Would you pay more ? (1 Viewer)

ccfcway · Oct 22, 2017

Talking point....

Clearly were are now getting to the point where we are down to the hard core fans who will go whatever the results / division we are in.

My question is, if you knew the money was guaranteed to go to MR to strengthen in Jan, would you pay an additional amount on top of your ST / entrance fee to enable us to push on ?

We have 6 homes games left in 2017. An additional £5 per fan per game from 7000 people would be over £200k to spend on a player in Jan.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Oct 22, 2017

ccfcway said:
Talking point....

Clearly were are now getting to the point where we are down to the hard core fans who will go whatever the results / division we are in.

My question is, if you knew the money would go to MR to strengthen in Jan, would you pay an additional amount on top of your ST / entrance fee, if it was guaranteed to MR to enable us to push on ?

We have 6 homes games left in 2017. An additional £5 per game from 7000 people would be over £200k to spend on a player in Jan.

The trouble is we will need to spend more than £200k !!!

Otis · Oct 22, 2017

ccfcway said:
Talking point....

Clearly were are now getting to the point where we are down to the hard core fans who will go whatever the results / division we are in.

My question is, if you knew the money was guaranteed to go to MR to strengthen in Jan, would you pay an additional amount on top of your ST / entrance fee to enable us to push on ?

We have 6 homes games left in 2017. An additional £5 per fan per game from 7000 people would be over £200k to spend on a player in Jan.

Yep. If guaranteed.

Adge · Oct 22, 2017

Na not for me, dread to think of all the brass they have had off me since 1983 and look where my investments have ended up.

Suffolk sky blues · Oct 22, 2017

Overpriced now.

Esoterica · Oct 22, 2017

If you can guarantee it gets us promoted and then SISU sell up once we're back in L1 I'd even pay £5.50.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Oct 22, 2017

Dare I suggest the money will go straight into SISU's coffers anyway. We're all paying far too much as it is.

chiefdave · Oct 22, 2017

If it was going to Robins then I probably would. Would be happier if they introduced a pay per goal system.

dongonzalos · Oct 22, 2017

Only if it has to go on a striker

steve82 · Oct 23, 2017

It's a no from me.

Simply down to the fact that even I knew in the summer what it takes to get out the division and not done any fa courses worth noting.

Plus the fact that Accrington have proved they can be very competitive on average gates of 2000/3000 with a manager who's found a way to be competitive, get goals and be resilient at the back.

We could possibly do the same under MR if "he" changes things.

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 23, 2017

No chance we pay more than enough, they need to sell more advertising etc anymore that we pay will only keep this scum here longer.

I think the plying budget would be the same if 20k were in the ground every week.

slyblue57 · Oct 23, 2017

No. I m at the limit of what i ll pay to watch this level of football and i ve a season ticket as always. I think prices should be dropped for the games to non season ticket holders. Our crowds are still high compared to other league 2 clubs and not by hundreds but by thousands. pusb

oldskyblue58 · Oct 23, 2017

Is this an imposed extra £5 or voluntary?

Some of that 7000 are free tickets or concessions and £5 would possibly put some off

By the time you take out the VAT and the cost of administration and assuming 100% take up then you are looking at below £175k extra for those 6 matches. Of which you can under SCMP spend 55%? That means at best £96k gets to MR to spend

Its an idea but not sure it works the way you envisage

Personally I wouldn't be keen. Our budget is already bigger than most and with add ons from player sales etc should be more than enough to get out of this division.

fatso · Oct 23, 2017

The problem is we need a striker, and I wouldn't trust Robbins to buy a striker.

Nick · Oct 23, 2017

Could I pay more to not have to sit near people who don't seem to know what they are talking about?

Otis · Oct 23, 2017

Nick said:
Could I pay more to not have to sit near people who don't seem to know what they are talking about?

You'd be hard pressed.

When they went down to 10 men lots of City fans were screaming for us to just get it forwards, but we were doing exactly the right thing, passing it around, probing and trying to find gaps.

Just lumping it forwards would have done absolutely no good whatsoever as they still had their giant centre backs moping everything up.

When a team goes down to 10 you try to break them down and make the extra man count, not just go lumping it forwards.

