Actual Nazis in America (3 Viewers)

martcov

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Yes, moved on and swept more Antifa violence under the carpet. That's the point we are making.

It was a Nazi demonstration. It should have been condemned without putting counter protests into the frame. The point you are making is that protesting Nazis is as bad as taking part in a Nazi demonstration armed to the teeth shouting Nazi slogans. It isn't.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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My mates? Clueless? Look in a mirror regarding cluelessness. The Nazis suppressed free speech. Even if these Nazi clowns are in a minority, they stand for suppression of free speech. You don't get it do you? The demonstration was a demonstration as a show of Nazi ideals. If you take the line that counterprotesters are just as bad, you are deflecting from what is happening. Not all counter protesters are 'Antifa' in the sense of belonging to a violent movement. But all people marching and chanting 'Jews will not replace us' are not fine people as Trump claims some of them are. No fine people attend such a Demonstration in the Nazi Side.

No one is saying 'Nazi's are fine'. It is all in your imagination. Any positive comments towards people right from you is towards the common Trump supporter or conservative, not a group that want white supremacy.

I get that Nazi's are against free speech, I also get that Antifa are doing a better job of suppressing it in the current modern day, as per the 100 incidents previous to Charlottesville that you are pretending didn't happen.
 

scubasteve

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No it's not OK,but the racial tension in the US has been going on for years, same as the klan were lynching blacks long before trump was elected. But there has been no spike in hate crime against whites since trumps election, so no, it's not OK but it hasn't been exasperated by the current situation.
What has happened, due to the rhetoric used by trump, is there has been a spike in hate crime against minorities, again, it has always happened, but this has been exasperated by the rhetoric coming form the POTUS. Example, there has been a 30% increase on attacks on Jews - trump is responsible for emboldening the far right.

It trumps fault there are attacks on Jews, even though his is in bed with Israel and supports them as a state and foreign relations....... so he likes jews enough work with them but tells everyone to hate jews must have missed him telling everyone that.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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antifa are worse than Nazis - your words. I can't remember when antifa killed 6 million Jews but you carry on!!

In the past yes. They don't exist in almost any close capacity to that now. Just remember all the Socialism deaths if you want to dig up history...

In the modern day, the former are causing more problems.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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It was a Nazi demonstration. It should have been condemned without putting counter protests into the frame. The point you are making is that protesting Nazis is as bad as taking part in a Nazi demonstration armed to the teeth shouting Nazi slogans. It isn't.

No it isn't, but you are getting warmer. The penny is almost dropping...

Nearly everyone on the planet thinks it is ok to challenge a Nazi, what is not ok is for these same organisations to violently attack innocent people. They have kicked off numerous times and it has been let go. This time they kick off and it is in the media and they are painted like heroes, when in fact they are also a bunch of cunts.
 

martcov

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totally agree, the media said trump was wrong for not condemning the violence in Charlottesville on the Saturday, Sunday he condemns all right wing, Nazis etc. media then say its too late, on the Monday he condemns both sides for violence then the media goes into melt down for condemning a violent left movement. Lets be fair trump is a dick but the left and media hate him so much they literally jump on anything and spin it to fit a narrative.

It isn't just the media. It is people like Romney and Ryan. The republican leaders. This is not what people expect of the president of the United States. The US fought against Nazism. People chanting 'whose streets.. our streets' are clearly referring to how the SA won the battle for the 'streets' in Germany by intimidation and violence. The 'Antifa' don't come near the blatant provocation of these Nazis.
 

martcov

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In the past yes. They don't exist in almost any close capacity to that now. Just remember all the Socialism deaths if you want to dig up history...

In the modern day, the former are causing more problems.

Socialists are not holding torch lit rallies chanting violent slogans. The Nazis were at Charlottesville. That's the point. Trump owns a house there, so he knows the facts. Haha.
 

martcov

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No it isn't, but you are getting warmer. The penny is almost dropping...

Nearly everyone on the planet thinks it is ok to challenge a Nazi, what is not ok is for these same organisations to violently attack innocent people. They have kicked off numerous times and it has been let go. This time they kick off and it is in the media and they are painted like heroes, when in fact they are also a bunch of cunts.

No, they are not saints, but they didn't organize the torch light rally to chant hate slogans and they didn't kill anybody. So the bunch of cunts in this case are the Nazis. Trump should have stuck to that.
 

martcov

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Once again, I have to repeat myself whilst you try to mud the waters. I have no issue in people challenging the Nazi march, I have issue with the countless incidents previous where these 'resistance' groups have been rioting and causing violent attacks on innocent people, something you are oblivious and ignorant towards.

This is what people such as yourself don't understand. Everyone has condemned the Nazi march, it is like the Slade/Mowbray argument. Everyone unanimously knows the former is shit, but it is the latter that gets excused constantly.

I said terrorist atrocities, as I listed it was something as well as far left violence, the former mainly being attributed to Islam. If you want a few examples of your mates kicking off, see below:



Why are you defending and excusing this?


Where have I defended any on this list? Apart from most Americans thinking Trump handled it wrongly by saying ' many sides', Donald Trump himself indirectly admitted his statement was wrong in that, when he requoted it at his Parteirallye in Phönix, he did not requote ' many sides ' which is the phrase that attracts the criticism of him. This shows that he knows full well why he is being criticized.
 

martcov

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show me prof that he had help from Putin, do you want to talk about the millions in Saudi money Hillary took in donations to her election campaign? or does that not count. Think of it this way if trump is that bad and incompertant in you opinion, HOW BAD MUST HILLARY of been to not beat him to a election.

