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[CCFCSteve]

Hancock unsurprisingly getting torn to shreds at the inquiry.

And equally unsurprisingly he's absolutely full of shit and utterly deluded.

Still trying to paint himself as the hero. The c**t should be in prison.

He’s deluded. As much of a narcissist as Johnson. Hope they pinned him on the care home call/lies

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Is this pretty much the same deal that wasn’t put to members in Feb/March ? (only change being government U turn over ticket offices?)

Great that its finally over at least, especially in time for Christmas for travellers and employees/members

Pretty much not the same deal given that rather large change. Your favoured party once again wasting fortunes to try and win an ideological battle.

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[fernandopartridge]

Hmm it's the politics thread so...

Would Alistair Darling be delighted to get such fullsome praise off Theresa May and Jeremy Hunt?

Well yeah most probably given what he was promising in 2010

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[CCFCSteve]

Pretty much not the same deal given that rather large change. Your favoured party once again wasting fortunes to try and win an ideological battle.

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I still think it should’ve been put to members back in March, which I think inc no compulsory redundancies until 2025. From memory TSSA put it to members and it was good enough for them.

Each to their own though.

 

[skybluetony176]

I still think it should’ve been put to members back in March, which I think inc no compulsory redundancies until 2025. From memory TSSA put it to members and it was good enough for them.

Each to their own though.

Hasn’t every new offer been put to members?

 

[David O'Day]

I still think it should’ve been put to members back in March, which I think inc no compulsory redundancies until 2025. From memory TSSA put it to members and it was good enough for them.

Each to their own though.

TSSA are mostly back office so the ticket office closures wouldn't of really affected them so what is your point there?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Hasn’t every new offer been put to members?

No. The one mentioned wasn’t

Edit - from memory. It was in relation to National Rail but not rail operators. Might be wrong but think that was the case

 

[CCFCSteve]

TSSA are mostly back office so the ticket office closures wouldn't of really affected them so what is your point there?

The point is the offer was put to members and they accepted. I personally think it’s should’ve been put to RMT members in Feb/March. If it had then it may have been accepted. We’ll never know.

 

[rob9872]

ASLEF have rejected their offer.

 

[skybluetony176]

No. The one mentioned wasn’t

Edit - from memory. It was in relation to National Rail but not rail operators. Might be wrong but think that was the case

I think it was

RMT update on new Network Rail pay offer and referendum

Rail union, RMT will hold a referendum on a new and improved offer from Network Rail on pay and benefits.

www.rmt.org.uk

Pretty sure every new offer was put to members. RMT recommended that they didn’t accept every new offer including the current one, members voting this time to accept despite the recommendation from RMT.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I think it was

RMT update on new Network Rail pay offer and referendum

Rail union, RMT will hold a referendum on a new and improved offer from Network Rail on pay and benefits.

www.rmt.org.uk

Pretty sure every new offer was put to members. RMT recommended that they didn’t accept every new offer including the current one, members voting this time to accept despite the recommendation from RMT.

That related to members who worked for NR but as I say from memory it wasn’t put forward in relation to members that worked for rail operators. Very confusing !

Had to google to check I wasn’t going mad. The good old Bracknell news explains

RMT members at Network Rail accept offer to end dispute

The union said the deal includes an uplift on salaries of between 14.4 for the lowest paid grades to 9.2 for the highest paid.

www.bracknellnews.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Labour lads on here, why the fuck would I vote for a party containing ghouls like this



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[clint van damme]

Labour lads on here, why the fuck would I vote for a party containing ghouls like this



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So she's a tory enabler but if we don't vote for her version of the Labour party we're tory enablers?

 

[David O'Day]

Lads, she isn't up for election next time so chill you tits and stop being weird twats who look for reasons to "say oh look at this, why would I blah, blah fucking blah"

Cool, don't vote labour but it seems like most people are so them's the breaks.

 

[clint van damme]

Lads, she isn't up for election next time so chill you tits and stop being weird twats who look for reasons to "say oh look at this, why would I blah, blah fucking blah"

Cool, don't vote labour but it seems like most people are so them's the breaks.

She's the embodiment of the current Labour Party though.
Yes, most people are going to vote for them, the British electorate loves a centre right party.

 

[skybluetony176]

Labour lads on here, why the fuck would I vote for a party containing ghouls like this



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I get your point but she’s stepping down at the next election so no one will be voting for either her or a party with her in.

Shit though in it. Other than new manager bounce it’s hard to see what difference labour is offering. Mick Lynch listed a few things in his Andrew Marr interview but he was struggling to sell it other than the country needs a change in government.

 

[wingy]

Lads, she isn't up for election next time so chill you tits and stop being weird twats who look for reasons to "say oh look at this, why would I blah, blah fucking blah"

Cool, don't vote labour but it seems like most people are so them's the breaks.

Well who's going to be the replacement for her wing?
Something along the lines of a civil servants son getting selected by 8 Postal votes?

 

[David O'Day]

She's the embodiment of the current Labour Party though.
Yes, most people are going to vote for them, the British electorate loves a centre right party.

is she fuck Clint she's the past and is rightly standing down

 

[Ian1779]

Lads, she isn't up for election next time so chill you tits and stop being weird twats who look for reasons to "say oh look at this, why would I blah, blah fucking blah"

Cool, don't vote labour but it seems like most people are so them's the breaks.

Not nearly as twatty as some of the skeletons in her closet.

With a past like hers, Margaret Hodge might show a bit more humility

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is this pretty much the same deal that wasn’t put to members in Feb/March ? (only change being government U turn over ticket offices?)