You try telling that though to most of the people sitting round by me.

Nick · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
You'd be hard pressed.

When they went down to 10 men lots of City fans were screaming for us to just get it forwards, but we were doing exactly the right thing, passing it around, probing and trying to find gaps.

Just lumping it forwards would have done absolutely no good whatsoever as they still had their giant centre backs moping everything up.

When a team goes down to 10 you try to break them down and make the extra man count, not just go lumping it forwards.

You try telling that though to most of the people sitting round by me.

It's the Ponticelli stuff that baffles me, like he was suddenly going to start out jumping their big defenders or take on every player and put it top corner.

Robins needs to work on the system and the players he has.

Otis · Oct 23, 2017

Nick said:
It's the Ponticelli stuff that baffles me, like he was suddenly going to start out jumping their big defenders or take on every player and put it top corner.

Robins needs to work on the system and the players he has.

Personally, I would have swapped McNulty for Pontichelli, bringing the lad on the moment they went down to 10 men.

You would then be taking one player off badly out of any goalscoring form and one on full of energy and confidence.

We still needed to work the ball properly though to create the opportunities.

ccfchoi87 · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
You'd be hard pressed.

When they went down to 10 men lots of City fans were screaming for us to just get it forwards, but we were doing exactly the right thing, passing it around, probing and trying to find gaps.

Just lumping it forwards would have done absolutely no good whatsoever as they still had their giant centre backs moping everything up.

When a team goes down to 10 you try to break them down and make the extra man count, not just go lumping it forwards.

You try telling that though to most of the people sitting round by me.

You could argue that it is the right thing but when we did that for 3 games and nothing has changed when does it stop becoming right? What is it they say about trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results? In the last 15 minutes on Tuesday when we were one down would it have hurt to throw McDonald up there and go long? You may think it's wrong but what we were doing was not working

oakey · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
You'd be hard pressed.

When they went down to 10 men lots of City fans were screaming for us to just get it forwards, but we were doing exactly the right thing, passing it around, probing and trying to find gaps.

Just lumping it forwards would have done absolutely no good whatsoever as they still had their giant centre backs moping everything up.

When a team goes down to 10 you try to break them down and make the extra man count, not just go lumping it forwards.

You try telling that though to most of the people sitting round by me.

I think we need to differentiate here. "Get forward" or "Forward" can mean players not the ball.
Even when they went down to 10 and we had the ball they often had 9 players behind the ball and we had only 4 or 5. At that point I was shouting, "get forward" meaning players not hoofing the ball. The simple fact is when we lost JJ we only had Haynes who was willing to run with the ball. It is very difficult to pass a ball around a wall of 9 defenders unless you do so with pace and precision. We needed players making intelligent runs and teammates with the vision and precision to pick them out.

Otis · Oct 23, 2017

oakey said:
I think we need to differentiate here. "Get forward" or "Forward" can mean players not the ball.
Even when they went down to 10 and we had the ball they often had 9 players behind the ball and we had only 4 or 5. At that point I was shouting, "get forward" meaning players not hoofing the ball. The simple fact is when we lost JJ we only had Haynes who was willing to run with the ball. It is very difficult to pass a ball around a wall of 9 defenders unless you do so with pace and precision. We needed players making intelligent runs and teammates with the vision and precision to pick them out.

People round me were definitely talking about getting IT forwards. They wanted the ball forwards.

We played in the correct manner when they went a man down . Our application though was poor. You pass the ball around and probe and we were doing that, but just weren't getting the ball into the right areas when we got near their box.

What I am talking about was when we had the ball in the middle of the park and were switching it left to right and back again trying to take advantage of the gaps.

'Getting it forwards' at that point would have had to meant lumping it long.

Nick · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
People round me were definitely talking about getting IT forwards. They wanted the ball forwards.

We played in the correct manner when they went a man down . Our application though was poor. You pass the ball around and probe and we were doing that, but just weren't getting the ball into the right areas when we got near their box.

What I am talking about was when we had the ball in the middle of the park and were switching it left to right and back again trying to take advantage of the gaps.

'Getting it forwards' at that point would have had to meant lumping it long.

It depends if you meant the players did, the system was certainly wrong when they went down to 10. As soon as Robins didn't do anything the ref should have just blown for full time.

