Time to wake up and smell the coffee (2 Viewers)

[lifeskyblue]

Or bring back Haynes. Play a back three of Martin, stokes and Stephens. Haynes and lorentzen attacking wing backs. Vincelot sitting between. Fleck and cole (or lameries) as the attacking midfield. And arma (or bassala) and Henderson upfront. A 3,3,2,2 formation


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[oucho]

We can hope, can't we.

A win on Saturday would be brilliant, but it wouldn't change my thinking.

As I keep on saying, we need a run. 3 wins on the bounce and then we are right back in with a good chance. Just can't see that 3 on the bounce though, I really can't.

At the moment I would be happy with just stopping the rot. It has stopped being fun again being a City fan.

I think we have to take one game at a time - a good run starts with winning the first game (Blackpool).

I think that the outcry at recent results is depressing. It's like it's somehow unacceptable to City fans for us to be mediocre.I have long thought that I'd accept us being mid-table and inconsistent for a few years whilst the club settles down, the manager is in place for 3-4 years firstly ensure 100% of the squad are his own picks, then developing the academy prospects accordingly. To listen to some on here, you'd think that the club's recovery can be achieved within a year or two from nothing. It's a long rebuild job and it's only just started - every time we sack the manger, the clock gets reset to zero.

 

[Otis]

Good points. Just grates a little when you can have Gillingham and Southend and Burton all fighting for a play-off place and that being their target and their believing it is achievable.

With the City it always seems to be about consolidating and building and it being 2 or 3 seasons or 4 or 5 years etc.

Just don't think we have the belief of other teams, the belief I think we should indeed have!

 

[mark82]

Our fixtures in April look brutal. We could be on the end of some hammerings if we don't sort things out quickly

 

[Paxman II]

The problem is just being exacerbated with each defeat. But as with all bad runs they do eventually end. Ours will. Looking at those fixtures remaining if we get back some form I can imagine a decent finish after all. It's all about getting a win under the belt again. There is no better time than the next game. A shift in momentum is due and if that happens Saturday our prospects will indeed look better and a chance of the play offs for the taking. Remember we just need to finish in the playoffs, not 3rd not 4th. TM will do enough with the squad he has to ensure that happens. It will turn, have some patience. The suggestion and display of stats means absolutely nothing if you win the next game. That's football. It's as much about confidence and sometimes the rub of the green as it is to do with stats.
We have certainly had a poor run of results and derailed our play off hopes oh so slightly. Anyone on here would think we were in the bottom three. Form and results are over a season long period and the table never lies.
Have some belief I still do. Our run may end on Saturday while others who have been so good so long are now showing they too are having the wobbles (Burton, Walsall, Gillingham) others are not so much improving (Barnsley apart) as the top six fading. The pressure is on now, known as the business end of the season, and we will see what we have and what TM is made of. There is no magic wand. We do have the players which is why I believe we will be OK and find ourselves in the playoffs. If we don't make it, that is the time to ponder what the hell is wrong and contemplate changes in management but for now we have every chance of success...it's not yet blown.

 

[covcity4life]

Our fixtures in April look brutal. We could be on the end of some hammerings if we don't sort things out quickly

or we could win them because lets face it everyone said we could win most of matches in march.

doesnt always go to standings form

 

[stupot07]

It's all about getting a win under the belt again.

We said this before thrashing Bury 6-0 (and Crewe 5-0 before that), that was a win under the belt, but it didn't spark any upturn in form, it was just an isolated win. So if we do win on Saturday, that win will prove nothing, unless it is following up by 2-3 good results on the bounce.


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[torchomatic]

Yes, it is realism and if things don't change then chances are we will finish mid table. However, things do change, hence why we aren't trailblazing like we were at the beginning of the season, because things have...well, changed.

I'm a "it's ain't over until it's over" kind of guy. So onwards and upwards for me.

It's not negative, as you say it is realism.

