Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (45 Viewers)

[Nick]

No, the point is that if you make a conscious choice to go into a boozer bearing in mind the current situation around the world, you are either incredibly stupid or a seriously flawed human being. The fact that they haven't 'officially' been closed is irrelevant, or are people just drones now incapable of making a conscious decision themselves?

People are making a decision by going to the pub, it just doesn't match up with yours.

Why is nobody explaining why it is safer to go to a supermarket with hundreds of other ferral cunts than it is to sit in a quiet pub? "People need food" is nonsense as the majority aren't just going to get what they NEED.

If I had to choose, I would take my daughter to a pub rather than a supermarket right now. (I am not going to take her to either).

 

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[ccfc92]

So what you're saying is that unless things are officially closed down thus removing the option, you are unable to resist the urge to do something pretty stupid?

Who said anything about me?

But that does apply to the general population, yes.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

People are making a decision by going to the pub, it just doesn't match up with yours.

Why is nobody explaining why it is safer to go to a supermarket with hundreds of other ferral cunts than it is to sit in a quiet pub? "People need food" is nonsense as the majority aren't just going to get what they NEED.

False. People do actually need food, it is the hoarding that is not right. You are wrong, once again. Unless you really are saying that "people need food" is nonsense.

 

[ccfc92]

People are making a decision by going to the pub, it just doesn't match up with yours.

Why is nobody explaining why it is safer to go to a supermarket with hundreds of other ferral cunts than it is to sit in a quiet pub? "People need food" is nonsense as the majority aren't just going to get what they NEED.

If I had to choose, I would take my daughter to a pub rather than a supermarket right now. (I am not going to take her to either).

Probably less likely to get into a punch up too than a supermarket.

 

[Grendel]

So what you're saying is that unless things are officially closed down thus removing the option, you are unable to resist the urge to do something pretty stupid?

If this was the Ebola virus would you go to the supermarket?

 

[Otis]

The way people started with all this as earlier in the thread will show and look where we are now. And people are STILL not taking it seriously. What more needs to happen.

A few more deaths closer to home?

 

[David O'Day]

If this was the Ebola virus would you go to the supermarket?

Yes because I need to eat

 

[Ring Of Steel]

A few more deaths closer to home?

Thats what its going to take unfortunately. Until that time "we'll do what we want".

 

[Nick]

False. People do actually need food, it is the hoarding that is not right. You are wrong, once again. Unless you really are saying that "people need food" is nonsense.

Which is why I said people aren't just going to get what they NEED.

Again, this leads back to people like Piers Morgan and other twats winding up the hysteria and banging on about killing grandparents.

I fully get people need food, if I had to make the choice between taking my daughter to a supermarket to get food or a pub right now it would be the local.

 

[Grendel]

Yes because I need to eat

So you’d go into a crowded supermarket with a virus that has to a 90% death rate. I’d not bother thanks

 

[David O'Day]

So you’d go into a crowded supermarket with a virus that has to a 90% death rate. I’d not bother thanks

So 8n a world were you cant get food delivered how do you survive?

 

[Nick]

So 8n a world were you cant get food delivered how do you survive?

It isn't to go and queue up for hours crammed in with others fighting for a bag of pasta or a bog roll.

Just to confirm, this isn't about people going to get food. This is about the state of shops at the minute.

 

[hill83]

Every time I go in the shop there are people's grandparents in there buying cigs, maybe we can ban smoking as well for over 60s as it will be making their lungs weaker or is that their choice?

This isn’t the same. Banning smoking. More false equivalencies. Shall we get back into car crashes on the way to matches again or is that one long gone now.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Which is why I said people aren't just going to get what they NEED.

Again, this leads back to people like Piers Morgan and other twats winding up the hysteria and banging on about killing grandparents.

I fully get people need food, if I had to make the choice between taking my daughter to a supermarket to get food or a pub right now it would be the local.

Which appears to be a ready made excuse for going to the pub, your call. You spent days saying how you had no problem getting food from your local shop, now its all about your fear of hordes of barbarians fighting over bogroll & pasta and worry about taking your daughter to Sainsburys- which actually is it?

 

[David O'Day]

It isn't to go and queue up for hours crammed in with others fighting for a bag of pasta or a bog roll.

Just to confirm, this isn't about people going to get food. This is about the state of shops at the minute.

