Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (42 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

The number of UK coronavirus cases has reached 1,950 - up 407 in 24 hours.

The number of confirmed deaths will be announced later today.

 

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[PVA]

So they've finally caught up with the rest of the world and realised that social distancing reduces the peak, bravo lads, bravo!

 

[Skyblueweeman]

There's an EFL board meeting tomorrow. It could have big ramifications.

Think that's been scheduled for a few days and was put in place strategically for them to discuss options once they knew what was happening with the Euros. Now we know they're going to be postponed, I suspect they'll have a date in mind when they would 'hope' to get matches back on again and they'll canvass opinion on it tomorrow.

My bet is that they'll say something like football will recommence mid April so long as the UKs numbers continue to drop (if they are by that point) like they're doing in China. They'll then have a cut off day when they'll need to confirm that by or push the start up date back further by a couple of weeks.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Sir Patrick Vallance saying the number of cases should start to decrease in 2 to 3 weeks time which is good! How come the apparent peak is 10-12 weeks away then or has that now changed due to social distancing and the change in approach????

 

[fernandopartridge]

 

[PVA]

I posted this yesterday to show France's excellent response to the problems business are facing.

"France is taking a slightly different approach. Macron has told the nation he wants no company to be exposed to the risk of collapse as a result of the pandemic. He has also said gas, electricity and water bills are to be suspended – as are rents – and the state will guarantee companies’ loans with a €300bn package."


Now that is what you called leadership.

It was announced Boris would use his statement today to explain what we will do for businesses (possibly spooked into it by what France are doing?).

I hoped we might follow suit but it looks like we are sticking with what was in the budget:

 

[Grendel]

I’ve seen the articles. I stand by what I said. If someone is currently being prescribed medication for something they should seek medical advice before discontinuing it. People read stuff like that and make decisions that may not be in their best interest (such as stopping before they even have symptoms, stopping too quickly in the case of some meds etc). It’s just common sense not to give out specific advice on medication unless you are a doctor or a pharmacist. Knowing that there may be an issue is good because it means you can then ask your doctor the specific question “ I read that...should I...”.

NSAIDS are really quite bad for you long-term, Diclofenac being the worst one, and yet I was prescribed it for 18 years continuously despite 6 monthly medication reviews with a consultant. For some patients the advice is different, hence not giving out blanket advice on the internet.

Fair enough - it’s unlikely people are prescribed that drug and when Sarah Jarvis was asked she would not commit - most people will just buy it from the shops non prescribed I would have thought

 

[Nick]

People are expected to stay at home and get 95 a week?

 

[Otis]

I have some Taiwanese pen friends.

It's quite amazing how they have been able to tackle Covid-19, despite only being 110 miles from the Chinese border.

Just 67 cases. 1 death.


Fear of China Made Taiwan a Coronavirus Success Story

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

People are expected to stay at home and get 95 a week?

Literally nobody will want to stay at home for that, how can bills be paid and people live?

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Oh, that’ll make a few people take notice. Not just the oldies and the sickies then. Wonder why in the NL, *quick google* their healthcare system is as good as any in Europe pretty much.

Ominous.

 

[Grendel]

I posted this yesterday to show France's excellent response to the problems business are facing.



It was announced Boris would use his statement today to explain what we will do for businesses (possibly spooked into it by what France are doing?).

I hoped we might follow suit but it looks like we are sticking with what was in the budget:

Macron has no details - as ever with him just words in a ridiculous announcement last night which was more about him than anyone else

 

[Otis]

Literally nobody will want to stay at home for that, how can bills be paid and people live?

Word that mortgage lenders will give three months grace on your mortgage payments. That would be a huge help.

 

[tisza]

aren't they taking a similar theoretical approach to UK were?

 

[fellatio_Martinez]

I posted this yesterday to show France's excellent response to the problems business are facing.



It was announced Boris would use his statement today to explain what we will do for businesses (possibly spooked into it by what France are doing?).

I hoped we might follow suit but it looks like we are sticking with what was in the budget:

Hasn't a big retailer already gone bust today?

The already dying high street may be finally killed off by this.

 

[Grendel]

Oh, that’ll make a few people take notice. Not just the oldies and the sickies then. Wonder why in the NL, *quick google* their healthcare system is as good as any in Europe pretty much.

Ominous.

Odd
Dutch coronavirus death toll rises to 24, one third of cases in Brabant - DutchNews.nl

 

[PVA]

Macron has no details - as ever with him just words in a ridiculous announcement last night which was more about him than anyone else

Ahahahaha and yet you have your nose shoved right up Boris' backside. Pot meet kettle.

The Danish government have said they will pay 75% of people's salaries if the employer pays the remaining 25%. Impressive.

 

[cc84cov]

A few thoughts from me, feel free to dissect and argue:

1) The borders should have been shut immediately when this first broke. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I do feel as if all of Europe was slow to react. Was this something to do with not upsetting the Chinese or open border believers? Not having a pop, just curious.

