Is every dog that's bigger than 5 stone now an XL Bullie?
About time owners were tested before they were allowed to have a dog.
Agree with PVA. These dogs are bred to behave in a certain way and as such are a ticking timebomb, it's very sad really as it's not the poor dog's fault. In reality even aside from this we need more stringent dog ownership laws in this country.
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Agree with PVA. These dogs are bred to behave in a certain way and as such are a ticking timebomb, it's very sad really as it's not the poor dog's fault. In reality even aside from this we need more stringent dog ownership laws in this country.
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In reality I’m not sure how you can ban them. It’s a cross breed and the breed can be slightly altered if needed to.
I don’t actually know what the solution is
Agree with PVA. These dogs are bred to behave in a certain way and as such are a ticking timebomb, it's very sad really as it's not the poor dog's fault. In reality even aside from this we need more stringent dog ownership laws in this country.
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I mean they are, but in the Bully’s case it was bred to be docile and family friendly while looking like it’s on steroids.
They were bred for fighting and the cross breeds used was for power
What’s your source for that? Pit bulls sure, American Bullies I’m not so sure. Certainly if you listen to the guy who bred them.
It's totally unworkable. All that will happen is responsible breeders will continue to be responsible and responsible owners will continue to be responsibleIn reality I’m not sure how you can ban them. It’s a cross breed and the breed can be slightly altered if needed to.
I don’t actually know what the solution is
The charming chap told me these dogs aren’t aggressive and my dog is. I pointed out to him if you had 4 people charge towards you what would you do?
I said your not supposed to have any dogs off leads there’s a sign and I’m going to report you. He said he’d smash my face in and his dogs would “defend me” - the girl with him did look pretty ashamed
They were bred in the US as fighting dogs
Half of all XL Bully dogs in Britain descend from 'Killer Kimbo'
Research has shown how decades of inbreeding has produced generations of violent animalswww.telegraph.co.uk
This is a better article. They are bred from breeds to have greater muscle and crucially jaws so they can attack and then you can’t remove it from its prey
All the claims made by Bully XL owners to defend the dog breed, debunked
How claims like 'all dogs can be aggressive' and a ban would 'punish innocent dogs' stack up against the realityinews.co.uk
Both are paywalls so can’t read. But most of this “research” comes from someone who trawls Facebook groups and believes everything they read. There’s very little confirmed data on specific breeds involved in attacks. And claiming to be able to trace genealogy through marketing posters is frankly ludicrous.
Read any history of the breed not from an alarmist source from the last few months and you’ll consistently see it referred to as bred to be a companion dog.
It’s not a registered breed - it isn’t a breed at all?
Both are paywalls so can’t read. But most of this “research” comes from someone who trawls Facebook groups and believes everything they read. There’s very little confirmed data on specific breeds involved in attacks. And claiming to be able to trace genealogy through marketing posters is frankly ludicrous.
Read any history of the breed not from an alarmist source from the last few months and you’ll consistently see it referred to as bred to be a companion dog.
The American Bully?
I have read the articles which describe them as an amazing family dog
I’d suggest a hybrid originating from the American Pitbull - which was a dog bred originally to fight in war - isn’t the best choice
Also understand the breed does not exist here. What you’ve got is a hybrid variance of the Pit Bill crossed with Bulldogs or Bull Terriers. There is no consistency.
Any dog has an ability to attack but this dogs various hybrid variances is bred for muscle power and it’s facial structure is designed so it’s jaws can lock down and hold.
Any vet would tell you that but the crucial thing is there is no such breed in the UK. It’s a hybrid so when banning it you have to go through 50 or 60 kennel club tests to determine if it’s the breed - as there’s no breed registered it can’t be banned
The XL is not a registered breed in his country - so no it doesn’t exist as a pure breed it’s a hybrid
Blue Cross wrote about this when the ban was first announcedIsn’t the XL just a big Bully? Like the Mini is a small one.
So before they do anything a breed definition has to be agreed upon and given the arguments between experts you see in court for dogs who do have a breed definition that may be easier said than doneBecause American bully XLs are crossbreeds and Kennel Club breed standards do not exist, there are currently no exact specifications for this dog.
The government has announced that it will work with experts to “define the ‘American XL bully’ breed type. This group will include police, canine and veterinary experts, and animal welfare stakeholders.”
By not breeding this dog, one assumes...All that will happen is responsible breeders will continue to be responsible and responsible owners will continue to be responsible
exactly, the responsible breeders won't breed the dog, and quite possibly don't now. But if you've ever dealt with a responsible breeder you would know it's not just a case of turning up with the cash and buying the dog. It will involve multiple visits and potentially the breeder visiting your own home to ensure your suitability.By not breeding this dog, one assumes...
The point being though, if there's legislation it's easier to penalise them isn't it.exactly, the responsible breeders won't breed the dog, and quite possibly don't now. But if you've ever dealt with a responsible breeder you would know it's not just a case of turning up with the cash and buying the dog. It will involve multiple visits and potentially the breeder visiting your own home to ensure your suitability.
phone a backyard breeder and its how soon can you be here with the cash. those breeders aren't going to stop when there's money to be made. if anything they will now be able to charge more
But that's exactly the point all the experts in this area are making. It's not being made easier to penalise people and get dangerous dogs off the streets as breed specific legislation is an absolute clusterfuck that was rushed in. There were already laws in place to deal with dangerous dogs and they are still the laws more often used as the dangerous dogs act is pretty much useless.The point being though, if there's legislation it's easier to penalise them isn't it.
If you're legally allowed to own the dog, it destroys everything in its path Godzilla style, then the owners just couldn't see it coming that their nine stone of pure muscle could massacre the entire area.
Much easier to enforce a dog licence and make every dog owner have to register all the dogs they own.
It could work, if it was actually enforced.except those who can’t be bothered won’t get one
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