You don't have to, mostly the supermarkets are ok. Been today and it's busier but I got the stuff I need.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

My son is working on the covid 19 ward & doesn’t have the right protective kit. There are not enough respirators, so the actions of that idiot owner of Wetherspoons by not closing leads to a spike in infection which demand for them outstripping supply. The medics will be making decisions on who lives and dies! Self discipline from all of us is required for the greater good.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It isn't to go and queue up for hours crammed in with others fighting for a bag of pasta or a bog roll.

Just to confirm, this isn't about people going to get food. This is about the state of shops at the minute.

But you've been saying for days you can get plenty at your local shop? Why all this now attempting to play it down, why is it suddenly such a huge issue to go for a couple of jars?

 

[Grendel]

So 8n a world were you cant get food delivered how do you survive?

you would probably develop a ration system and allow each household to collect the rations in an isolated environment once a week

 

[Ring Of Steel]

My son is working on the covid 19 ward & doesn’t have the right protective kit. There are not enough respirators, so the actions of that idiot owner of Wetherspoons by not closing leads to a spike in infection which demand for them outstripping supply. The medics will be making decisions on who lives and dies! Self discipline from all of us is required for the greater good.

As you can see, it is not being taken seriously.

 

[Grendel]

As you can see, it is not being taken seriously.

If you were working In a supermarket and had an 80 year old living with then is it irresponsible to go to work?

 

[Nick]

Which appears to be a ready made excuse for going to the pub, your call. You spent days saying how you had no problem getting food from your local shop, now its all about your fear of hordes of barbarians fighting over bogroll & pasta and worry about taking your daughter to Sainsburys- which actually is it?

Do you struggle to read? I have said I'd take her to neither.

I am going to the local shop every day to get basics for that day's meal. My fridge is empty and there's some stuff in the freezer and cupboards as a backup.

I am just using basic common sense. AT THE MINUTE it would be safer to go into a pub with a handful of others in than it would be to go in a supermarket.

Again for the record, I am doing neither. My point is that there seems to be much more focus on a pub than there is about people acting like cunts in shops. Why aren't people demanding many more security guards to enable people to just go and get what they need?

For a single bloke on their own, I am just pointing out their logic as to why they would go and get a curry and a pint over try and risk going to Tesxo.

I am getting at the need to sort shops out and calm the fuck down about toilet roll and pasta.

 

[usskyblue]

Yeah but I can go and queue at Tesco for an hour to fight an OAP for a bag of rice at 7am and then have to drive around trying to get stuff to make a decent meal as well as trying to work for a day.

The other option is to go to Spoons and get a curry and a pint for a Fiver. I have mates who have been going to the pub for dinner for that reason.

I get that people need to get food and do shopping but the majority of those at the minute don't NEED to be getting what they are and doing what they are doing.

Once there is some sort of order in the shops and people like Piers Morgan shut the fuck up then I am pretty sure it will die down naturally.

Greed is at the heart of a lot of this. Supermarkets allowed people to stock-pile.

Oh...and there’s the economy v people’s lives

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Frankly, I've been avoiding Wetherspoons for years for fear of catching something.....disgusting cesspits....

...that said, anyone still going the pub is a bit of a selfish c**t IMHO.

I last went last Saturday night & still feel guilty & stupid about it now!

 

[tisza]

Just don't get it.
Do people really have to have the Govt order them to behave sensibly? Then people kick off about totalitarian states etc.
Govt didn't have to make condoms compulsory after HIV & Aids were discovered - the vast majority of people decided for themselves it was a sensible choice to protect themselves from a potentially fatal virus and its consequences.
Obvious difference here is someone with coronavirus can infect unwilling/unsuspecting 3rd parties.
You go to certain countries and you have the necessary injections to protect against serious/fatal diseases.
Why do people need the Govt to force them make rational/socially responsible decisions?

 

[clint van damme]

The bloke is an absolute prick. I don't know anyone who would disagree.

But as I jeep saying life needs to go on as long as possible. People need to work to make a living. Yet some try to say we should have locked down before the virus took hold. Yet they won't say how long it should happen for.

If we could keep our distance it would spread much slower. Hospitals would be able to cope. But we have countless who think they know better.

As I have kept saying we are about a week behind France. They have the advantage of their population being spread about. We are a small island with about the same population. I speak to the wife all the time. I don't have a clue when they will next get to see me. She detest Boris more than anyone on here. But a couple of days ago she surprised me. She said for once he is doing the right thing.

