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italiahorse

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Kind of makes you wonder whether at some point those people wearing Wasps gear will receive a fair amount of hostility from city fans in the street.

Yes, perhaps we can start on the kids first because they won't fight back. :angelic:
Can't see people lowering themselves to that.
 

Tad

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No, it's not the Wasps fans fault SISU can't run a bath, so I don't agree with this idea. Rugby's a equally great sport and the Wasps are doing what they can to improve themselves. If you want to blame someone, tell SISU to either learn how to run a club or leave.
 

Nick

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No it's not the Wasps fans fault SISU can't run a bath, so I don't agree with this idea. Rugby's a equally great sport and the Wasps are doing what they can to improve themselves. If you want to blame someone, tell SISU to either learn how to run a club or leave.

It is ok, when they decide they want to improve themselves by moving away all of the fans will be behind it!
 

Tad

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So, just to be clear, you don't agree that they should try to improve themselves here in Coventry? Because I know of another club who didn't keep fighting to do that now in league 1 with awful owners with poor business skills...
 

Nick

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So, just to be clear, you don't agree that they should try to improve themselves here in Coventry? Because I know of another club who didn't keep fighting to do that now in league 1 with awful owners with poor business skills...

No, I am saying by improving ourselves it means 80 miles people will be onto it calling it good business.
 

torchomatic

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So, just to be clear, you don't agree that they should try to improve themselves here in Coventry? Because I know of another club who didn't keep fighting to do that now in league 1 with awful owners with poor business skills...

So you were against Sixfields but you are for Wasps moving 85 miles permanently to another city?
 

Tad

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Bit different and you know it.
 

torchomatic

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Tad

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Because the club couldn't survive in their previous home. Their options were limited, they nearly went bust, they didn't have a permanent home, their local council and them couldn't make an agreement on a new stadium and worst of all, their support was small. It wasn't in till cups at the Ricoh they saw crowds for them increase dramatically and with situation with the Ricoh giving them more choice and freedom, they made the jump.
 

Nick

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Because the club couldn't survive in their previous home. Their options were limited, they nearly went bust, they didn't have a permanent home, their local council and them couldn't make an agreement on a new stadium and worst of all, their support was small. It wasn't in till cups at the Ricoh they saw crowds for them increase dramatically and with situation with the Ricoh giving them more choice and freedom, they made the jump.

What about the offers they had down south for a new stadium they declined?

The Premiership club were invited in as partners by the landowners, Legal & General, and the local Hertsmere Borough Council, with a 15,000-seater stadium worth £22 million and a hotel on site for added revenue. But Wasps wanted to own and control it. End of deal.

What you have described is pretty much CCFC, I am sure if they could you would back moving 85 miles then?
 

torchomatic

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Because the club couldn't survive in their previous home. Their options were limited, they nearly went bust, they didn't have a permanent home, their local council and them couldn't make an agreement on a new stadium and worst of all, their support was small. It wasn't in till cups at the Ricoh they saw crowds for them increase dramatically and with situation with the Ricoh giving them more choice and freedom, they made the jump.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...e-to-send-themselves-to-coventry-9789348.html
 

torchomatic

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Because the club couldn't survive in their previous home. Their options were limited, they nearly went bust, they didn't have a permanent home, their local council and them couldn't make an agreement on a new stadium and worst of all, their support was small. It wasn't in till cups at the Ricoh they saw crowds for them increase dramatically and with situation with the Ricoh giving them more choice and freedom, they made the jump.

Our club can't survive without a ground and the academy. Options are limited. Is it OK if we build a stadium just outside Newquay?
 

Nick

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Why is it CCFC fans are on here preaching about Wasps having to move because they couldn't survive, just as CCFC are in a much worse position?
 

torchomatic

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Why is it CCFC fans are on here preaching about Wasps having to move because they couldn't survive, just as CCFC are in a much worse position?

As I said in another post. This wouldn't happen if we were in Sheffield, Nottingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle. They would stick up for their club. But no, not this lot. We really are doomed.
 

Tad

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That article repeats everything I've just said. Also, stop blaming Wasps for SISU being shite at their job.

Our club can't survive without a ground and the academy. Options are limited. Is it OK if we build a stadium just outside Newquay?
Might as well. They're not even a shadow of the club they once were thanks to awful owners. The last nail went in when Highfield went.
 
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Nick

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Yes, exactly. They didn't as the attendances wouldn't keep them safe

Might as well. They're not even a shadow of the club they once were thanks awful owners. The nail was when Highfield went.

Ha, I think that pretty much sums up our support doesn't it.

Fucking jokers.
 
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torchomatic

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That article repeats everything I've just said. Also, stop blaming Wasps for SISU being shite at their job.


The nail was when Highfield went.

True, but even you can't blame them for that.
 
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Tad

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Indeed
Ha, I think that pretty much sums up our support doesn't it.

Fucking jokers.
Sad, but true. Can you blame people though? There comes a point where you just think enough is enough.
 

torchomatic

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Indeed

Sad, but true. Can you blame people though? There comes a point where you just think enough is enough.

When the going gets tough. Give up.
 

Nick

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Indeed

Sad, but true. Can you blame people though? There comes a point where you just think enough is enough.