Otis · Oct 23, 2017

Nick said:
It depends if you meant the players did, the system was certainly wrong when they went down to 10. As soon as Robins didn't do anything the ref should have just blown for full time.

We did keep switching the play from wing to wing trying to take advantage of gaps, so that was the right thing to do, but we then just didn't get the ball into the dangerous areas once we got closer to the box.

Nick · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
We did keep switching the play from wing to wing trying to take advantage of gaps, so that was the right thing to do, but we then just didn't get the ball into the dangerous areas once we got closer to the box.

We were outnumbered at the back with no passes to pick out, they had bigger defenders so it nulled that. We would have needed Kevin De Bruyne to try and slot a pass through to open them up the way they had 9 behind the ball.

wingy · Oct 23, 2017

Nick said:
Could I pay more to not have to sit near people who don't seem to know what they are talking about?

Why don't you just tell em, like on here?

Nick · Oct 23, 2017

wingy said:
Why don't you just tell em, like on here?

I tried once to tell the bloke next to me, it fried his brain.

Otis · Oct 23, 2017

Nick said:
We were outnumbered at the back with no passes to pick out, they had bigger defenders so it nulled that. We would have needed Kevin De Bruyne to try and slot a pass through to open them up the way they had 9 behind the ball.

Didn't say it was easy, but that's what happens. Opposition pile everyone back and you have to try and pass it round to create an opening.

chiefdave · Oct 23, 2017

Nick said:
Could I pay more to not have to sit near people who don't seem to know what they are talking about?

You have to go in the Higgs stand for that.

Ashdown · Oct 23, 2017

Decent teams play it through the middle to a holding striker..................we haven't got one and resort to that old English chestnut of going down the wings and pumping the ball in to an area where there are a stack more defenders than attackers, hence the ease with which they can defend against us.

chiefdave · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
People round me were definitely talking about getting IT forwards. They wanted the ball forwards.

And then when the ball goes forward and it doesn't come off 'what did you do that for'.

Nick · Oct 23, 2017

chiefdave said:
You have to go in the Higgs stand for that.

I think I might apply to be a ball boy or sit in there to get the ball.

Otis · Oct 23, 2017

Ashdown said:
Decent teams play it through the middle to a holding striker..................we haven't got one and resort to that old English chestnut of going down the wings and pumping the ball in to an area where there are a stack more defenders than attackers, hence the ease with which they can defend against us.

You watch Man City playing against 10 men. Watch Arsenal. They pass it across the middle from touchline to touchline trying to stretch the defence and then utilise the extra body.

Yeah, sure, it does also go up to the likes of Aguero, but you have to try and stretch the defence, which is what we were trying to do.

Ashdown · Oct 23, 2017

Otis said:
You watch Man City playing against 10 men. Watch Arsenal. They pass it across the middle from touchline to touchline trying to stretch the defence and then utilise the extra body.

Yeah, sure, it does also go up to the likes of Aguero, but you have to try and stretch the defence, which is what we were trying to do.

You only really stretch a defence though if you can beat a man down the wing, throwing balls in too early is just gambling, plus you need to vary it, an attacking midfielder is what causes real headaches, especially if he's not been tracked.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Oct 23, 2017

As soon as they went down to ten men or even before a extra striker should have been brought on the only decent crosses that were coming in were from Grimmer low and just asking to be hit in by someone coming from the edge of the area nothing is being created in the middle of the park between the 2 holding midfielders and their 18 yard box I really think we must sacrifice one of those and bring Stevenson in to play in that area telling him just to put balls to Nazon to run onto as he seems to be the only forward who is mobile must be easy marking Mc Nulty he never seems to try and lose his marker . Saturday I was one who wanted forward movement the ball was coming in the box there were 2 players in there (well outnumbered) and no one else busting a gut to get in there it's easy to see why our goals against record is good we don't commit enough players forward.

fatso · Oct 23, 2017

To be honest we did create enough chances to win the game comfortably. The strikers we had were devoid of all confidence and at times didn't look like they wanted to make the runs required to get in on goal.
Maybe we should start with kwami Thomas and ponticelli, and push Kelly into a number 10 position.

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