3 wins in 17.

7 losses out of the last 10

2 goals scored in the last 4 games

Averaging less than a point a game.

We need a brilliant run now.

 

[Bertola]

The problem is just being exacerbated with each defeat. But as with all bad runs they do eventually end. Ours will. Looking at those fixtures remaining if we get back some form I can imagine a decent finish after all. It's all about getting a win under the belt again. There is no better time than the next game. A shift in momentum is due and if that happens Saturday our prospects will indeed look better and a chance of the play offs for the taking. Remember we just need to finish in the playoffs, not 3rd not 4th. TM will do enough with the squad he has to ensure that happens. It will turn, have some patience. The suggestion and display of stats means absolutely nothing if you win the next game. That's football. It's as much about confidence and sometimes the rub of the green as it is to do with stats.
We have certainly had a poor run of results and derailed our play off hopes oh so slightly. Anyone on here would think we were in the bottom three. Form and results are over a season long period and the table never lies.
Have some belief I still do. Our run may end on Saturday while others who have been so good so long are now showing they too are having the wobbles (Burton, Walsall, Gillingham) others are not so much improving (Barnsley apart) as the top six fading. The pressure is on now, known as the business end of the season, and we will see what we have and what TM is made of. There is no magic wand. We do have the players which is why I believe we will be OK and find ourselves in the playoffs. If we don't make it, that is the time to ponder what the hell is wrong and contemplate changes in management but for now we have every chance of success...it's not yet blown.

Agreed, but the first step to getting 2/3 wins on the bounce, is getting the first win

 

[oucho]

Yes, it is realism and if things don't change then chances are we will finish mid table. However, things do change, hence why we aren't trailblazing like we were at the beginning of the season, because things have...well, changed.

I'm a "it's ain't over until it's over" kind of guy. So onwards and upwards for me.

Still, you can understand t he "glass half empty" approach from City fans, given the many false dawns over the years!

 

[oucho]

With the City it always seems to be about consolidating and building and it being 2 or 3 seasons or 4 or 5 years etc.

Well yes, because every 12 months we set the clock back to zero by changing the manager!

 

[torchomatic]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying people shouldn't think it's all doom and gloom and that the season is over, just saying I won't be thinking like that until it is mathematically impossible to get into the top six.

Not sure what you mean about "false dawns". It's been rubbish for years, I can't remember too many false dawns, to be honest.

Still, you can understand t he "glass half empty" approach from City fans, given the many false dawns over the years!

 

[SonofErnie]

Good points. Just grates a little when you can have Gillingham and Southend and Burton all fighting for a play-off place and that being their target and their believing it is achievable.

With the City it always seems to be about consolidating and building and it being 2 or 3 seasons or 4 or 5 years etc.

Just don't think we have the belief of other teams, the belief I think we should indeed have!

You're spot on, we’ve been building and consolidating for the last 15 years and never reach the point where we actually mount a sustained challenge.

I think most fans are heartily sick of it, hence the rapid drop off in attendances once the inevitable slump comes along.

Even this season, I’ve always believed that it was built on sand, as has been proven by the loss of key players, either through injury or loans coming to an end.

The corner will only be turned once there is real investment in the team and/or we keep our home grown players for 3 or 4 seasons before flogging them to the highest bidder.

At the moment I can’t see that changing, without a new owner coming in. It can’t just be down to the manager!

 

[torchomatic]

Exactly. Because fans scream for the managers head then have the cheek to complain that we have to start all over again. Vicious circle perpetuated by the fans.

Well yes, because every 12 months we set the clock back to zero by changing the manager!

 

[covcity4life]

We said this before thrashing Bury 6-0 (and Crewe 5-0 before that), that was a win under the belt, but it didn't spark any upturn in form, it was just an isolated win. So if we do win on Saturday, that win will prove nothing, unless it is following up by 2-3 good results on the bounce.


