XG underperformers (1 Viewer)

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

Just seen an interesting stat on twitter.

Someone has accumulated all individual player data available for xG underperformance from 17/18 until now. Essentially the worst finishers in the world, where there is xG data available.

Two of our former players, who’ve had spells with us since 17/18 appear in the bottom 50 finishers on the list. Can you guess who they are?

peteCCFC · Dec 18, 2024

Waghorn.
Thomas Asante.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

peteCCFC said:
Waghorn.
Thomas Asante.

No and no

Sick Boy · Dec 18, 2024

Biamou.

Jamesimus · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Just seen an interesting stat on twitter.

Someone has accumulated all individual player data available for xG underperformance from 17/18 until now. Essentially the worst finishers in the world, where there is xG data available.

Two of our former players, who’ve had spells with us since 17/18 appear in the bottom 50 finishers on the list. Can you guess who they are?

Hiwula and Bakayoko?

Luke Thomas as an outside guess

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

No to all 4 of those.

SkyBlueBarmy84 · Dec 18, 2024

O’Hare

Jamesimus · Dec 18, 2024

Tyler Walker?

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

SkyBlueBarmy84 said:
O’Hare

That’s one.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

Jamesimus said:
Tyler Walker?

Nope

Jamesimus · Dec 18, 2024

Okay last guesses for me.

Gyokeres and Godden

napolimp · Dec 18, 2024

Clarke-Harris and O'hare?

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

Nope to all those

COH is one.

the other wasn’t with us long.

fernandopartridge · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Just seen an interesting stat on twitter.

Someone has accumulated all individual player data available for xG underperformance from 17/18 until now. Essentially the worst finishers in the world, where there is xG data available.

Two of our former players, who’ve had spells with us since 17/18 appear in the bottom 50 finishers on the list. Can you guess who they are?

Gyokeres probably one of them and the other Godden?

fernandopartridge · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
?

Ccfcisparks said:
Nope to all those

COH is one.

the other wasn’t with us long.

Chaplin?

Mucca Mad Boys · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Nope to all those

COH is one.

the other wasn’t with us long.

Chaplin?

napolimp · Dec 18, 2024

Not going to bother guessing because I just looked it up. I'm surprised he even managed enough shots at goal to have a poor xg.

Mucca Mad Boys · Dec 18, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
Chaplin?

Snap!

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

Not Chaplin.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

This xG isn’t exclusive to just his spell with us, but all clubs he’s played for from 17/18 till now.

Jamesimus · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
This xG isn’t exclusive to just his spell with us, but all clubs he’s played for from 17/18 till now.

Sean Maguire?

napolimp · Dec 18, 2024

Jamesimus said:
Sean Maguire?

There's always one who looks it up to make themselves look smart.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

Jamesimus said:
Sean Maguire?

You got it!

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

There’s the bottom 50. COH statistically the 32nd worst finisher is most major leagues in that period. He’s scored 11 less than expected!

covcity4life · Dec 18, 2024

O hare and Sean Maguire

Covcity4life is always right!!!

TomRad85 · Dec 18, 2024

Maguire happy just to get a mention I reckon.
Always thought Bamford was an absolutely atrocious footballer. How he's played at the level he has, I have no idea.

Ccfcisparks · Dec 18, 2024

COH scored 4 less than expected in our first champ season and 7 less than expected in the second. To be fair last season he did score 2 more than expected so does give credence to his finishing having improved when he came back from injury.

interesting reading.

in his only Championship season Biamou scored 3.3 goals less than expected @Sick Boy

SBAndy · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
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There’s the bottom 50. COH statistically the 32nd worst finisher is most major leagues in that period. He’s scored 11 less than expected!

Any way to filter it to ‘per 90 mins’?

skybluecam · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
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There’s the bottom 50. COH statistically the 32nd worst finisher is most major leagues in that period. He’s scored 11 less than expected!

McGoldrick is also on there.

Also statistically flawed, this punishes poor finishers who are great at getting chances. % of xg converted would probably be a better stat.

fernandopartridge · Dec 18, 2024

SBAndy said:
Any way to filter it to ‘per 90 mins’?

The table has a 90s column so presumably divide the G-xG figure by the figure in that column.

fernandopartridge · Dec 18, 2024

skybluecam said:
McGoldrick is also on there.

Also statistically flawed, this punishes poor finishers who are great at getting chances. % of xg converted would probably be a better stat.

It's not statistically flawed, it's telling you who poor finishers are not penalising players for being poor finishers

SBAndy · Dec 18, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
The table has a 90s column so presumably divide the G-xG figure by the figure in that column.

Yeah but I’m not doing that for 50 players.

skybluecam · Dec 18, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
It's not statistically flawed, it's telling you who poor finishers are not penalising players for being poor finishers

It is.

Who’s the better finisher? A player who had 100 xg and scored 90 or a player who had 10 xg and scored 1? It’s obviously the first one, but since this stat is a simple subtraction it will rank the first guy “worse”.

Cov98 · Dec 18, 2024

Is there a bigger list available? Would be very interesting to see.

Mucca Mad Boys · Dec 18, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
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There’s the bottom 50. COH statistically the 32nd worst finisher is most major leagues in that period. He’s scored 11 less than expected!

Out of the time frame, but there’s McG too!

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