Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (20 Viewers)

[Terry Gibson's perm]

do you know where he is? I though he was delaying his paternity leave?

I would imagine he is prowling around the Houses of Parliament looking for his next victim as he must be bored with this woman now he has been with her for at least 9 months or maybe the useless fucker is looking for my missing results

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

just ridiculous. Must have been large numbers in March coming back from the likes of Spain, France and Italy. Even with traffic down 99% mother;s friend wasn't checked here.
Here everybody managing to get in in the last 6 or so weeks has compulsory 14 day self-quarantine. Big red sticker on the front door and police are by to check regularly. Huge fines if you're not there and 2 or 3 times then you're off to jail. And we have a lot more border points etc than the UK.

You live in Hungary right? I'm supposed to be going to Budapest on 12th June. Do you think there is any chance?

As for your points, I totally agree. I have been observing flight radar regularly and we have flights coming in from all sorts of places every day without checking the passengers.

It makes lockdown entirely pointless.

 

[Grendel]

I can never get used to red and blue meaning the opposite in the states.
Looking at that a lot of the big Trump lead states were last polled before lockdown. Will be interesting to see how they change if at all.

Florida is a key one. If he continues to record badly there and the other bigger swing states he’s got a problem - no big rallies will hamper him and this virus will still be big headlines by then I’d have thought. Second lockdown and delayed election being strategised probably

 

[NorthernWisdom]

As much as I think the lockdown could end up ruining the country in the long run if it’s here too long, having an extra 3 weeks could be the difference between never having to lockdown again or bringing the measures back in as the numbers start rising.... the only thing is it’s so unpredictable because Germany have lifted lots and they are getting better and better in terms of the numbers going down, it’s a tough one

I fear we're heading for lifting. Personally I tend to go for the act in haste... approach, and I'd be a lot happier with another three weeks, as it'd allow us to see how other places were coping - bear in mind there's a lag in getting the data.

Not only that, but some places are easing off from a stricter base. Pipkin's being allowed out on a walk, but we've never been stopped from doing that.

A clear strategy would, IMHO, articulate that we're giving it three weeks as-is, and here are the plans afterwards... *as long as the data follows the path as predicted*. If it doesn't, lockdown will be extended. Persuade people it's in their interests to follow the rules for just a bit longer, as it's better for them in the long run.

 

[David O'Day]

RealClearPolitics is the one I use. Biden’s sexual assault allegations not going away but think he’ll get away with it

His leads in battleground states are large and holding

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I fear we're heading for lifting. Personally I tend to go for the act in haste... approach, and I'd be a lot happier with another three weeks, as it'd allow us to see how other places were coping - bear in mind there's a lag in getting the data.

Not only that, but some places are easing off from a stricter base. Pipkin's being allowed out on a walk, but we've never been stopped from doing that.

A clear strategy would, IMHO, articulate that we're giving it three weeks as-is, and here are the plans afterwards... *as long as the data follows the path as predicted*. If it doesn't, lockdown will be extended. Persuade people it's in their interests to follow the rules for just a bit longer, as it's better for them in the long run.

We did something half baked and people are getting bored so the government is caving

 

[NorthernWisdom]

We did something half baked and people are getting bored so the government is caving

But surveys still suggest the majority are wary about relaxing lockdown too soon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

His leads in battleground states are large and holding

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Incredible if a dementia patient who hides away gets in but they’re both awful candidates

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But surveys still suggest the majority are wary about relaxing lockdown too soon.

I’m talking about the minority causing disruption

 

[David O'Day]

If the furlough scheme is to be wound down in july they'd best get reopening the economy including the hospitality sectot

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[fernandopartridge]

I think this is the single reason why we are having so many issues.

Why on earth are we in lockdown when we have flights coming in from around the world without anyone being checked? It's an absolute joke.

I've been on flight radar 24 a lot and there are flights coming in from the USA, Italy and China every day.

I saw a headline somewhere briefly that suggested that the seeding of the virus here was people returning from Italy and Spain in February.

I have to say, I'm on the Manchester Airport flight path and I've only seen one or two flights in the last few weeks.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I’m talking about the minority causing disruption

That's the government's responsibility to enforce - they don't do it very well atm.