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and how do you get to a run of 2-3 wins without getting a 1st win under the belt????????

 

[lifeskyblue]

Surely though it's the club that sacks the manager. Fans just vent their anger and frustration. Whenever a manager is sacked many fans are supportive: Presley, boothroyd, dowie to name but three had a lot of support from fans whilst others called for their sacking


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[Otis]

We said this before thrashing Bury 6-0 (and Crewe 5-0 before that), that was a win under the belt, but it didn't spark any upturn in form, it was just an isolated win. So if we do win on Saturday, that win will prove nothing, unless it is following up by 2-3 good results on the bounce.


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Feel exactly the same way, Stu.

We win on Saturday and that will mean nothing unless we follow it up with another win or two afterwards.

 

[lifeskyblue]

I really feel TM and the team have been well supported by the fans this season. Perhaps the great start gave a lot of us rose tinted specs. Even during the poor run It is only in the last couple home games and the Barnsley away that the fans disenchantment has been to the fore. I didn't like the fans cheering the Murphy substitution v fleet wood but that is the only time this season I have detected a real anger directed at any player


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[covcity4life]

Feel exactly the same way, Stu.

We win on Saturday and that will mean nothing unless we follow it up with another win or two afterwards.

LOL

ill say it again

how can you get 2-3 wins in trot without winning the first one?

your acting like a spoilt brat, "i dont want regular he man, i only want he man if it comes with battlecat!"

get the first one,then look for the next

 

[Gazolba]

Teams only need to get enough points to finish above 7th, so the better indicator for how many points you'd need to finish 6th is to look at the points 7th got and add one more, or rely on goal difference and get the same points.

I'm not sure why you got so many 'likes' because your logic is completely flawed. The better indicator is in Otis' original post, the number of points the 6th place team actually got. The number of points the 7th place team had is irrelevant. Your argument is based on changing the results of games and if you start doing that, the whole table changes because the points one team gets affects the points other teams get.

 

[Otis]

Err, numpty, cc4l! That's exactly what we are saying.

To get 2 or 3 wins on the bounce we have to get that first win, but then that first win means nothing unless it is followed up by another 1 or 2 wins.

Some are saying about turning the corner on the back of 1 win.

We beat Blackpool and it will mean nowt unless we follow it with another win and then another.

Your lack of understanding is not my problem, sunshine!

 

[Gazolba]

We virtually all said drop Fortune, some even said he should never play for us again. TM picked him to start and he was MOM. So evidently TM knows more than us. That said, I don't think TM knows his best team other than he has certain preferences that are different for home and away games. I don't think our squad is as good as we think it is. And I cannot see any likelihood of us making the play-offs. It would require such a massive turnaround in form, it defies belief.

 

[stupot07]

and how do you get to a run of 2-3 wins without getting a 1st win under the belt????????

What Otis said:

Err, numpty, cc4l! That's exactly what we are saying.

To get 2 or 3 wins on the bounce we have to get that first win, but then that first win means nothing unless it is followed up by another 1 or 2 wins.

Some are saying about turning the corner on the back of 1 win.

We beat Blackpool and it will mean nowt unless we follow it with another win and then another.

Your lack of understanding is not my problem, sunshine!

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[Covstu]

We know how we can perform so I am unsure why playoffs is a distant chance now. Form is shocking granted but we need to get a result to get momentum going, only Wigan away is a non winnable game in my opinion. Get back on the horse and all that, we need to improve no doubt but let's not write us off completely yet

 

[pw362]

Barnsley lost eight on the trot and look how they turned it around. Who's to say that we won't do the same over the next 11 games. Wishful thinking maybe I know

 

[covcity4life]

Err, numpty, cc4l! That's exactly what we are saying.

To get 2 or 3 wins on the bounce we have to get that first win, but then that first win means nothing unless it is followed up by another 1 or 2 wins.

Some are saying about turning the corner on the back of 1 win.