Enough is enough, I am going to go onto a CCFC forum and preach about how they had to move. No doubt be outraged as shit about CCFC if they had to move when they are in a much worse situation that Wasps were, meanwhile still preaching about how Wasps moving is great and they had to.

Maybe they can move another football team in.
 

Tad

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I didn't say they had to move. I said SISU's awful management is what's causing these issues.
 

Tad

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You don't know they will be, but I would welcome new owners.
 

TheRoyalScam

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I bought a Coventry business a few years ago, with an established reputation and plenty of customers. Although not an expert myself, I was happy with the management team I installed, and everything went well for a while. I even managed to sell a couple of assets that I'd inherited with the business (although a few of my customers got twitchy feet about this, asking me where my 'ambition' was...)

After a while it became obvious to me that serious investment was required to take the business to the next level. Unfortunately the funds were not available - my modus operandi is not to invest but asset strip, so I decided on a different path. I could keep the business running by selling assets, including new assets that my business had developed.

By selling these assets I was also cutting my operating costs. However there was one cost that remained constant - the rental on my newly built business premises. When I took over the business this rent amounted to circa 10% of my total costs - now, through shrewd selling of assets and reducing wages, I had stripped my fixed costs to the bone, yet the rental remained the same.

So I decided to just stop paying the rent! My plan was simple - distress the operating company which ran the business premises, hopefully bankrupting them, then buy them out for peanuts! Trebles all round for us. It was disappointing that a lot of my customers didn't agree with this way of doing business, and my company's turnover decreased as a result.

Eventually I had to file for administration because the management company didn't like the fact I wasn't paying rent.

Happily my company came out of administration and shrewdly kept the important 'operator's licence' to carry on in business.

And I had yet another clever plan - I took the business over the county border to smaller premises. Because it was an hour away customers and turnover dropped to a bare minimum, but this was all part of my master plan. Using the legal system I could blame it all on established local businesses/charities/councils and batter them in the courts!
Although it's cost my business a lot of funds to go to court, and a succession of judges have ruled against us, I'm pleased to say we're still trading. And we're still threatening court action!

What amazes me is that despite all of this nobody wants to agree rental deals with my company.

Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
 

Ian1779

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I bought a Coventry business a few years ago, with an established reputation and plenty of customers. Although not an expert myself, I was happy with the management team I installed, and everything went well for a while. I even managed to sell a couple of assets that I'd inherited with the business (although a few of my customers got twitchy feet about this, asking me where my 'ambition' was...)

After a while it became obvious to me that serious investment was required to take the business to the next level. Unfortunately the funds were not available - my modus operandi is not to invest but asset strip, so I decided on a different path. I could keep the business running by selling assets, including new assets that my business had developed.

By selling these assets I was also cutting my operating costs. However there was one cost that remained constant - the rental on my newly built business premises. When I took over the business this rent amounted to circa 10% of my total costs - now, through shrewd selling of assets and reducing wages, I had stripped my fixed costs to the bone, yet the rental remained the same.

So I decided to just stop paying the rent! My plan was simple - distress the operating company which ran the business premises, hopefully bankrupting them, then buy them out for peanuts! Trebles all round for us. It was disappointing that a lot of my customers didn't agree with this way of doing business, and my company's turnover decreased as a result.

Eventually I had to file for administration because the management company didn't like the fact I wasn't paying rent.

Happily my company came out of administration and shrewdly kept the important 'operator's licence' to carry on in business.

And I had yet another clever plan - I took the business over the county border to smaller premises. Because it was an hour away customers and turnover dropped to a bare minimum, but this was all part of my master plan. Using the legal system I could blame it all on established local businesses/charities/councils and batter them in the courts!
Although it's cost my business a lot of funds to go to court, and a succession of judges have ruled against us, I'm pleased to say we're still trading. And we're still threatening court action!

What amazes me is that despite all of this nobody wants to agree rental deals with my company.

Honestly, you couldn't make it up.

Perhaps you could write a Wasps themed one where they abandoned their home, having scant regard for their fans, heritage and history, followed by an anthology of superb business skills based on spending other people's money, despite making out they are some financial powerhouse.

It would be a fucking hoot.
 

TheRoyalScam

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Perhaps you could write a Wasps themed one where they abandoned their home, having scant regard for their fans, heritage and history, followed by an anthology of superb business skills based on spending other people's money, despite making out they are some financial powerhouse.

It would be a fucking hoot.

They had to 'abandon their home', so your premise doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you could write it yourself. What have these Wasps got to do with my story exactly?
 

torchomatic

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Perhaps you could write a Wasps themed one where they abandoned their home, having scant regard for their fans, heritage and history, followed by an anthology of superb business skills based on spending other people's money, despite making out they are some financial powerhouse.

It would be a fucking hoot.
It could be called; London and Coventry a Tale Of Two Cities

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torchomatic

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They had to 'abandon their home', so your premise doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you could write it yourself. What have these Wasps got to do with my story exactly?
No they didn't.

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Nick

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They had to 'abandon their home', so your premise doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you could write it yourself. What have these Wasps got to do with my story exactly?

Wasps have everything to do with this thread doesn't it? Unless you posted on the wrong one.

It turns out they didn't have to abandon anything. Still, people keep spinning their PR every time. Even city fans.
 

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