Sky Blue Kid
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@ Skyblueweeman........ Everyone has an opinion mate, here's mine http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/may/19/roman-abramovich-chelsea-loan-debt
Thought I'd ask this question. Would you ever want CCFC to be bought out and become a English and European powerhouse but at the same time lose all atmosphere, have no or little English players in the squad, have fans coming from abroad pricing out casual fans (like what they're protesting about at Liverpool at the moment) and having people infront of you with selfie sticks and cameras out all game taking pictures?
I spoke to a Man City fan the other day and he said he won't be going to games anymore under the current regime - it just doesn't feel like my club anymore he said, I preferred when we were shit.
So what's your take on this? Obviously it'd be great seeing CCFC in Europe again and competing with the best but I can understand how it can alienate fans.
when it hits the buffers they turn into Coventry City , we are so used to wank and shit it's the only thing we knowIt's all very well jumping on the "Gravy Train" now, but what happens when it hits the buffers? I've got a few friends that are Chelsea fans, and they're dreading the day Abramovic pulls the plug.
when it hits the buffers they turn into Coventry City , we are so used to wank and shit it's the only thing we know
but if that gravy train pulled up in front of me I'm jumping the fuck on and enjoying the ride for once
One more thing SBWM How do you think Abramovic got his money? by giving it away? lmfao.
@ ccfc92....... Abramovic was instrumental in bringing firstly Yeltsin to power in Russia, then Putin. He was accused at one time of stealing millions of gallons on fuel oil from 5 tankers worth an estimated 3.8b Roubles but somehow was swept under the carpet. It was alleged that he had deliberately forged documents for 3million kg of diesel fuel carried in five railway tankers to the value of 3.8bn roubles that were “emptied and appropriated.” He was arrested and remanded in custody on the grounds of the seriousness of the offence and fears that he might try and escape. Mr Abramovich claimed there were “problems with the banking system” and there was a delay in the refinery receiving the money, but he said once the money was paid he was released and the “problem disappeared all by itself.” ................... So as you can see, he's not a man who gives away money for nothing
Shocked at some of the replies to this thread.
Man City and Chelsea (at no fault of their supporters) are in many ways a disgrace to football. The fact that between them they have 3/4 English players in their entire squads is terrible.
Don't get me wrong some form of success would be great, but the Premier League is nothing what it was when we were last there.
I was on the Stoke City forum not long back and they were all saying how they missed the old days of going to small old crumbling away ends with character and atmosphere. Although its great being in the Premier League, spending 50 quid on an away ticket in a ground with no atmosphere and tourists everywhere is no fun.
At the moment, yes it is difficult to support CCFC, but I enjoy being able to turn up to an away game on a cold December afternoon, paying 20 odd quid and seeing the same faces I do week in week out. I wouldn't get that if I supported Chelsea and Man City.
As much as I love watching it, I dislike the Premier League, it doesn't seem like proper football anymore. I look at FC United Of Manchester and think I'd rather support them than Man United.
Shocked at some of the replies to this thread.
Man City and Chelsea (at no fault of their supporters) are in many ways a disgrace to football. The fact that between them they have 3/4 English players in their entire squads is terrible.
Don't get me wrong some form of success would be great, but the Premier League is nothing what it was when we were last there.
I was on the Stoke City forum not long back and they were all saying how they missed the old days of going to small old crumbling away ends with character and atmosphere. Although its great being in the Premier League, spending 50 quid on an away ticket in a ground with no atmosphere and tourists everywhere is no fun.
At the moment, yes it is difficult to support CCFC, but I enjoy being able to turn up to an away game on a cold December afternoon, paying 20 odd quid and seeing the same faces I do week in week out. I wouldn't get that if I supported Chelsea and Man City.
As much as I love watching it, I dislike the Premier League, it doesn't seem like proper football anymore. I look at FC United Of Manchester and think I'd rather support them than Man United.
I would really like to see a sensible limit put on the number of foreign players a club can have in their squads, but I suppose that would fall foul of EEC rules.
Its all well and good saying other clubs supporters miss the old days of crumbling grounds and teams full of English players but realistically if we, or any other club, want to compete at the top we have to move with the times. Unless the whole of football changes radically the only way to compete is to spend big. The other option is not to compete at that level. I know which one I'd prefer.
When I see teams lifting the PL trophy or winning the FA Cup I don't see many of their fans in the stands looking miserable wishing for the 'good old days'.
Its all well and good saying other clubs supporters miss the old days of crumbling grounds and teams full of English players but realistically if we, or any other club, want to compete at the top we have to move with the times. Unless the whole of football changes radically the only way to compete is to spend big. The other option is not to compete at that level. I know which one I'd prefer.
When I see teams lifting the PL trophy or winning the FA Cup I don't see many of their fans in the stands looking miserable wishing for the 'good old days'.
One more thing SBWM How do you think Abramovic got his money? by giving it away? lmfao.
Shocked at some of the replies to this thread.
Man City and Chelsea (at no fault of their supporters) are in many ways a disgrace to football. The fact that between them they have 3/4 English players in their entire squads is terrible.
Don't get me wrong some form of success would be great, but the Premier League is nothing what it was when we were last there.
Its all well and good saying other clubs supporters miss the old days of crumbling grounds and teams full of English players but realistically if we, or any other club, want to compete at the top we have to move with the times. Unless the whole of football changes radically the only way to compete is to spend big. The other option is not to compete at that level. I know which one I'd prefer.
When I see teams lifting the PL trophy or winning the FA Cup I don't see many of their fans in the stands looking miserable wishing for the 'good old days'.
That's to do with governance though, no? They aren't breaking rules.
Morally, I agree with your point and I think it's been detrimental to the English national side. But if we were in the Premier League and had millions to spend and were getting into the Champions League by signing Johnny Foreigner instead of Billy Brit, I don't think we'd be too worried.
I might be wrong, but you don't hear fans of the likes of Man City/Chelsea saying 'D'you know what...we won the title, but I won't celebrate it until we win with 5 English kids in the side'.
I do get your point mate, but the clubs aren't breaking the rules...governance and the way the whole game is run needs to change and things need to be fairer to all.
WM
Not absolutely sure here SBK but I think there are tax advantages to loaning rather than gifting finance to the Club.@ Skyblueweeman.......Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, as am I. Although how can you say... "My point was that I don't think (my opinion only) that he'll screw over Chelsea for nearly £1bn when he leaves."...... when he has clearly "loaned" the money to Chelsea, and wouldn't be "Screwing over Chelsea" He would be legally recalling in the loan. Tell you what, lets wait and see eh?
@ Skyblueweeman........ Everyone has an opinion mate, here's mine http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/may/19/roman-abramovich-chelsea-loan-debt
I'd like Coventry city to be the next Bury. Decent owners and money for new players.
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