Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (14 Viewers)

[Grendel]

It isn't Brierbart rubbish though is it?

The WHO sent this guy to investigate Wuhan lab, an investigation which took 3 hours. This same guy has a personal investment in the lab.

This isn't some anti-vaxx, covid-denier stuff.

You only have to read the rubbish on this thread to see the utter nonsense people believe in and are desperate to blame a sitting Tory government for anything and everything

Spy Poisoning

Just watching the latest conference from the Police. I can't believe the sentimentalised PR gushing from these guys mouths. Fair enough on the officer who's in Hospital. The rest of it appears to be on the level of a Clouseau film.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

 

[SBT]

Peter Daszak isn’t a crank, and nor is it unreasonable to question the WHO investigations into the Wuhan lab.

But is there some kind of smoking gun here in this email to Fauci? Not that I can tell. Even the US intel agencies don’t know what’s going on. There isn’t this sudden mountain of evidence pointing towards a lab leak, although the quality of the outlets jumping up and down about the possibility certainly isn’t helping its credibility.

 

[COV]

It isn't Brierbart rubbish though is it?

The WHO sent this guy to investigate Wuhan lab, an investigation which took 3 hours. This same guy has a personal investment in the lab.

This isn't some anti-vaxx, covid-denier stuff.

Actually it partially is, it’s also partially the usual anti-China rhetoric as some people are desperate to believe they did it all on purpose, and for whatever reason some people hate Fauci.

You’re just recycling rubbish you’ve read, don’t know why this speculation & rumour floats peoples boat so much, it’s proper naive stuff.

Check again, read more widely, don’t automatically believe everything you’re told and critically in this case learn what ‘gain of function’ means.

 

[COV]

You only have to read the rubbish on this thread to see the utter nonsense people believe in and are desperate to blame a sitting Tory government for anything and everything

Spy Poisoning

Just watching the latest conference from the Police. I can't believe the sentimentalised PR gushing from these guys mouths. Fair enough on the officer who's in Hospital. The rest of it appears to be on the level of a Clouseau film.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

I have missed something here obviously, what’s this got to do with the tories, how have they been involved with Fauci? (FYI I am not labour or Tory before that gets slung at me)

 

[Sick Boy]

Vaccine booked for 24th June - celebrating with some grappa.

 

[wingy]

Vaccine booked for 24th June - celebrating with some grappa.

Ouch!

 

[Sick Boy]

Ouch!

A mild 50%

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Actually it partially is, it’s also partially the usual anti-China rhetoric as some people are desperate to believe they did it all on purpose, and for whatever reason some people hate Fauci.

You’re just recycling rubbish you’ve read, don’t know why this speculation & rumour floats peoples boat so much, it’s proper naive stuff.

Check again, read more widely, don’t automatically believe everything you’re told and critically in this case learn what ‘gain of function’ means.

You've outdone yourself there. Pointing the finger at me for being ignorant and coming out with that? Impressive.

Anti-China rhetoric comes in many forms, some justified, some not. Either way, if you want to go down that hole - what should we do if a totalitarian regime released a biological weapon (deliberate or not deliberate) which has gone on to kill 3 million innocent people worldwide, crashing the global economy and costing trillions in the process? If it was up to you, probably wet the bed and shout racist.

Fauci has changed his stance on covid like the wind, and you cannot on the one hand bash people like Hancock and then praise him with the other. It makes you look silly.

Trump was an early advocate of the leak theory, yes, but it doesn't mean it is all empty and lacking, with anyone slightly suspicious being a loon or breitbart worshipper.

 

[COV]

You've outdone yourself there. Pointing the finger at me for being ignorant and coming out with that? Impressive.

Anti-China rhetoric comes in many forms, some justified, some not. Either way, if you want to go down that hole - what should we do if a totalitarian regime released a biological weapon (deliberate or not deliberate) which has gone on to kill 3 million innocent people worldwide, crashing the global economy and costing trillions in the process? If it was up to you, probably wet the bed and shout racist.

Fauci has changed his stance on covid like the wind, and you cannot on the one hand bash people like Hancock and then praise him with the other. It makes you look silly.

Trump was an early advocate of the leak theory, yes, but it doesn't mean it is all empty and lacking, with anyone slightly suspicious being a loon or breitbart worshipper.

Please show me where I have mentioned Hancock or Trump.

Alternatively you can admit you’re making things up.

 

[shmmeee]

In IT, usually a recipe for disaster.

Let’s take a job that hinges on absolute unambiguous communication and clarification and work with someone who doesn’t speak the same primary language. Genius.

To be honest,I’ve just seen the clip of her stating absolute facts to Dermot O’Dreary on that awful morning programme along with that tit Matthew Wright & his horrific ponytail & what she said was absolutely factually correct about the average age of death of corona victims etc
Because O’Dreary’s a mainstream media muppet who’s only good at reading from an autocue,he made himself look like an absolutely arrogant twat by speaking over her & not having the slightest clue what he’s on about - stick to presenting your X Factor tosh instead of presenting a 2 hour long morning programme Dermot...you‘re out of your depth son

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Please show me where I have mentioned Hancock or Trump.

