skybluetony176
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Yeah I think so. Finland kicked its arse.
USSR invades Ukraine. (11 Viewers)
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AOM
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David O'Day
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As Finland for deffo don't have any plans to join NATO we are at the "spout any nonsense and the western media will post it as a new serious issue" stage of the news cycle
Otis
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That'll learn them.
That’s not what Finland’s former PM thinks….
Anyway, as we all know, this was all NATO’s fault to begin with, so I’m sure if Finland and Sweden do apply to join then people will fully understand if Putin invades them as well.
tisza
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This is where it seems counter-productive.
Putin may have a rhetoric for his own people about the Ukraine but all he has done is "frighten" other nations who are more likely to boost NATO presence or add NATO protection. Too many of the leadership of the NATO states bordering Russia & Ukraine are of an age when they remember Soviet occupation and the regimes they propped up.
PM here is fooling no-one with his talk. Is mis-reading his own support base. Thinks energy security is more important message than national security.
skybluetony176
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Ferage thinks he’s a hero in Finland because a Finnish right wing MEP once hugged him. I’d imagine Finnish people are looking at Ukraine right now and thinking EU freedoms or vulnerable to Russia? We’ll take the EU freedoms thanks. Same for Poland which the Brexit press were salivating over the prospect of Polexit not that long ago when the Polish government tried to water down its legal system in a way that would threaten their EU membership. I bet they too are thinking that actually being part of the EU isn’t that bad , as they have Russia invading their neighbour from another one of their neighbours. Especially as I think I’m correct in saying that Belarus contest land on their Polish border I would think that Poland is feeling quite grateful for being EU and NATO members right now.
David O'Day
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He's not the PM anymore and his party not in power. I hate to be the one to say this but much like the weirdos derping about Corbyn what does it matter what he thinks? The current PM etc don't have any intention of joining nato.
This is the same as when John Major or Tony Blair tell people we should rejoin the EU
skybluetony176
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Finally
Left with no choice after the EU announced it.
Left with no choice after the EU announced it.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Tony, if you are intent on making this thread entirely about the EU then you need to have a bit of self-awareness.
The EU is dragging is legs on most of the stuff at the moment, and its response is some of the weakest there is out there. In fact, the response has been shameful and embarrassing quite frankly. I do not know how they can stand idly by like this. I am dumbfounded in truth.
Current PM:
Unlike Sweden, Finland has adopted a so-called “NATO option” provision, which means that “if Finland’s security requires it, Finland has the opportunity to apply for membership,” Prime Minister Sanna Marin said.
Grendel
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Italy and Germany are about the only countries refusing to ban Russia from swift aren’t they - that United old Europe
Anger explodes at Germany, Italy, and Hungary over Europe’s failure to cut Russia off from SWIFT payment network – Fortune
Grendel
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It’s all about brexit
www.independent.co.uk
Germany and Italy have ‘disgraced themselves’ over Russia sanctions, Donald Tusk says
‘In this war everything is real: Putin’s madness and cruelty, Ukrainian victims, bombs falling on Kyiv – only your sanctions are pretended’
www.independent.co.uk
skybluetony176
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That can’t be true. The EU is a dictatorship that allows no country within it it’s own sovereignty. How quickly you forget.
Grendel
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I think it’s safe to say the cosmetic sanctions imposed by the EU are just for the round of applause but hey it’s brexit wot did it
www.reuters.com
Insight: How a German state helped Moscow push a pipeline, weakening Ukraine
In the north German state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where former Chancellor Angela Merkel had her constituency, ties to Russia run deep – so deep, in fact, its leaders have defended a Kremlin project that the United States says helped cripple Ukraine.
tisza
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That was her position a month. Lot changed since then.
Finnish opinion polls have steadily be moving towards a pro-NATO stance over recent years and mistrust etc. of Russia has seemingly risen at the same rate.
tisza
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Remarkably courageous thing to do.
As Putin is telling the world the last few days people must be allowed to express themselves away from tyranny of corrupt govt!! Do as i say not as I do
David O'Day
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Grendel
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was being the operative word
Amid Russian Military Ops In Ukraine, Finland PM Says Country Ready To Join NATO If It Comes To National Security
Finland is ready to apply for NATO membership if it becomes a matter of national security, Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said. “Finland is ready to apply for NATO membership if the issue of national security becomes acute,” Marin said at a parliament’s session, as quoted by the Yle...
eurasiantimes.com
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Which given what has just happened to Ukraine would have me reaching for the phone to get a membership card pronto.
It shows he won't attack NATO countries. So be a NATO country and you're safe.
Grendel
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lol I think they’d be refused entry for a while
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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For someone who didn't want NATO troops on his border:
1. Launching an invasion is a surefire way to bring them there.
2. Taking over Ukraine gives you a big border with a NATO country (and Latvia and Estonia already do anyway)
Almost like he's itching for someone to do something so he can start a proper war.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Wonder how Putin is selling the threats of action against Sweden and Finland as aggression against Russia?
tisza
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Too much testosterone. Judo, ice hockey, hunting, walking around in the snow with his shirt off.
Spent all this money on new "toys" desperate to play with them. He just loved sitting there telling the world to butt out or there would consequences the like the world has never seen before.
Grendel
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given Germany and Italy have already conceded defeat on sanctions I guess he doesn’t care
clint van damme
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invade them?
Bugsy
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skybluetony176
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Must have took your advice. Sanctions are pointless was your line of defence wasn’t it?
Marty
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Superb idea, might as well bomb the French on the way over.
