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Would robins Be our greatest ever manager if we were promoted (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Evo1883
  • Start date Apr 23, 2023
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Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #141
Dave Bassett?
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #142
Alan ashman I think is another
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #143
bigfatronssba said:
Did Wimbledon do it with 1 manager?
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Dave bassett
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #144
Actually looking Eddie howe did it with Bournemouth but it wasn't a straight spell , he left then came back .

Let's say the unthinkable happened we would have done it in 6 seasons
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #145
John Toshack with Swansea
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #146
You can't compare the modern era to eras gone by... But here are some managers from 50 years ago to prove Robins is rubbish.

Classic.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #147
bigfatronssba said:
John Toshack with Swansea
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Bill shankley said he was the manager of the century for doing it , in 4 years too

Atm we have 2 in toshak and Bassett
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #148
PVA said:
You can't compare the modern era to eras gone by... But here are some managers from 50 years ago to prove Robins is rubbish.

Classic.
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Eh?!?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #149
Deleted member 5849 said:
Eh?!?
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And he accuses others of not understanding basic comprehension
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #150
Evo1883 said:
Bill shankley said he was the manager of the century for doing it , in 4 years too
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Led them to sixth in their first season in the top flight too, they were challenging for the title for a while. Damn good manager was Toshack.


Also provided entertainment.

He's back: JB, mangler of metaphors

The British know him as John Toshack. The Spanish call him John Benjamin. Whatever his name, he's back - and he's trying to help Real Murcia avoid relegation. Sid Lowe looks at one of football's great mangler of metaphors.
www.theguardian.com
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #151
Deleted member 5849 said:
Led them to sixth in their first season in the top flight too, they were challenging for the title for a while. Damn good manager was Toshack.


Also provided entertainment.

He's back: JB, mangler of metaphors

The British know him as John Toshack. The Spanish call him John Benjamin. Whatever his name, he's back - and he's trying to help Real Murcia avoid relegation. Sid Lowe looks at one of football's great mangler of metaphors.
www.theguardian.com
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I just remember him managing Wales
 
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EalingSB

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #152
Was going to say Graham Turner with Wolves but he won 4th and 3rd division titles in successive seasons but didn’t take them into the top flight.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #153
Alan ashman did but over two spells - can PVA confirm if that counts?
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #154
Deleted member 5849 said:
Eh?!?
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Grendel said it's impossible to compare Robins' achievements against previous eras.

Then lists a load of successful managers from bygone eras to play down Robins' achievements.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2023
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PVA said:
Grendel said it's impossible to compare Robins' achievements against previous eras.

Then lists a load of successful managers from bygone eras to play down Robins' achievements.
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I think you're letting your hatred of him colour this conversation, or are Evo me and bigfatron in on it too?
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #156
Deleted member 5849 said:
I think you're letting your hatred of him colour this conversation, or are Evo me and bigfatron in on it too?
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I don't think you and Evo said you can't compare against previous eras did you?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2023
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PVA said:
I don't think you and Evo said you can't compare against previous eras did you?
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But we're all responding to Evo's question about what managers did it with one club.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #158
Deleted member 5849 said:
I think you're letting your hatred of him colour this conversation, or are Evo me and bigfatron in on it too?
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And Evo raised the question
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #159
Deleted member 5849 said:
But why pick Wycombe? Why not pick the (at least seven) teams who didn't win the title despite having a bigger budget? Why ignore the fact we won a title playing in Birmingham?
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Becuase Wycombe had the smallest budget in the league and got promoted.

I’m not knocking how impressive it was. Considering Sunderland, Ipswich and Portsmouth had bigger budgets - robins was a better manager than they had.

I’m saying it weren’t a miracle as some make out. League one is a surprisingly evenish league

it was a great achievement but to say he wasn’t backed or was completely hamstrung is just wrong - Pressley for instance had to deal with a 10 point deduction and was playing in Northampton with a fanbase totally against the club. At one stage we looked liked we’d gatecrash the top 6 then. That was arguably just as good an achievement
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #160
@PVA does Jimmy Sirrell count - now there is a true legend
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2023
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Graham Taylor of course did it with Watford, then led them to runners up in the top flight, and an FA Cup final.

Not bad.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2023
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Grendel said:
@PVA does Jimmy Sirrell count - now there is a true legend
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The real question is who's the better manager, Mark Robins, Kenny Jackett or Gareth Ainsworth?
 
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Boosh

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #163
PVA said:
The real question is who's the better manager, Mark Robins, Kenny Jackett or Gareth Ainsworth?
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Who’s the better striker Callum Ball or Callum Wilson?
 
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procdoc

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #164
PVA said:
The real question is who's the better manager, Mark Robins, Kenny Jackett or Gareth Ainsworth?
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Ainsworth wears tight trousers on the touch line so I’ll say him
 

Finham

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #165
I'd say he's the 3rd to 5th best. If he takes us to a top half Premier League finish, that will change.
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #166
rob9872 said:
Don't care if he is or isn't just build the statue and get one of George and John too.
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A Mount Rushmore style one behind the Tesco.

Robins, Hill, Curtis, Sillett
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #167
Ian1779 said:
A Mount Rushmore style one behind the Tesco.

Robins, Hill, Curtis, Sillett
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On wheels though, in case we move again!
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #168
Ian1779 said:
A Mount Rushmore style one behind the Tesco.

Robins, Hill, Curtis, Sillett
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Hard to beat George and John. I liked Wee Gordon too
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #169
procdoc said:
Ainsworth wears tight trousers on the touch line so I’ll say him
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Minus points for the cowboy boots though.
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #170
procdoc said:
Ainsworth wears tight trousers on the touch line so I’ll say him
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I like his little beard
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #171
Great_Expectations said:
I like his little beard
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Didn’t realise the trousers were that tight!
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #172
Finham said:
I'd say he's the 3rd to 5th best. If he takes us to a top half Premier League finish, that will change.
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Even after 3 promotions ? Name the 3-5 potentially better
 

Finham

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #173
bigfatronssba said:
No is is disparaging the FA Cup win. Just that it was easier for Sillett to take an established top flight team and win the cup than it was for Robins to take a club on the verge of extinction back to the PL.

The top ten thing is a bit silly. Bobby Gould & Phil Neal were only 1 point off getting us a top ten finish in 1994, but I doubt they will be appearing on any greatest ever managers list. And if we did go on that, it would have to be Noel Cantwell
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We were certainly not "established" in the slightest bit-you must surely know that, we had many Great Escapes! JS & GC saved us from relegation under Mackay and then transformed us not into just FA Cup winners, but a side that challenged for a title not long after (we were 3rd for much of the season). If anything we became established under JS but at no other time during the 80's-90's.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #174
Finham said:
We were certainly not "established" in the slightest bit-you must surely know that, we had many Great Escapes! JS & GC saved us from relegation under Mackay and then transformed us not into just FA Cup winners, but a side that challenged for a title not long after (we were 3rd for much of the season). If anything we became established under JS but at no other time during the 80's-90's.
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It was our 20th season in the top flight
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Apr 23, 2023
  • #175
Finham said:
We were certainly not "established" in the slightest bit-you must surely know that, we had many Great Escapes! JS & GC saved us from relegation under Mackay and then transformed us not into just FA Cup winners, but a side that challenged for a title not long after (we were 3rd for much of the season). If anything we became established under JS but at no other time during the 80's-90's.
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Sorry but a club that had been in the top flight for 20 years is established.
 
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