Alternatively you can admit you’re making things up.

Grendel posted a link showing that the theory is now being investigated, which funnily enough wasn't copied and pasted from breitbart.

What exactly have I made up? You've tried to come on here and be all high and mighty, but it hasn't really worked.

You could admit yourself that you don't know what you are on about, and care more about nasty words being said about China, but your posts have already done that for you.

 

[baldy]

Lol turner is a thick as fuck moron

She might be but she was right on this occasion

 

[COV]

Grendel posted a link showing that the theory is now being investigated, which funnily enough wasn't copied and pasted from breitbart.

What exactly have I made up? You've tried to come on here and be all high and mighty, but it hasn't really worked.

You could admit yourself that you don't know what you are on about, and care more about nasty words being said about China, but your posts have already done that for you.

Well let’s see then, what have you made up.. You said I was talking about Trump (a lie), you said I was talking about Hancock (a lie), and you said that I am protective of China (a lie).

And with that I have dissected your post and shown you- to use your words- “exactly what you have made up”.

You have a definite habit of seeing things that simply aren’t there, whether it’s deliberate or some kind of affliction I don’t know, either way it is none of my concern.

As for the stuff about totalitarian regimes deliberately murdering millions of people in cahoots with dastardly US scientists, who have apparently helped fund the whole thing (and according to this theory who chat openly about it all on emails for anyone to come along and read), I think you’ve perhaps been watching too many Bond films.

 

[shmmeee]

She might be but she was right on this occasion

Nope. Full of utter utter shite. Seriously mate, listen to doctors not Z list celebs for medical advice.

 

[Grendel]

She might be but she was right on this occasion

She was about as right as David Ike

 

[PVA]

Tories gonna Tory

 

[shmmeee]

See Zahawi is blaming teachers for not getting enough money. They just lie and lie and lie and people eat it up.

 

[Ian1779]

See Zahawi is blaming teachers for not getting enough money. They just lie and lie and lie and people eat it up.

Peston is just a mouthpiece for the propaganda - lets Zahawi spout the lies unchallenged, and before you know it it’s virtually become fact despite being so far away from any actual reality it’s a joke.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

See Zahawi is blaming teachers for not getting enough money. They just lie and lie and lie and people eat it up.

Collins wanted £15 billion to pay for the extra costs of making us work at school for longer. That was the grand idea of the ‘tsar’. They do that I’ll leave at the first opportunity and so will the missus

 

[Ian1779]

Collins wanted £15 billion to pay for the extra costs of making us work at school for longer. That was the grand idea of the ‘tsar’. They do that I’ll leave at the first opportunity and so will the missus

Just use the money to reduce class sizes - it’s not that fucking difficult a concept.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just use the money to reduce class sizes - it’s not that fucking difficult a concept.

You do that it would be so transformative for teachers and students alike. But what we have instead is a very unimaginative response that will make children fed up and the staff want to leave. I already have workload problems as it is, finishing later and having more to do at home is the fastest way to get anyone to quit

 

[shmmeee]

Collins wanted £15 billion to pay for the extra costs of making us work at school for longer. That was the grand idea of the ‘tsar’. They do that I’ll leave at the first opportunity and so will the missus

The NEU disagree. Extra hours were voluntary and paid apparently.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The NEU disagree. Extra hours were voluntary and paid apparently.

Kevan Collins didn’t seem to think that.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well let’s see then, what have you made up.. You said I was talking about Trump (a lie), you said I was talking about Hancock (a lie), and you said that I am protective of China (a lie).

And with that I have dissected your post and shown you- to use your words- “exactly what you have made up”.

You have a definite habit of seeing things that simply aren’t there, whether it’s deliberate or some kind of affliction I don’t know, either way it is none of my concern.

As for the stuff about totalitarian regimes deliberately murdering millions of people in cahoots with dastardly US scientists, who have apparently helped fund the whole thing (and according to this theory who chat openly about it all on emails for anyone to come along and read), I think you’ve perhaps been watching too many Bond films.

You are so busy trying to get one over on me, that you have kind of gone off on a tangent (which is probably deliberate, but anyway). Most of your post is inaccurate (what a surprise), and again, you are making yourself look silly.

I didn't say you were talking about Trump. I used him to argue my point, which was that a lot of the early lab theory ideas were pushed by him and actually not taken seriously as a result of it. Equally with Hancock, my use of the word 'you' was not specifically aimed at you personally. It was a turn of phrase which inferred that any people who criticise (an example) Hancock cannot possibly give Fauci a free pass.

There is a link in this very thread saying there is an investigation into this leak theory, so I haven't made up anything. I know you a desperate for China not to be in the wrong but using Bond films as a counter argument is weird. Something has obviously been off about this from the start, and whilst the bat theory is still most probable in my eyes, you cannot just dismiss the lab leak because it doesn't agree with your politics, which is exactly what you are doing.

