I do. Scientific progress has happened under all kinds of economic systems, even communism. Unless we think the wheel was VC backed.
Im not saying it wouldn’t happen at all but no chance at the same pace/level. Happy to be proved wrong with any examples of the fast growing, innovative communist countries…genuine question.
Even China which is ahead of a lot of western countries on tech nicked most of its intellectual property from the states and some from here/Europe (only now has the West woken up to it). Its basically embraced capitalism in a way which suits its government
Ps problem we’ve had in the West in recent times is unfettered/uncontrolled capitalism which is only increasingly working for the few. Push back is coming
Did we see a big productivity increase post 1980s reforms here and in the US? Not really. When we are inventing things like the car or the toilet we see significant gains but not so much with Disney+ and iPhones. Capitalism hasn’t slowed down the last 40 years but arguable relevant technological progress for the average man has. Capitalism now is an attention economy. And that’s the issue, it’s not concerned with anything but profit.
Communist Russia did OK at the start of the last century.
As I say, its difficult to defend some of the stuff that happens under ‘capitalisms’ name these days.
Whether we like and/or agree with how technological progress is utilised or harnessed is up for debate but there’s no debate to be had as to what system drove most of it
We have managed to send one useless freeloader over there this week, but perhaps I shouldn't talk about the home secretary like that
We’ve sent more Home Secretary’s there than we have asylum seekers. He’s the third.
It's not capitalism I don't think it's possible to say anymore, another word?
Inexplicably I can't seem to find the Taxpayers Alliance's report on this.
I think the £140 million is just what we have given to Rwanda. Of course the real cost must be much greater, especially the legal costs, not to mention all the Government, official and Parliamentary time and resources.
I think this is the biggest indicator of just how far we have lurched to the right in recent years. 'Sending them all back to Africa' was of course the principle policy of the National Front in the 70s and 80s, and was viewed as extreme at that time. Yet no condemnation of it on principle from Labour, they just focus on the Tories failure to tackle 'the problem of immigration'. Depressing times.
The expertise vested in the private sector in any case is often a result of public investment in education and research anyway.
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IIRC the £140M is just for the properties and 5 years of maintenance. The properties were supposed to be affordable housing for Rwandans but we’ve essentially stole them, although no doubt we’ve paid over the odds for them. Even if they get a property each we’ve apparently brought 100 properties based on that being the maximum amount of individuals they’re taking in a developing African country where the average wage is £161 per month we’ve brought affordable homes with 5 years maintenance at over a million pounds each. Don’t add up.
tbh how many have or haven't gone to Rwanda distracts from the main message that we're abdicating our responsibility to desperate people in coming up with such a policy in the first place.
And then imagine it's too toxic for Rwanda
I suppose they are literally illegal laws, at least they’re right there.
I was naive enough to think somebody had principles over the policy itself. More fool me!
Seen which way the winds blowing
strange as he’s suddenly sided with Bravermann when he was previously sunaks mate. Maybe Bravermann was looking after him when they worked together
It's not just a policy it's a law to say that something that isn't true is true. It really is incompatible with being a democracy let alone international law.
There’s always been rumour that an election would be called before numbers increased over late spring/summer when they’re likely to spike again. Just don’t see economic conditions being great for an election but Sunak might not have a choice if the nutters rebel and/or policy gets stuck in lords (which could be used as justification to go to the country). The bizarre thing is I think ‘boat numbers’ have reduced this year in particular economic migrants from Albania (significant reduction/increased returns this year and last) but nobody appreciates this as the nutters are focussed on Rwanda rather than singing their own praises in the press
Also comedy that Bravermann is still kicking up a stink when ‘legal’ numbers were out of control on her watch. Politics is a strange old game
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It won't matter I don't think?There’s always been rumour that an election would be called before numbers increased over late spring/summer when they’re likely to spike again. Just don’t see economic conditions being great for an election but Sunak might not have a choice if the nutters rebel and/or policy gets stuck in lords (which could be used as justification to go to the country). The bizarre thing is I think ‘boat numbers’ have reduced this year in particular economic migrants from Albania (significant reduction/increased returns this year and last) but nobody appreciates this as the nutters are focussed on Rwanda rather than singing their own praises in the press
Also comedy that Bravermann is still kicking up a stink when ‘legal’ numbers were out of control on her watch. Politics is a strange old game
Tbf anyone brave enough to row the seas in a dinghy in January, should be allowed a free pass and a trial to make the GB Olympic squad.