As a linked aside, cars parked for Coombe Abbey just after the end of the cones - blocking the footpath so people certainly wouldn't be able to pass each other, and in the road enough that the van in front of me had to stop to wait for cars coming in the opposite direction.

Now I hope somebody drives into them all while they're parked there!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I saw a headline somewhere briefly that suggested that the seeding of the virus here was people returning from Italy and Spain in February.

I have to say, I'm on the Manchester Airport flight path and I've only seen one or two flights in the last few weeks.

That wouldn't surprise me totally but in reality pandora's box was open when we left our borders open too long. I suppose that includes people returning from Italy etc, but it will also largely be citizens from those countries too.

Have a look on flight radar 24. There are still flights from China coming into Heathrow daily.

Most UK airports have almost no flights but there are still quite a few coming into LHR.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Have a look on flight radar 24. There are still flights from China coming into Heathrow daily.

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

 

[Ian1779]

So what does everybody think will be announced this weekend then in terms of the ‘exit plan’

I think we might get another 3 weeks of what we are in now and the 1st of June is when things will ease off alot

I hope - another 3 weeks of lockdown.

There might then be some kind of gradual return.. not sure which sector you begin in though.

There is talk about schools starting to re-open which is ludicrous IMO. Impossible to socially distance in them and would probably be front and centre in causing another wave and possible further lockdowns. Trouble is you have clowns like Toby Young ‘sharing’ his expertise with the government.... for the sake of our kids and our health this might be the one time teaching unions get a bit more credit when they try and block this.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

Pretty much every single one coming into Heathrow is passenger believe it or not.

Compared to normal there are hardly any but still enough to be concerned if no one is being checked.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Pretty much every single one coming into Heathrow is passenger believe it or not.

Compared to normal there are hardly any but still enough to be concerned if no one is being checked.

I do find it very odd indeed if there's no screening process. Would be ludicrous if the place with most relaxed restrictions is the place with people you know least about!

 

[Ian1779]

Ok heres a left-field far-out crazy prediction for you all.... Trump will use a 2nd wave lockdown to postpone elections if the polling is not in his favour....

Don’t think that’s crazy to be honest. I still think he will win though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hope - another 3 weeks of lockdown.

There might then be some kind of gradual return.. not sure which sector you begin in though.

There is talk about schools starting to re-open which is ludicrous IMO. Impossible to socially distance in them and would probably be front and centre in causing another wave and possible further lockdowns. Trouble is you have clowns like Toby Young ‘sharing’ his expertise with the government.... for the sake of our kids and our health this might be the one time teaching unions get a bit more credit when they try and block this.

I have seen talk of doing both remote and in school teaching which sounds like total insanity

 

[tisza]

You live in Hungary right? I'm supposed to be going to Budapest on 12th June. Do you think there is any chance?

As for your points, I totally agree. I have been observing flight radar regularly and we have flights coming in from all sorts of places every day without checking the passengers.

It makes lockdown entirely pointless.

At the moment no chance as the 14 day self-quarantining is the law. ( just had the police a few doors down checking someone). Also only Hungarians and those EU citizens with residency allowed in atm.
But we'll learn more next week on the easing but they've always said we're 3-4 weeks behind most of Europe. Budapest remains under stricter controls than the rest of the country.
I'll keep you updated if the situation improves.

 

[shmmeee]

Florida is a key one. If he continues to record badly there and the other bigger swing states he’s got a problem - no big rallies will hamper him and this virus will still be big headlines by then I’d have thought. Second lockdown and delayed election being strategised probably

Yeah agreed. He will want to be holding rallies. Not sure how he can balance the “lockdown is overkill FREEDOM!!” Of his supporters with “virus too serious must postpone election”, but logic and reason never been a barrier with his support before.

 

[shmmeee]

Incredible if a dementia patient who hides away gets in but they’re both awful candidates

You’re so salty about Bernie not getting the nomination.

 

[shmmeee]

I hope - another 3 weeks of lockdown.

There might then be some kind of gradual return.. not sure which sector you begin in though.