We beat Blackpool and it will mean nowt unless we follow it with another win and then another.

Your lack of understanding is not my problem, sunshine!

What Otis said:






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makes no sense to act so bewildered at any fan that just wants to focus on winning next game though

its a step to the final goal

noone is gonna turn around and believe all is well with just 1 win anyway

 

[Otis]

We know how we can perform so I am unsure why playoffs is a distant chance now. Form is shocking granted but we need to get a result to get momentum going, only Wigan away is a non winnable game in my opinion. Get back on the horse and all that, we need to improve no doubt but let's not write us off completely yet

Well yep, but as Stupot said, we beat Crewe 5-0. That didn't get momentum going.

After that game we didn't win for 5 matches.

We beat Bury 6-0. That didn't get momentum going either.

Since that game we have lost 4 in a row.

Our two best results of the season.

Let's see how we get on against Blackpool, who are in terrible form and bottom 4.

Sort of game that has proved to be a banana skin for us in the past.

 

[Otis]

makes no sense to act so bewildered at any fan that just wants to focus on winning next game though

its a step to the final goal

noone is gonna turn around and believe all is well with just 1 win anyway

Some seemingly are!

May just be the same people though, win one game play-offs here we come, lose one, sack the manager!

 

[Otis]

Well yep, but as Stupot said, we beat Crewe 5-0. That didn't get momentum going.

After that game we didn't win for 5 matches.

We beat Bury 6-0. That didn't get momentum going either.

Since that game we have lost 4 in a row.

Our two best results of the season.

Let's see how we get on against Blackpool, who are in terrible form and bottom 4.

Sort of game that has proved to be a banana skin for us in the past.

No wins in 6 for them.

Would think that gives us a fair chance of getting something, but we are going to have to battle, cos I'm sure they will try and outmuscle us and fight for every scrap.

 

[covcity4life]

Some seemingly are!

May just be the same people though, win one game play-offs here we come, lose one, sack the manager!

well you would know!

mr optimsitic all season and now miserbale and negative as they come

 

[Otis]

well you would know!

mr optimsitic all season and now miserbale and negative as they come

Yeah, right, okay.

Not biting.

 

[hill83]

And in the unlikely event that we do reach that exhalted 6th place, we then have the play-offs so even then only a 25% chance of promotion.

Even if we make the playoffs we'll be 3-0 down inside 15 minutes in the first half of the first game.

 

[Otis]

Barnsley lost eight on the trot and look how they turned it around. Who's to say that we won't do the same over the next 11 games. Wishful thinking maybe I know

Thing is with Barnsley, I remember at the time when they kept losing, people were saying they were playing well but just not getting the results.

Our bad run has been on the back of bad performances.

Bit of a difference.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

I'm not sure why you got so many 'likes' because your logic is completely flawed. The better indicator is in Otis' original post, the number of points the 6th place team actually got. The number of points the 7th place team had is irrelevant. Your argument is based on changing the results of games and if you start doing that, the whole table changes because the points one team gets affects the points other teams get.

The only relevant thing to finishing 6th is how many points 7th got. It's an indicator, not an argument based on changing results.

 

[Otis]

The only relevant thing to finishing 6th is how many points 7th got. It's an indicator, not an argument based on changing results.

Disagree with that RT.

A team in 6th place can be 6 points clear of 7th going into the last game.

For the team in 7th it doesn't matter so much if they win they last match, because they can't catch the team in 6th.

Sometimes when you are out of the picture the last game or so can be a case of taking your foot off the peddle.

You can stick to your way of thinking if you wish, but no team has ever finished in 6th place on 66 points, or 67 points or 68 points.

The lowest total to reach 6th place is 69 points and that is the minimum we need to go for.

Your thinking is out of the box thinking, but that just does not work for me.

TM said we need 7 wins. That would be 73 points and should be enough. Much prefer his reasoning than yours to be honest.