2) I don't believe the figures coming out of China.

3) Russia seemed to have done quite well by sorting their borders early. I don't really believe their figures either though.

4) Something is well off about this. Feels like something is being blatantly hidden from us. Either that or all world leaders are totally weak and stupid.

5) I'm not a panicker but it is making me feel uneasy now. Been told to work from home for a month. Got toilet paper to last me another day or two at best.

6) Experts are contradicting each other all the time which is causing more confusion and encouraging 'arm chair' opinions to become more vocal.

7) This is being used by people with strong political views to blast their opponents.

8) The government's communication has been shite.

9) The rest of Europe's leaders may have shut down now but also reacted slowly.

10) I can't work out if this is gonna blow over and get laughed at, or if we are in for real anarchy. If it is the latter I can see some really bad shit happening. Job lay offs, looting, riots...

This whole thing is a mind fuck.

Russia are defo lying same as China same as our government & your right boarders should have been closed straight away I thought Boris has balls ? All he’s done is flap

 

[tisza]

Macron has no details - as ever with him just words in a ridiculous announcement last night which was more about him than anyone else

did mention Nationalisation as an option for large companies. opportunism

 

[Nick]

Word that mortgage lenders will give three months grace on your mortgage payments. That would be a huge help.

Even so, what's 95 a week going to do. It's not going to make people stay at home.

 

[Grendel]

did mention Nationalisation as an option for large companies. opportunism

exactly

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Fair enough - it’s unlikely people are prescribed that drug and when Sarah Jarvis was asked she would not commit - most people will just buy it from the shops non prescribed I would have thought

It’s currently on my repeat prescription list as it is ‘safer’ than some of the alternatives, but I take your point (and don’t actually use it at present). It’s not just ibuprofen though, it’s a whole class of drugs. Ibuprofen is the only Over The Counter one available in most countries (apart from aspirin which is only a mild anti-inflammatory). A lot of people who are prescribed NSAIDS are currently nervous about it, that much I do know.

 

[Sick Boy]

I posted this yesterday to show France's excellent response to the problems business are facing.



It was announced Boris would use his statement today to explain what we will do for businesses (possibly spooked into it by what France are doing?).

I hoped we might follow suit but it looks like we are sticking with what was in the budget:

Here they have paused mortgage and rent payments.

 

[Otis]

Even so, what's 95 a week going to do. It's not going to make people stay at home.

I know. It's a big worry for so many and I also think there will be a few domestics occuring real soon.

No sport, no cinema, no restaurants, no pubs. Drinking at home and in a confined space with your wife or husband for an elongated period.


Could be a powder keg.

 

[Nick]

Here they have paused mortgage and rent payments.

What about council tax and everything else?

 

[Otis]

What about council tax and everything else?

Definitely should do that too.

 

[fernandopartridge]

aren't they taking a similar theoretical approach to UK were?

I think so

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

There's an EFL board meeting tomorrow. It could have big ramifications.

Kindly get off of this thread! Anybody would think this was a football forum.

 

[chiefdave]

Insurers won’t pay anyway

Would be interested to know why you believe insurance companies are telling venues they are not covered for voluntary closure but would be covered for a government imposed closure if they are then, should the government impose that closure, going to turn round and say that isn't covered either.

 

[PVA]

aren't they taking a similar theoretical approach to UK were?

They've closed sex shops and cannabis cafes, serious stuff for them!

 

[Sick Boy]

What about council tax and everything else?

There isn't the same system as the UK here, I believe that the commune taxes are deducted by the wage slip, but it is not as high as the UK.

 

[cc84cov]

They know how these new measures will cut deaths to 20k

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

@Sick Boy With our new measures ramping up and the chief medical inspector saying our cases could start to reduce/slow down in 2-3 weeks, do you think we'll have it as bad as Italy?

 

[Grendel]

Would be interested to know why you believe insurance companies are telling venues they are not covered for voluntary closure but would be covered for a government imposed closure if they are then, should the government impose that closure, going to turn round and say that isn't covered either.

Many callers on 5 Live say the insurance won’t pay as the virus is not listed and needs to be to meet terms and conditions

 

[CCFCSteve]

Can’t help but feel people really haven’t grasped the seriousness of this. All this talk of “lol I’ll just carry on” when the message from government is very clear that you won’t. The plan is these measures are here until a vaccine is with maybe small breaks if NHS capacity allows. Reminds me of what @Sick Boy was saying the Italians were like two weeks ago.

Spot on shmmeee. I can’t get my head around it and don’t think many others have either. I’m not getting back into the whole government debate but this is obviously what they were doing the best/hoping to avoid.

The potential impact of the proposed measures could easily have as great a human cost as the actual illness itself.

ps I’m just hoping the lock down is weeks rather than months and/or they find that those that have had it won’t be a risk to others once they have recovered and are unlikely to catch it again (so can start living their lives again, which then has a wider positive impact on economy/society). Probably the best we can hope for in the short to medium term