Would you rather be 20th in the Championship? (1 Viewer)

I'm enjoying it much more.
But I'd still prefer us to be in the Championship.
I hope we haven't found our level. Anything more than 2 seasons stuck in this league and we won't be the 'big boys' anymore and will steadily decline.

Depends whether we were 20th in the Championship on the way up or 20th in the Championship on the way down.

There's no point in being 20th on the way down cos we'd simply be relegated again.

Agree with hill83, enjoying this season much much more... I'd go as far as the past 10 years! But (& it's a big but) we need to find our place doing well in champ. A decent cup run also helps

Planned relegation?

ampthill_sba said:

I very much doubt it...

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Cheaper wages.
Main crux of the rent argument. (Average league one rent)
Big fish in a small pond.
Better chance of success with the budget- increase attendances- fans more supportive on all SISU decisions, as they are seeing success on the pitch.

With this budget still in this championship this season. We would have signed 3-4 players and be in a relegation battle.


Pitfalls?

On a personal opinion
The Feel good Factor, is higher as a team on the up in the 1st div, Rather than a struggling side in the championship, if we continue our recent form it will reflect in attendance figures too, the whole experience of supporting the sky Blues has been enhanced by the number of genuine goal attempts, we are definately a side worth watching under Mark Robins, and I believe that with a little financial support, we could take this division by storm , Lets hope our owners can smell the coffee Just as much as the fans can.
Tankie

dongonzalos said:

Cheaper wages.
Main crux of the rent argument. (Average league one rent)
Big fish in a small pond.
Better chance of success with the budget- increase attendances- fans more supportive on all SISU decisions, as they are seeing success on the pitch.

With this budget still in this championship this season. We would have signed 3-4 players and be in a relegation battle.

... And we had o many chances to get ourselves out of the relegation zone, we didn't.

Pitfalls?

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Your letting a good conspiracy get in the way of facts.

What you forgot; loss in revenue, so can't make up on investment.

SkyBlue_Taylor said:

Your letting a good conspiracy get in the way of facts.

What you forgot; loss in revenue, so can't make up on investment.

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How much revenue do think we have lost?

I can only think of TV money.

Their plan back fired a little by the dodgy start,

However if they were in the top two from the start of the season then they would have reasonably expected crowds of 20k.

This would have offset some of the loss from tv sponsorship.

Our biggest cost was wages the relegation allowed most of the highest earners to go.
New signings were free transfers on league one wages.

Again this reduction in wages would far out weigh the drop in tv rights.

dongonzalos said:

How much revenue do think we have lost?

I can only think of TV money.

Their plan back fired a little by the dodgy start,

However if they were in the top two from the start of the season then they would have reasonably expected crowds of 20k.

This would have offset some of the loss from tv sponsorship.

Our biggest cost was wages the relegation allowed most of the highest earners to go.
New signings were free transfers on league one wages.

Again this reduction in wages would far out weigh the drop in tv rights.

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Sorry don, I don't buy it. The idea was to cut the wage bill and hope to just stay up.

Lost £4m in TV and premier league money and down about £1.5 on ticket sales because we're 4k down on the average crowds.

That's before you start thinking about reduced shirt sales, programmes, sponsorship deals etc.

The telegraph estimated that our player wage bill was about £5.5m last season, this season the 'player budget' is rumoured to be about £4m.

I would much prefer to be in the Championship cus then wins would mean more cus we're up against better teams and the overall football would be better

Conjecture I know- But I'd wager a few quid that if we were in the Championship, with this manager we wouldn't be 20th.

In MR we trust.. like us....its in his blood :claping hands:

stupot07 said:

Sorry don, I don't buy it. The idea was to cut the wage bill and hope to just stay up.

Lost £4m in TV and premier league money and down about £1.5 on ticket sales because we're 4k down on the average crowds.

That's before you start thinking about reduced shirt sales, programmes, sponsorship deals etc.

The telegraph estimated that our player wage bill was about £5.5m last season, this season the 'player budget' is rumoured to be about £4m.

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Was it really 4 million that we have lost in television money?

Where is that figure from.

I also thought our player budget was 3.5 million now to be honest.

Which is significantly reduced from last year.

I think they planned for it.

If we get promoted and they fund us next year.

It would be hard to say it was a bad plan.

However I don't agree with the rent thing they should sign the deal tomorrow

Can't remember enjoying a season this much since Dion/Huckerby/Whelan days!

dongonzalos said:

Planned relegation?

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Sounds a bit extreme when you say it but why didn't they back Thorn to keep us up but they have backed Robins to get us up?

I'm enjoying this season as much as any for a long time.

For me it doesn't matter what league we are in, passion from players and fans and success would be a new thing for me as a city fan

skybluesteve76 said:

Sounds a bit extreme when you say it but why didn't they back Thorn to keep us up but they have backed Robins to get us up?

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Getting relegated weren't a bad thing for us, we've got rid of Cranie and Clingan, high earners who were shit, or just not worth the money they were on, and we've been able to get more players with equal, or better quality, the only place we'd have to improve is winger(s), a CB, a LB & possibly a GK to compete at Championship level (mid table).

