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Lowest unemployment rate in decades and easing inflation will be the message. (Stock market is flying as well, but Biden likely won’t go there)
Again, Biden isn’t going to inspire Obama-like devotion, but that was true in 2020 too and it was still enough to win against a candidate who has only got more crazy since the last Election Day. If the economy holds up then it makes it a lot more difficult for swing voters to go for Trump, whose other two main messages are “Keep me out of prison” and “I won the last election, actually” - both of which are electoral poison to most people outside his base.
dutchman
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If you've ever tried getting a Dutch person to do anything you want them to do you'll know how pointless it is.
clint van damme
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He's actually doing pretty well on the economy, better than I thought he would. Inflation down to 3 percent and wages growing.
Still not sure a man of his age should go another term though but unfortunately that would leave a choice of 3 absolute wrong uns for POTUS
David O'Day
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Biden is the most economically successful president for quite a while, that coupled with Trump and the republicans ned to keep pushing an anti reproductive rights agenda will make it very hard for the republicans to win the swing vites they need.
The last midterms showed how much a drag that is on the republican vote
The last midterms showed how much a drag that is on the republican vote
Sky Blue Pete
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When given the choice between Jesus man and satan they will always go for Jesus
clint van damme
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And that's the thing with these trump supporters, it's not about improving their lot, it's about making life as uncomfortable as possible for people they don't agree with.
I’m not having that DOD. According to Biden and his supporters maybe but a lot of their facts are questionable/challengeable and there’s plenty of stuff that’s not mentioned by them and elements of the press. It’s also impossible to judge a PM/Presidents economic performance on first two years in office as a lot of what’s happening won’t be from what they’ve done but from macro economic factors and/or previous incumbents policy
I say this as someone who doesn’t want Trump anywhere near office, he’s a dangerous idiot, but I’m also not having Biden held out as some kind of political genius. It’s that type of stuff that will see him re-elected as democrats presidential candidate and in a worst case scenario Trump getting back in
Both sides in US are deluded/live in their own bubbles
clint van damme
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His performance is Stella compared to the clowns we've got in charge.
It's amazing what can happen when every policy you introduce doesn't come with the caveat of insuring it benefits your corporate, billionaire mates.
Got to be honest it's not something I expected from him and would sooner have had Saunders but credit where its due.
David O'Day
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Here's Clintons Treasury Sec pointing out how he is doing the best economically for decades that incluses the Cinton period
‘Bidenomics’ is working – which means Biden and the Democrats may win too | Robert Reich
Biden’s economic policies are the most successful in the US in decades. That puts the Democrats on a strong political footing
I think this post is spot on except I think it should be 'ensuring' no?
clint van damme
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It should of been, but insuring probably works!
And stellar
And Sanders!
Here's Clintons Treasury Sec pointing out how he is doing the best economically for decades that incluses the Cinton period
‘Bidenomics’ is working – which means Biden and the Democrats may win too | Robert Reich
Biden’s economic policies are the most successful in the US in decades. That puts the Democrats on a strong political footingwww.theguardian.com
Right, this is a long, dull one so anyone reading this make sure they’re sitting comfortably.
Id read the above article earlier today and assumed everyone else had when commenting on Bidens economic performance, however, I follow the U.S. economy quite closely and I personally think its way too early to tell. There’s good and bad but the article only focusses on the good. This isn’t an anti Biden rant, more to play devils advocate to highlight the not so good….
He hasn’t created the 13m jobs he stated, most are just pre pandemic jobs returning. The true figure is comparable to trumps first couple of years in office. They have the same tightness in labour market as us. Same unemployment rate as us
Policies helped to drive inflation (see covid cheques from him and Trump during what was a supply side crisis for starters). - It was the Feds aggressive rate rises that have helped cool it. The aggressive rate rises exported a lot of inflation abroad due to strong dollar last year (oil etc bought in dollars) as well as the excess demand on limited numbers of products/materials available post pandemic
Their 30 year mortgage rates are now currently around 7% so hardly anyone can move or afford to buy a new house. Bond rates pretty similar to ours
There is no doubt that significant government spending has boosted US gdp and is far better spent on infrastructure than some of Trumps tax cuts for richest, however, their debt to gdp ratio is now 130%, his policies have been inflationary so pushed rates up which means servicing debt has increased. if rates don’t go down quickly they’d have lost total control of debt - I personally think they already have (not just Bidens fault). Their debt service cost is now $1 tn a year !!! Yep, $1 trn just to service gov debt.
I like some of Bidens green initiatives and hopefully they’ll finally help turn America more green, although he’s got a long way to go. Has he put up taxes on oil ? Nope he bled their oil reserves dry to keep oil cheaper during last years price surge
Current approval rating of Bidens handling of the economy is around 35% in USA. This just feels low if everything’s going as well as the article suggests, especially considering the amount government spending. Maybe this will improve once benefits filter through. I saw today that productivity/output per employee hour had risen significantly which is a massive positive if it’s driven my economic policy
I personally think without world leading tech companies, endless supply of oil/fracked gas and having world reserve currency theyd be well and truly fucked by now.
Ps would I prefer Biden over Trump, any day, do I think he’s some kind of economic policy genius…I’ll wait before passing judgment. Should he get another term at his age, no way.
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rondog1973
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Just witnessed a hilariously deranged interview with Trump spokesperson Liz Harrington on C4 news. A full house on conspiracy theory bingo after about 2 mins in!
Terry_dactyl
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Trump is hoping his ‘free speech’ defense will work. It won’t | Margaret Sullivan
The first amendment is powerful but it doesn’t protect criminal behavior
dutchman
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Donald Trump says indictment is 'great badge of honour' - and another one will win him the election
The former president used a speech to Republicans in Alabama to say the multiple indictments against him have benefitted his 2024 presidential campaign.
news.sky.com
clint van damme
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He's going down with the Leicester, down with the Leicester, he's going down with the Leicester!.
clint van damme
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How many indictments is that now? Over 70?
How many of his close circle have been prosecuted or are facing charges?
Throw in his civil court conviction for rape and its incredible people defend him. Its a cult.
We’re at 91 indictments, I believe
jimmyhillsfanclub
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.......and he'll probably still win the next election.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Had a look at some polling data, Biden’s got net disapproval in the double digits and is polling 1-2% ahead of Trump in head to heads. If it’s like that now, once Trump coasts to the nomination and starts campaigning more aggressively, it wouldn’t be a surprise if he pulled ahead.
Sky Blue Pete
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Nothing fundamentally awful will happen with the world it’s just another tinpot democracy being taken over by populism
Brighton Sky Blue
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Could have had Sanders and Corbyn enacting policies that work and that are popular. Ended up with Trump and Johnson sending their respective countries back years on jingoistic nostalgia trips.
I personally think it would be a surprise. Notwithstanding the fact that 91 criminal indictments will make it so much more difficult for him to just do normal campaign stuff in 2024, the stuff that we’ll be hearing about from these trials is hardly going to help expand his base, and will turn off swathes of swing voters.
Frightening. I honestly think if Democrats put Biden up Trumps could well win. Still hoping both parties can dig out someone better. The country deserves better than those pair as their choice. Biden would probably be ok if he was 10-15 years younger but should be nowhere near power
clint van damme
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I think he will, I also think the Capitol Hill insurgency turned a lot of people against him, some very powerful people
clint van damme
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Biden is the best of the four being touted though I agree with your opinion of him.
They're going to end up with someone unsuitable whatever happens.
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s nice for Trump, but when you lost the previous election to the same guy by 74 electoral college votes, it’s not going to help you win in 2024.