And with that I have dissected your post and shown you- to use your words- “exactly what you have made up”.

No, you haven't. You are busy trying to deflect from the main issue, which is that the lab leak theory does have some possibility of being true. In the process you have haven't dissected anything or shown that I've made anything up.

 

[chiefdave]

Just use the money to reduce class sizes - it’s not that fucking difficult a concept.

Even if there was enough teachers and the money to employ them is that actually possible? I live near the school I went to. When I was there in the late 80s class sizes weren't exactly small and there was more pupils than the buildings were designed for. Now the pupil numbers are far higher but there's been very little building done to improve the facilities and increase capacity.

 

[Grendel]

Well let’s see then, what have you made up.. You said I was talking about Trump (a lie), you said I was talking about Hancock (a lie), and you said that I am protective of China (a lie).

And with that I have dissected your post and shown you- to use your words- “exactly what you have made up”.

You have a definite habit of seeing things that simply aren’t there, whether it’s deliberate or some kind of affliction I don’t know, either way it is none of my concern.

As for the stuff about totalitarian regimes deliberately murdering millions of people in cahoots with dastardly US scientists, who have apparently helped fund the whole thing (and according to this theory who chat openly about it all on emails for anyone to come along and read), I think you’ve perhaps been watching too many Bond films.

FT goes full Casino Royale

How Biden came round to the Wuhan lab-leak theory

The belief that Covid escaped a Chinese laboratory is no longer dismissed as a Trump provocation

www.google.co.uk

The link probably doesn’t work but details why Biden is taking the hypothesis seriously

 

[shmmeee]

Even if there was enough teachers and the money to employ them is that actually possible? I live near the school I went to. When I was there in the late 80s class sizes weren't exactly small and there was more pupils than the buildings were designed for. Now the pupil numbers are far higher but there's been very little building done to improve the facilities and increase capacity.

We’re setting up schools in business parks and offices of course we can find more space.

Personally I’d reform the lot and move away from the idea of one well educated person teaching 30 to maybe one well educated person coordinating a team of 2/3 that teach 30.

You can also play around with the school day, some groups start earlier/finish later than others, send half the year for enrichment, etc etc.

And of course we can build more actual schools, though as they all look like car showrooms these days you may as well just take over offices.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Even if there was enough teachers and the money to employ them is that actually possible? I live near the school I went to. When I was there in the late 80s class sizes weren't exactly small and there was more pupils than the buildings were designed for. Now the pupil numbers are far higher but there's been very little building done to improve the facilities and increase capacity.

The Blair government went on a big investment drive in school facilities in the late 90s and early 00s, but most buildings have not seen investment since around that time. £15 billion invested in a similar drive to create the learning space needed and to boost retention of staff (which is a bigger problem than recruitment) and you could achieve it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Slow clap please...

 

[clint van damme]

You do that it would be so transformative for teachers and students alike. But what we have instead is a very unimaginative response that will make children fed up and the staff want to leave. I already have workload problems as it is, finishing later and having more to do at home is the fastest way to get anyone to quit

Friend of mines quitting.
They've pushed and pushed and pushed and she's had enough.
Works special needs and has to put up with all sorts of shit, she's been attacked multiple times but it's the current workload that's pushed her over the edge.
Eats into a ridiculous amount of her spare time.

 

[baldy]

Nope. Full of utter utter shite. Seriously mate, listen to doctors not Z list celebs for medical advice.

She was only saying something that's been on the ONS website for months

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Friend of mines quitting.
They've pushed and pushed and pushed and she's had enough.
Works special needs and has to put up with all sorts of shit, she's been attacked multiple times but it's the current workload that's pushed her over the edge.
Eats into a ridiculous amount of her spare time.

Mrs BSB has basically been marking essays continuously for the past 2 months, the stack of papers never seems to get lower. Last week she was crying hysterically because she couldn’t physically find the space to put the latest block. I do well to finish at 9 most nights, for her she’s been regularly going till midnight-1.

Making our classes smaller by 5 or more would make a huge difference to that.

 

[shmmeee]

She was only saying something that's been on the ONS website for months

No she wasn’t she was pushing anti vax nonsense about “it’s not a vaccine” (yes it is), “you can still catch it” (no shit, like every vaccine ever it’s not 100% effective). It’s just conspiracy drivel mate.

There’s a reason it’s fucking jumped up weather girls shouting this crap and not actual people involved in research and medicine.

 

[shmmeee]

Kevan Collins didn’t seem to think that.

Yes he did:

 

[chiefdave]

Why is Gove talking about extending furlough past September?

Even if we don't open up on 21 June surely by September pretty much everyone should have had one jab, think if we kept to the original timetable and 12 week gap (and we seem to be ahead and shortening the gap) everyone was double jabbed by mid-October.

What are they expecting to still be closed after that?