But the difference in centralised handouts between the second tier and League One is well over £3m and all Football League payments will be lower next season because of a 26 per cent fall in TV rights money.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...entry-face-financial-abyss.html#ixzz2HlcnkX1M

SkyBlue_Taylor said:

Getting relegated weren't a bad thing for us, we've got rid of Cranie and Clingan, high earners who were shit, or just not worth the money they were on, and we've been able to get more players with equal, or better quality, the only place we'd have to improve is winger(s), a CB, a LB & possibly a GK to compete at Championship level (mid table).

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Wages wise. Cranie, Clingan, Keogh, Platt, Fatswood.
Hussey. ( I think they planned for Wood to go)
Jukes wages. Herman.
Norwood and Nimely loan wages.

Replaced with free transfers and loaners on league one wages.

dongonzalos said:

Wages wise. Cranie, Clingan, Keogh, Platt, Fatswood.
Hussey. ( I think they planned for Wood to go)
Jukes wages. Herman.
Norwood and Nimely loan wages.

Replaced with free transfers and loaners on league one wages.

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Not just that, we've had the chance to rebuild ourselves, which we've done. We needed to get Cranie and Clingan off the wage bill, Keogh, no, Platt, YES! Waste of money, Eastwood, definitely! Herman, waste of space, Juke, well, we sold him, but Norwood and Nimely, I don't think we made contributions to their loans...

I think it's safe to say, the old 'RICOH' acronym will probably be true, we have got quality and quantity in most areas, we've got a good manager, who knows what he is doing, and we're on the up as a club. I don't think anyone would plan 'relegation', but last year, the ownership didn't back the mnager either because of: no trust of the manger, or didn't have the funds to sign good Champ players.

SkyBlue_Taylor said:

Not just that, we've had the chance to rebuild ourselves, which we've done. We needed to get Cranie and Clingan off the wage bill, Keogh, no, Platt, YES! Waste of money, Eastwood, definitely! Herman, waste of space, Juke, well, we sold him, but Norwood and Nimely, I don't think we made contributions to their loans...

I think it's safe to say, the old 'RICOH' acronym will probably be true, we have got quality and quantity in most areas, we've got a good manager, who knows what he is doing, and we're on the up as a club. I don't think anyone would plan 'relegation', but last year, the ownership didn't back the mnager either because of: no trust of the manger, or didn't have the funds to sign good Champ players.

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It can't have been lack of trust in the manager last season, as they let him sign 9-10 players this summer.

Also look at his couple of signings last season Murphy, Cody, Norwood and Nimely.

I know some will question Cody generally though he signed well with very limited backing.

We were in a relegation battle. They sold our top scorer.
Who was not banging on the door demanding to go.

We got between 750k to 1 million and no out and out striker line up as a replacement.

It was this point when I think they decided relegation would not be a bad option.

Otherwise sell juke and use half the money in a replacement who can give us a chance of staying up.

Or

Work out is 750k worth the money lost for relegation

SkyBlue_Taylor said:

Not just that, we've had the chance to rebuild ourselves, which we've done. We needed to get Cranie and Clingan off the wage bill, Keogh, no, Platt, YES! Waste of money, Eastwood, definitely! Herman, waste of space, Juke, well, we sold him, but Norwood and Nimely, I don't think we made contributions to their loans...

I think it's safe to say, the old 'RICOH' acronym will probably be true, we have got quality and quantity in most areas, we've got a good manager, who knows what he is doing, and we're on the up as a club. I don't think anyone would plan 'relegation', but last year, the ownership didn't back the mnager either because of: no trust of the manger, or didn't have the funds to sign good Champ players.

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Clingan was the worst captain i've ever seen. Only ever sayin bad things to his players ont he rare occasion of him saying anything at all, and he was a bloody awful player in his last year. Cranie was decent, but overrrated. We're not missing him so we can do without him. Keogh, he was priceless. We've got Edje now so thats softened the blow a bit, but i cant say i dont miss him, so i'd give out some more wages to keep him. Platt, too old, too slow, not scoring enough goals, goodbye. Eastwood, should have shown him the door sooner. Herman, could have been good for us if he didnt get injured but he was bound to leave anyway. His experiance could have really helped the youngers like Willis, J. Clarke and Christie. Juke, would have loved to keep him, but he wanted to be at a bigger club and who can blame him. I love City, but in a professional point of view, Boro was the better option, we showed that in may. Nor wood and Nimmers were great singings. Norwoods long balls and Nimely's chance creating ability really helped us and i really wanted them to stay, but the wages would have been huge and we're not missing them that much so its a price worth paying to lose them. The only players i think really we could have kept were Keogh and Norwood. Keogh loved the club and i think 1 high earner is acceptable considering what he did for the club. Olly has gone to Huddersfield with slightly higher wages than we could have offered him. He wanted to leave United and judging by his move to Huddersfield, wages wernt an issue, but we've got a good and capable squad and we've took out the trash and cleared the wage bill so we cant really complain