Great that its finally over at least, especially in time for Christmas for travellers and employees/members

Didn’t the government admit that it would have been cheaper to just accede to the union’s original requests instead of carrying on a dispute, but they did the latter for political reasons?

 

[David O'Day]

Not nearly as twatty as some of the skeletons in her closet.

With a past like hers, Margaret Hodge might show a bit more humility

yeah and she is standing down, still she's never voted tory

 

[Ian1779]

yeah and she is standing down, still she's never voted tory

Remember kids, overlooking the behaviour of nonces is fine if you are a sensible grown up politician

 

[Hertsccfc]

She's the embodiment of the current Labour Party though.
Yes, most people are going to vote for them, the British electorate loves a centre right party.

They probably do. I really don't, but if it's a choice between that and an extreme right one I guess I will probably vote for them.

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

Hancock unsurprisingly getting torn to shreds at the inquiry.

And equally unsurprisingly he's absolutely full of shit and utterly deluded.

Still trying to paint himself as the hero. The c**t should be in prison.

It was so bad he managed to kill a guy

 

[Hertsccfc]

Hancock unsurprisingly getting torn to shreds at the inquiry.

And equally unsurprisingly he's absolutely full of shit and utterly deluded.

Still trying to paint himself as the hero. The c**t should be in prison.

He probably should be but I think it is becoming clear that the ones more deserving of prison are Johnson and most of all Sunak.

 

[duffer]

Lads, she isn't up for election next time so chill you tits and stop being weird twats who look for reasons to "say oh look at this, why would I blah, blah fucking blah"

Cool, don't vote labour but it seems like most people are so them's the breaks.

There's nothing weird about challenging and highlighting the rapid movement of the Labour party from the centre left to the centre right under Starmer et al.

There are people who get outraged by any criticism of Starmer because they think it might hurt Labour's electoral prospects, but are willing to completely overlook Labour MPs (MPs mind you), working actively to sabotage Labour's chances in the last election. Now that's weird.

If the only reason left for voting Labour is that they're not quite the current iteration of the Tory party, then cool, fill your boots mate. I'd just like to see a party that actually stands for something.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There's nothing weird about challenging and highlighting the rapid movement of the Labour party from the centre left to the centre right under Starmer et al.

There are people who get outraged by any criticism of Starmer because they think it might hurt Labour's electoral prospects, but are willing to completely overlook Labour MPs (MPs mind you), working actively to sabotage Labour's chances in the last election. Now that's weird.

If the only reason left for voting Labour is that they're not quite the current iteration of the Tory party, then cool, fill your boots mate. I'd just like to see a party that actually stands for something.

Still the only vote at the next general election
Then they have a term to show the sort of country they want to realise
Democracy as we all know is the worst form of government except for everything else

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There's nothing weird about challenging and highlighting the rapid movement of the Labour party from the centre left to the centre right under Starmer et al.

There are people who get outraged by any criticism of Starmer because they think it might hurt Labour's electoral prospects, but are willing to completely overlook Labour MPs (MPs mind you), working actively to sabotage Labour's chances in the last election. Now that's weird.

If the only reason left for voting Labour is that they're not quite the current iteration of the Tory party, then cool, fill your boots mate. I'd just like to see a party that actually stands for something.

While lunatic far right people like Braverman get senior cabinet roles, it is seen as ‘unelectable’ to do things like support striking union members on picket lines or even just verbally support them.

 

[Grendel]

Still the only vote at the next general election
Then they have a term to show the sort of country they want to realise
Democracy as we all know is the worst form of government except for everything else

Well it isn’t the only vote is it

 

[shmmeee]

There's nothing weird about challenging and highlighting the rapid movement of the Labour party from the centre left to the centre right under Starmer et al.

There are people who get outraged by any criticism of Starmer because they think it might hurt Labour's electoral prospects, but are willing to completely overlook Labour MPs (MPs mind you), working actively to sabotage Labour's chances in the last election. Now that's weird.

If the only reason left for voting Labour is that they're not quite the current iteration of the Tory party, then cool, fill your boots mate. I'd just like to see a party that actually stands for something.

Like we have Labour MPs now working to sabotage Starmer? Like we have Tory MPs trying to sabotage Sunak? Like Sunak tried to Sabotage Johnson and Truss? Like Brown sabotaged Blair and Blair sabotaged Brown?

Welcome to broad party politics.

Corbyn lost because of Corbyn. Come to terms with that instead of looking for a boogeyman.

 

[shmmeee]

While lunatic far right people like Braverman get senior cabinet roles, it is seen as ‘unelectable’ to do things like support striking union members on picket lines or even just verbally support them.

One is selected by the PM, the other is selected by the electorate. Happy to help.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

One is selected by the PM, the other is selected by the electorate. Happy to help.

The point being that the threshold to be called far right by the electorate is much higher than that to be called far left. Sending asylum seekers to Rwanda equals moderate, supporting the right to strike equals communist.

 

[shmmeee]

Still the only vote at the next general election
Then they have a term to show the sort of country they want to realise
Democracy as we all know is the worst form of government except for everything else

No Pete! What will happen as Starmer walks into Downing Street is he’ll be hit by a pang of fear. “Why did differ vote Green??” And shift his entire policy platform.

 

[Grendel]

The point being that the threshold to be called far right by the electorate is much higher than that to be called far left. Sending asylum seekers to Rwanda equals moderate, supporting the right to strike equals communist.

Nothing like a bit of hyperbole to wake up to on a Saturday morning

 

[shmmeee]

The point being that the threshold to be called far right by the electorate is much higher than that to be called far left. Sending asylum seekers to Rwanda equals moderate, supporting the right to strike equals communist.

Braverman is disliked by 41% of the electorate. She is frequently called far right.