Cole, Lampard all coming into their prime. His style didn't suit the players and it was boring to watch. His over reliance on Beckham & Owen was embarrassing. That team we had at that time should have done so much more.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Losing to Brazil then twice on penalties in the manner we did shows he wasn't far away from delivering. Ronaldinho's freak goal in Japan, Portuguese cheating in 2004 and Rooney's red mist in 2006; I'd also add that Keegan fared a lot worse with similar talents at his disposal.
Sky Blue Kid
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And I totally disagree with you BSB
Because of the influx of foreign players, British players are overlooked for selection. Why??? Foreign players are paid disgustingly obscene wages to come to Britain. If you were paying massive wages to these foreigners, you would expect them to play as much as is humanly possible wouldn't you?
They are either already playing for their Country, or have just finished playing but are still exceptional players and are (Ready made) with nothing to prove...see where I'm coming from?
Man City, have paid massive wages to players that can't even get into their RESERVE team, as have Chelsea. So if these "Big name" players can't get games... What chance an unknown Brit!
Brighton Sky Blue
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If they get overlooked it's probably because they're not as good. Our own players get the same stupid wages that foreign players do, and the transfer fees are even higher if a decent player happens to be English (see what Arsenal forked out for Oxlade Chamberlain). PL clubs are constantly signing young overseas players too, or if not young, players on the up; you also fail to address my other point-do you not think we would benefit if more English players went to play in the likes of the Bundesliga and La Liga?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Venables had the benefit of not needing to qualify and having the tournament on home soil-and left straight afterwards. He was fine margins away from delivering finishes that most of us would've been pretty happy with, and, especially in the latter 2 tournaments, both were won by teams who played efficient rather than exciting football. Spain won in 2010 despite having scored the fewest goals of all the WC winners-does that make their brand of football negative and dire as well?
Otis
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His record does look good on paper, but with the players he had at his disposal we should have done so much better.
And if you recall, Sven did say we would win the World Cup under him. In that circumstance he failed.
Marty
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It has nothing to do with goals scored, and everything to do with scoring one then sitting back for 75 minutes. That is negative football, we didn't even want to go for the second or third, even against the minnows of world football we'd do the same, We were so much better then that. I'd quite happily watch us win 1-0 every game going for it and trying to score more, then to just go 1-0 up and defend the rest of the game.
Sky Blue Kid
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It is nothing to do with being "Not good enough" It comes down to PL English teams:laugh::laugh::laugh: (All top teams owned by foreigners) Wanting success...YESTERDAY!!!..Therefore they BUY success. The knock on effect being young British talent is overlooked for "Already Established" foreign talent...How many British players actually play first team football for the top 6 sides???
Not many!! finally Why should British players play abroad when the "Best stage in the World is right here in Britain" Given the right training, and actually given the CHANCE to play in the first teams, would see British Talent come to the forefront of World football.
We beat the best of the World talent in 66, WITHOUT the help of "Joe Foreigner"...We can do it again.Brighton Sky Blue
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Look at the players most England managers had at their disposal-all were good enough to achieve better than what they actually managed in the end. Capello should've done better than Round 2, McClaren should've qualified, Keegan should've got beyond the group stage, Hoddle beyond round 2, Taylor should've qualified etc. Few England teams have actually at least met expectations (Euro 96 and Italy 90 stand-out, and we were hardly convincing in the latter)-my point is that under Sven games were decided by super fine margins that could easily have gone the other way. Under McClaren, and at the WC under Capello, we were just rank poor.