The reality is that stopping the boats would not feed people who can't afford food or heat their houses or indeed reduce homelessness. It also won't speed up proples' operations or ability to see a doctor or reduce the interest they pay on their mortgage. It's an attempt at distraction from the Government's failures over the last 13 years but I think it's irrelevant now.There’s always been rumour that an election would be called before numbers increased over late spring/summer when they’re likely to spike again. Just don’t see economic conditions being great for an election but Sunak might not have a choice if the nutters rebel and/or policy gets stuck in lords (which could be used as justification to go to the country). The bizarre thing is I think ‘boat numbers’ have reduced this year in particular economic migrants from Albania (significant reduction/increased returns this year and last) but nobody appreciates this as the nutters are focussed on Rwanda rather than singing their own praises in the press
Also comedy that Bravermann is still kicking up a stink when ‘legal’ numbers were out of control on her watch. Politics is a strange old game
We’ve had loads of laws that do that.
There’s always been rumour that an election would be called before numbers increased over late spring/summer when they’re likely to spike again. Just don’t see economic conditions being great for an election but Sunak might not have a choice if the nutters rebel and/or policy gets stuck in lords (which could be used as justification to go to the country). The bizarre thing is I think ‘boat numbers’ have reduced this year in particular economic migrants from Albania (significant reduction/increased returns this year and last) but nobody appreciates this as the nutters are focussed on Rwanda rather than singing their own praises in the press
Also comedy that Bravermann is still kicking up a stink when ‘legal’ numbers were out of control on her watch. Politics is a strange old game
Saw something interesting. YouGov salience of immigration as n issue for voters.
As a whole immigration has been dropping as a concern since 2016, to way below where it was. But it’s come up again. However only for Tory voters. Labour voters it’s still low, Tory voters it’s gone up to 2015 levels.
I do wonder if all the focus on it from Tories doesn’t do them more harm than good. I’ve seen someone say Sunaks big issue is he keeps focusing voters on things he can’t fix, possibly due to backbench pressure.
It’s the idea they all get benefits that gets me. I’ve seen quite a lot of actual hard right racist stuff on Twitter recently (Thanks Elmo), and it’s literally TikTok’s of a non white person with a council house and a bunch of racists going “See!! Illegals getting British people’s houses!!”
It would be good if there was a PR campaign about what exactly you get. Afaik benefits for immigrants are significantly below brits and for illegals it’s literally nothing.
This is where Sunak really has issues. He already has a big majority, in the unlikely event he wins even with a big majority nothing changes for him. He still has a lunatic fringe, his party is still a battleground and he won’t last a year as leader. The clamber for a headline to throw the nutters way has severely backfired and put the Tories in a position where the only possible outcome is they tear themselves apart.There’s always been rumour that an election would be called before numbers increased over late spring/summer when they’re likely to spike again. Just don’t see economic conditions being great for an election but Sunak might not have a choice if the nutters rebel and/or policy gets stuck in lords (which could be used as justification to go to the country). The bizarre thing is I think ‘boat numbers’ have reduced this year in particular economic migrants from Albania (significant reduction/increased returns this year and last) but nobody appreciates this as the nutters are focussed on Rwanda rather than singing their own praises in the press
Also comedy that Bravermann is still kicking up a stink when ‘legal’ numbers were out of control on her watch. Politics is a strange old game
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