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BrisbaneBronco
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Success based on losing King/Juke/Turner/Gunner/Westwood. But would like us to finish 5th bottom or 4th bottom and with over 10 points more than Pompey.
That way we can say that we have not relied on their 10 point deduction to stay up.
We will lose more players in the summer and no doubt some more youngsters will come through next season. Could be another struggle.
That way we can say that we have not relied on their 10 point deduction to stay up.
We will lose more players in the summer and no doubt some more youngsters will come through next season. Could be another struggle.
Otis
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Hard to say. A success in one sense, but if we finished 4th from bottom that would only be because of Pompey losing 10 points. No admin for Pompey and we would be gone. Would rather we finished 5th or 6th from bottom so no-one can throw that label at us that we only survived through Pompey's misfortune.
torchomatic
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Agree. But there will be labels a-plenty regardless of what happens. It's usually the same when we win or draw, though thankfully yesterday there wasn't a lot that could be thrown at us. There weren't any penalties or sending offs. We played well and deserved the victory. Nice and simple.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don't buy that Otis. Pompey are in administration because they spent way, way beyond their means on repeated occasions. That isn't misfortune, it's recklessness-we are where we are in a large part due to our scant financial resources-who's to say that other teams haven't benefitted from that handicap?
Otis
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No agree, it is there own fault, but we will have benefitted from someone elses adveristy and not through our own volition. Misfortune was the wrong word to use.
Labels about dodgy pens or the odd game is not even close to being on the same level as a rival team being deducted 10 points.
Just can't see that if we only survive because Pompey lost 10 points that, that could in anyway be described as being a success.
Labels about dodgy pens or the odd game is not even close to being on the same level as a rival team being deducted 10 points.
Just can't see that if we only survive because Pompey lost 10 points that, that could in anyway be described as being a success.
torchomatic
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For those who label and make excuses then it won't be a success. For the rest of us, it will because next season we would be in the Championship. These things happen all the time. A team will be relegated or promoted over a wrong decision; a disallowed goal or a penalty.
Look at the France - Republic of Ireland qualifier. France went through despite Henry admitting he handled it. What I'm saying is, the only thing that matters is that we stay in this division. By hook or by crook.
Look at the France - Republic of Ireland qualifier. France went through despite Henry admitting he handled it. What I'm saying is, the only thing that matters is that we stay in this division. By hook or by crook.
Astute
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At least we can't be labeled cheats like we are by the Sunderland fans
In my opinion what Portsmouth have done warrants not a 10 point deduction, but an automatic relegation.
I feel sorry for their fans, but the way they've built up all that debt, with no realistic intention of paying it back, just to pay inflated wages to their players, is cheating, pure and simple.
If we stay up because of their 10 point deduction, then so be it. A club cheated, and has been punished accordingly.
I feel sorry for their fans, but the way they've built up all that debt, with no realistic intention of paying it back, just to pay inflated wages to their players, is cheating, pure and simple.
If we stay up because of their 10 point deduction, then so be it. A club cheated, and has been punished accordingly.
Astute
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Spot on, although what they are allowed to do with signing players still is close to being able to cheat even more.
CCFC Germany
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It would be a success as relegation would be dramatic.
But I'm more concerned about how we stay out of relegation trouble next season then...
But I'm more concerned about how we stay out of relegation trouble next season then...
kg82
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So, a header?!
The Reverend Skyblue
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If we stay up i think it will be our greatest escape ever,considering where we were at christmas
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kg82
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That's what I said the other day (Macca said 85 though)! Before Christmas it was: Pl 21 Pts 13 and after Christmas it's been: Pl 18 Pts 22 - if only we could've had that form the whole season.
torchomatic
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I would go for the 1985 "win the last three games" escape.
WillieStanley
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Before the season, everyone, bar most of us has City written off. At the beginning of the season, more of us were starting to get jittery. Christmas, it seemed all hope was lost. Now we have hope again and if that hope is realised and we stay up, Andy Thorn, the players, the hardy fans can call this season, traumatic though it was for many reasons, a success.
Every game is now a cup final,there will be no cup at the end ,just the £4m. prize money,would that be enough with costs covered to persuade the tightwads to part with a bit and give the manager a halfchance of making us competative ,especially as we;re going to be awash with discarded players seeking new deals
frodobaggins
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Appoint your chief scout as manager. Lose your four best players and don't replace them. Sign one player all season. This season has only ever been about surviving until next season. PUSB
Paxman II
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Keeping strictly to the question. If we stay up after flirting with relegation all season then it can only be relief but success is not a word to describe it. It's failure in anyone's book to be so poor for so long.
As someone else rightly pointed out Pompey lost 10 points so if we scrape home because of that then even more so.
How anyone can see it as success is beyond me.
Please don't talk about lost players etc because on closer examination that really was not the case.
No matter what conditions we have been set a dismal season is not success. We may be successful in staying up but not having had a successful season.
Top 6 would be success, promotion would be success, a good cup run could be a mild success but alas we have had none of those.
As has been proven with just our recent run of games, 5 unbeaten and 2 clean sheets with a few goals scored we have shown what might have been had AT got it together more earlier.
It's been a lousy season, one we all want to forget.
As someone else rightly pointed out Pompey lost 10 points so if we scrape home because of that then even more so.
How anyone can see it as success is beyond me.
Please don't talk about lost players etc because on closer examination that really was not the case.
No matter what conditions we have been set a dismal season is not success. We may be successful in staying up but not having had a successful season.
Top 6 would be success, promotion would be success, a good cup run could be a mild success but alas we have had none of those.
As has been proven with just our recent run of games, 5 unbeaten and 2 clean sheets with a few goals scored we have shown what might have been had AT got it together more earlier.
It's been a lousy season, one we all want to forget.
kg82
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Not being awkward, I'd just like you to explain the sentence I've high-lighted. Cheers
Colonel Mustard
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The question is really whether it is sufficient punishment. By spending so much money (that they didn't have), they were either creating an advantage for themselves over other teams or encouraging other teams to go into debt in order to match them. Neither scenario is pretty, and their actions have many repercussions for teams at both ends of the table. IMO 10 points just doesn't cut it. It must be said, though, that they're only able to get away with such behaviour because of a shocking lack of regulation in league football.
Otis
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They need to change the rules.
If it is to be points it should be at least 20. That would then mean any team at the top would be way back outside the play-off places and anyone in midtable or lower would probably go straight to the bottom of the table.
Ideally though, should be automatic relegation. Also a -15 point deduction to start the next season with on top too.
If it is to be points it should be at least 20. That would then mean any team at the top would be way back outside the play-off places and anyone in midtable or lower would probably go straight to the bottom of the table.
Ideally though, should be automatic relegation. Also a -15 point deduction to start the next season with on top too.
Grendel
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This is 100% right. Until recently the worst season in living memory.
Even if we survive what is there to look forward to?
Experienced players leaving - Clingan and Cranie for sure and probably Keogh as well
Norwood and Nimeley back to their clubs
Platt another year older
Future isn't looking bright is it?