She did beat him in th the popular vote. 3 million votes. There is evidence of Russian support with fake news in social media especially in swing states. All of the US intelligence services agree on that. Collusion is what has not yet been proven.

Saudi is a deflection. We are talking about Charlottesville and Trump trying to dilute the Nazi guilt for the demonstration against democratic principles and the killing of a counter protester.
 

martcov

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So when a BLM member who was ex miltary said he hated white people and went on to shoot and kill 5 police officer is that ok by you. this also happened way before trump was elected was this down to his rhetoric?

Did the president of the USA say that many sides were responsible for the killings at the time?
 

martcov

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It trumps fault there are attacks on Jews, even though his is in bed with Israel and supports them as a state and foreign relations....... so he likes jews enough work with them but tells everyone to hate jews must have missed him telling everyone that.

If he emboldens the far right, then it is his fault- even if he did not mean it. It shows how incapable he is. He acts on impulse - which maybe ok for an estate agent/ property speculator, but is not ok for the leader of 325 million people.
 

clint van damme

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It trumps fault there are attacks on Jews, even though his is in bed with Israel and supports them as a state and foreign relations....... so he likes jews enough work with them but tells everyone to hate jews must have missed him telling everyone that.

there's actually plenty of evidence of anti Jewish rhetoric from trumps camp if not the man himself but you've missed the bigger point, his rhetoric and emboldened the extreme right wing.
Attacks are also up on Muslims, Latin Americans, Blacks and South east asians.
Many on the right have blamed trump for the rise but you're going to deny the link I suppose.

edit to say extreme right wing rather than right wing, not fair to tarnish everyone on the right with this.
 

clint van damme

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In the past yes. They don't exist in almost any close capacity to that now. Just remember all the Socialism deaths if you want to dig up history...

In the modern day, the former are causing more problems.

no they aren't, that's nonsense and you know it.
Just look at the spectrum of people blaming the extreme right, it's far from all lefties. It's a problem which you seem hell bent on ignoring for some reason.
 

scubasteve

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It isn't just the media. It is people like Romney and Ryan. The republican leaders. This is not what people expect of the president of the United States. The US fought against Nazism. People chanting 'whose streets.. our streets' are clearly referring to how the SA won the battle for the 'streets' in Germany by intimidation and violence. The 'Antifa' don't come near the blatant provocation of these Nazis.

TRUMP CONDEMNED THE NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISE MARCH he said it has no part in American society, did you just erase this from memory and focus on the bit where he also condemned antifa. ANTIFA turned up to fight if they didn't why wear amour and carry weapons. NO ONE is saying that the Nazi are in the right and by condemning antifa doesn't mean they support Nazi or are Nazi.
 

clint van damme

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TRUMP CONDEMNED THE NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISE MARCH he said it has no part in American society, did you just erase this from memory and focus on the bit where he also condemned antifa. ANTIFA turned up to fight if they didn't why wear amour and carry weapons. NO ONE is saying that the Nazi are in the right and by condemning antifa doesn't mean they support Nazi or are Nazi.

Romney: Trump Must Apologize for Charlottesville Response

you still probably won't get it but try reading this.
 

scubasteve

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She did beat him in th the popular vote. 3 million votes. There is evidence of Russian support with fake news in social media especially in swing states. All of the US intelligence services agree on that. Collusion is what has not yet been proven.

Saudi is a deflection. We are talking about Charlottesville and Trump trying to dilute the Nazi guilt for the demonstration against democratic principles and the killing of a counter protester.

you brought up the Hillary and they election........ she took money from a foreign state to help in the election bid. there is no evidence in the collusion with Russia after a year of saying trump is in bed with Russia
and by your she got 3 million more votes, first its called the electoral college vote and secondly if you want to go by who got more votes does that mean in our election before last did UKIP deserve more seat in parliament? they had 3.9 million vote in 2014 and got 1 seat.
 

Liquid Gold

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It's strange that those arguing in support of nazis keep saying nazi's and don't know the difference between have and of. It's almost like a lack of intelligence leads to right wing nonsense.
 

martcov

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TRUMP CONDEMNED THE NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISE MARCH he said it has no part in American society, did you just erase this from memory and focus on the bit where he also condemned antifa. ANTIFA turned up to fight if they didn't why wear amour and carry weapons. NO ONE is saying that the Nazi are in the right and by condemning antifa doesn't mean they support Nazi or are Nazi.

The demonstration was a show of force by the Nazis. The Nazi paroles, the torch lit march, the beating of a black man and the killing of a counter protester were the things for the president to unequivocally condemn. He refused and brought other people- including non antifa extremists- into the picture. He then even claimed that there were fine people on both sides. There were no fine people shouting " Jews will not replace us " "whose streets... our streets". There may have been fine people non violently protesting Nazism though, but they were counted as " many sides" in the condemnation by Trump.
 

Grendel

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It's strange that those arguing in support of nazis keep saying nazi's and don't know the difference between have and of. It's almost like a lack of intelligence leads to right wing nonsense.

Given that you decided everyone over a certain age is a baby boomer c**t I'd suggest trying to mock other people's lack of intelligence is possibly not the best angle to take.
 

Liquid Gold

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Given that you decided everyone over a certain age is a baby boomer c**t I'd suggest trying to mock other people's lack of intelligence is possibly not the best angle to take.
Nah just you being a c**t really. I have no prejudice against anyone but wankers. Which you clearly are.
 

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