People have already had enough of being in lockdown. So they are now ignoring it. The fines have multiplied to try and stop people flouting the rules put in place. The lowest fine has gone from €39 to €135. It still isn't working. Someone got stopped right outside our house last night. The wife heard where they had come from. Over an hour away.

The one question never answered is how long do we lock down for. Until there is a vaccine? Or should it be done, release the measures when the NHS can cope then lock down again?

What is needed the most is serious consequences for those who flout the rules/guidelines. Keep your distance. Stay indoors for 14 days if you have any symptoms. But because we have idiots that know better it isn't working. So as I said last week I can see a shutdown being announced this weekend.

Can you not travel to France or have you just decided not to?

 

[Nick]

Greed is at the heart of a lot of this. Supermarkets allowed people to stock-pile.

Oh...and there’s the economy v people’s lives

I agree.

As I said on the other thread, shops are being looted shitless. I went in the coop in Coundon and the woman said people just run in and grab whatever they can and run out. The girl on minimum wage isn't going to put herself at risk and people will always do it as they know there is no security.

Rather than focusing on telling everybody who walks in a pub that they are a murderer there needs to be some order. Get some additional security in every shop.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Just don't get it.
Do people really have to have the Govt order them to behave sensibly? Then people kick off about totalitarian states etc.
Govt didn't have to make condoms compulsory after HIV & Aids were discovered - the vast majority of people decided for themselves it was a sensible choice to protect themselves from a potentially fatal virus and its consequences.
Obvious difference here is someone with coronavirus can infect unwilling/unsuspecting 3rd parties.
You go to certain countries and you have the necessary injections to protect against serious/fatal diseases.
Why do people need the Govt to force them make rational/socially responsible decisions?

Add to that you know the govt is shit making it more obvious that you have to make your own decisions- yet still people don't get it.

 

[hill83]

If you were working In a supermarket and had an 80 year old living with then is it irresponsible to go to work?

Heartbreaking decision but if you need to work to survive you would probably have to take the risk.

Well done. Grendel has won.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I agree.

As I said on the other thread, shops are being looted shitless. I went in the coop in Coundon and the woman said people just run in and grab whatever they can and run out. The girl on minimum wage isn't going to put herself at risk and people will always do it as they know there is no security.

Rather than focusing on telling everybody who walks in a pub that they are a murderer there needs to be some order. Get some additional security in every shop.

true, and also the people going to pubs to smarten up. You're parcelling up two different things. Get order in the shops, and people stop being stupid. Its not hard, or at least it shouldn't be.

 

[PVA]

The people they infect in the pub? They can’t complain as they’ve chosen to go to the pub?

Good grief.

 

[Nick]

true, and also the people going to pubs to smarten up. You're parcelling up two different things. Get order in the shops, and people stop being stupid. Its not hard, or at least it shouldn't be.

I was just pointing out why some people will still go to the pub. I know people who are self employed who have just been nipping in for a meal after work.

The local with 5 or 10 people in is a lot safer than a supermarket at the moment.

 

[Astute]

Can you not travel to France or have you just decided not to?

France has been shut since last weekend. The borders are open but only if you have a very good reason.

That is what I have been saying. You need to fill out a form before travelling anywhere. Not many places are allowed to open. You are only allowed to go to one of the places that are allowed to open. You must go on the most direct route. Go shopping alone.

If I lived in France full time I could get to be with the wife and kids. But then I wouldn't be allowed to leave.

 

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[BornSlippySkyBlue]

I can’t believe that people don’t get the difference between shopping to eat and going to the fucking pub. Yes, you can catch it in the supermarket, at work or picking your kids up from school (until next week). But these things are all necessary to some extent. By continuing going to crowded places that you really have no direct need to be in you are increasing the chances of catching it and of spreading it to others.

If we all say fuck it, it will spread faster.

Spreading faster is exactly what we are trying to avoid, hence not doing non-essential things that might spread it.

How is that difficult to understand?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I can’t believe that people don’t get the difference between shopping to eat and going to the fucking pub. Yes, you can catch it in the supermarket, at work or picking your kids up from school (until next week). But these things are all necessary to some extent. By continuing going to crowded places that you really have no direct need to be in you are increasing the chances of catching it and of spreading it to others.

If we all say fuck it, it will spread faster.

Spreading faster is exactly what we are trying to avoid, hence not doing non-essential things that might spread it.

How is that difficult to understand?

It is beyond me completely.