There is talk about schools starting to re-open which is ludicrous IMO. Impossible to socially distance in them and would probably be front and centre in causing another wave and possible further lockdowns. Trouble is you have clowns like Toby Young ‘sharing’ his expertise with the government.... for the sake of our kids and our health this might be the one time teaching unions get a bit more credit when they try and block this.

Ive only seen talk of Y6 going back in June. I don’t expect full school before September but who knows?

 

[wingy]

Don’t think that’s crazy to be honest. I still think he will win though.

IDK .
Would be incredible to send everyone to work but not hold an election

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You’re so salty about Bernie not getting the nomination.

Yeah I’m not gonna lie. He caved way too easily and it seems his supporters aren’t following him to fall in line this time. Biden said he would veto single payer healthcare even if all he had to do was sign his name-madness

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You live in Hungary right? I'm supposed to be going to Budapest on 12th June. Do you think there is any chance?

As for your points, I totally agree. I have been observing flight radar regularly and we have flights coming in from all sorts of places every day without checking the passengers.

It makes lockdown entirely pointless.

We never made any effort at all to do anything with flights- they were coming in from all the worst hit places for the entire duration with no checks at all, and people were allowed to continue onto London, Birmingham- everywhere. This was of course denied on here by the usual suspects, but its true.

Then people wonder why we are the worst in Europe- it doesn't take a genius does it when you add this to the list of incompetent failures.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

Lots of passenger flights, from all over the place. No controls.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I think this is the single reason why we are having so many issues.

Why on earth are we in lockdown when we have flights coming in from around the world without anyone being checked? It's an absolute joke.

I've been on flight radar 24 a lot and there are flights coming in from the USA, Italy and China every day.

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

The news last night (while covering the Air Lingus story) stated a current daily average of 60 passenger flights into LHR down from 600 in February......YES, that was 600 in february FFS!

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

If you look on the flight tracker it tells you what the flight is

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We never made any effort at all to do anything with flights- they were coming in from all the worst hit places for the entire duration with no checks at all, and people were allowed to continue onto London, Birmingham- everywhere. This was of course denied on here by the usual suspects, but its true.

Then people wonder why we are the worst in Europe- it doesn't take a genius does it when you add this to the list of incompetent failures.

Spot on with everything you say.

It just goes to show having borders is a good thing, even if they are relaxed most of the time. We should have locked the gates months ago and we still haven't even properly done that.

What's the point in extracting people from Wuhan and placing them in isolation after landing at an air base, when you can get a flight from the next city in China and just walk freely around the streets of the UK the next day.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Out of interest, how many of those are passenger flights, as opposed to flights importing goods?

(Genuine question, no motive to ask!)

Typically between 40-50%ish of passenger planes are actually used for transporting freight as well. So although this figure would inevitably be down due to the pandemic, I'd imagine a fair amount of freight will continue to be transported in the underbelly of the passenger flights that are still operating.

Those coming out of China will be mostly freight I presume.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Spot on with everything you say.

It just goes to show having borders is a good thing, even if they are relaxed most of the time. We should have locked the gates months ago and we still haven't even properly done that.

What's the point in extracting people from Wuhan and placing them in isolation after landing at an air base, when you can get a flight from the next city in China and just walk freely around the streets of the UK the next day.

tbh, I'm still sympathetic to the original startup of this. Having decided to go into lockdown however, it's pointless not doing it everywhere, and borders seem entirely logical as a place to check people! There's no excuse for just letting free movement through an airport, when I'm not allowed free movement to the neighbouring town!

 

[shmmeee]

In shielding hospitals from COVID-19, Britain left the weakest exposed

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There are currently 11 aircraft airborne right now which are bound for Heathrow from China alone.

All passenger aircraft carrying between 300-600 passengers.

Those planes will land and the passengers will be free to walk straight into society.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Typically between 40-50%ish of passenger planes are actually used for transporting freight as well. So although this figure would inevitably be down due to the pandemic, I'd imagine a fair amount of freight will continue to be transported in the underbelly of the passenger flights that are still operating.

Those coming out of China will be mostly freight I presume.

Sadly, they are not.

I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.